Atkins Opinions

[Wrangell]

As you are putting words in my mouth, how many months have I been on a low carb diet?

How many kg have I lost ?

The guy did not seem to have a clue how low carb diets work or why carbs are not eaten after 4 p.m.

On that. I'd love to better understand " how low carb diets work "

Earlier you said you......

" shaved off a bucketload of weight by combining vigorous exercise and a caloric deficit diet (high protein, low carb and minimal fats) "​

I was wondering......

- what type of " vigorous exercise " do you do at the gym ? Can you elaborate ?

- when you say " low carb " ...how many caloires / grams a day from carbs would that be ?

- when you say " minimal fats " ...how many caloires / grams a day from " minimal fats " would that be ?

- exactly how many kg did you lose over how many months and how much of that loss came from fat and how much was muscle ? Any idea ?


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[tribal1]

Wrangell you want to hijack an Atkins thread. If you want to know how I have shaved off a bucketload of weight see my first post titled Newbie- lost 4 kg or something similar. I talk about my workouts in there.

 

[tribal1]

I have lost nearly 10 kg to date. In October I lost 4 kg and then when I signed up in November I made the Newbie lost 4 kg thread.

 

[Wrangell]

Wrangell you want to hijack an Atkins thread.

If you want to know how I have shaved off a bucketload of weight see my first post titled Newbie- lost 4 kg or something similar. I talk about my workouts in there.

Huh ? This thread is called " Atkins Opinions " after all.

How is asking someone like yourself - who has been on a version of an Atkins diet and also provided links and references to ' low carb ' diets / ketones on this very thread - in any way " hijacking " ?

If I want to learn more about Atkins / ' low carb ' diets, what better place than on a thread dedicated to discussing aspects of Atkins / ' low carb ' diets such as this one called - of all things - " Atkins Opinions " ?

 

[tribal1]

On that. I'd love to better understand " how low carb diets work "

Earlier you said you......

" shaved off a bucketload of weight by combining vigorous exercise and a caloric deficit diet (high protein, low carb and minimal fats) "​

I was wondering......

- what type of " vigorous exercise " do you do at the gym ? Can you elaborate ?

- when you say " low carb " ...how many caloires / grams a day from carbs would that be ?

- when you say " minimal fats " ...how many caloires / grams a day from " minimal fats " would that be ?

- exactly how many kg did you lose over how many months and how much of that loss came from fat and how much was muscle ? Any idea ?


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Really is that all within the Atkins diet? Me or Atkins?

 

[Wrangell]

Really is that all within the Atkins diet? Me or Atkins?

Atkins of course.

You told us you were on a version of the Atkins diet ( and you also provided some details pertaining to it ) - were you not ?

I'm just asking you for some further details ( see Post #103 / 108 ) of your ' Atkins type ' diet within a training context - nothing more.

 

[ryan04]

I'm not going to read all this stuff... but here's my opinion, as FAR as i've heard atkins is basically a ketogenic diet, it's designed to manipulate hormone balance to induce ketosis although it can work extremely efficiently for some may not work for others at all in addition it has alot of health risks, and I think just controlling insulin with high protien moderate carbs is the best way to go when dieting. again tho I don't know that much about atkins just sounds like a ketogenic diet

 

[Chillen]

I'm not going to read all this stuff... but here's my opinion, as FAR as i've heard atkins is basically a ketogenic diet, it's designed to manipulate hormone balance to induce ketosis although it can work extremely efficiently for some may not work for others at all in addition it has alot of health risks, and I think just controlling insulin with high protien moderate carbs is the best way to go when dieting. again tho I don't know that much about atkins just sounds like a ketogenic diet

After having a rather short discussion with JPfitness, it sort of opened my eyes a bid wider, and though I was doing this very thing, I have a better view on how effective (when we are speaking in terms of removing the last portion of body fat and tweaking leaness abit further):

a combination of a deficit diet--and--a low carb (with high protein/fats ratios) can be, and if done in the short term, I dont believe it to have lasting and long range health effects--for most.


Best wishes to ALL!


Chillen

 

[tribal1]

The unlimited meat+fats approach of the atkins leaves alot to be desired. Imagine if you ate 5000 calories of meat,eggs and fats a day and claimed to be eating healthily. What is the difference with a guy who does the same at McDonalds (he is not following atkins in McDonalds but the fats,fries and so on add up)?

 

[BikeSwimLaugh]

Looks like you guys are picking it up where you left off....

I'm not impressed with Atkins, never have been. The people I know who've done Atkins look emaciated, scrawny and depleted. Their chest are sunken in, their arms limp, etc. It follows, the body gives up lean muscle.

Other related issues...it's hard on the kidney's to ingest so much protein, prolonged Ketosis is dangerous and they have to watch your bloodwork for keytones and other things. I don't subscribe to gimmicks. Anything worth having in this world is something you usually have to work hard to get.

My "guy" explains that each gram of glycogen requires 3 grams of water to sustain....so when you cut your carbs, the body will purge a lot of water that is no longer needed for the glycogen reserves you no longer have...and so this explains what "water-weight" is on these diets. The thing is, weight can be made of water, muscle, fat, etc....but fat is made of fat.

The thing I'm really uncertain of is this notion of "burning lean muscle".....I don't quite grasp it. Does this mean you actually break-down, consume and eliminate actual muscle-tissue?? Fibers that are otherwise operating are removed & gone....."burned" for fuel or sacrificed to reduce the body's dependence on caloric intake? I suppose it does.

Anyways....I'm subscribed to the notion that we just need to eat a well-rounded & balanced diet of wholesome food. Lean protein, complex carbs, healthy fats, etc. No fried foods, little or no sugar, no nasty fats. Eat smaller meals, exercise and everything falls into place. Fad diets are just calorie-reduction disguised as some strange formula or magic process. I dunno.