Atkins Opinions

Wow--definitely got some conversation going here!

I understand that in order for the weight loos to be permanent, I need to re-learn how to eat properly. Since I have ao many extra pounds, would there be any harm in "tricking" by body for say, the first 50, and then slowing down and learning all the right stuff for the last 50-70?

I thought, when I embarked on my weight loss joruney, that the pounds would "fall off" at the beginning just because there were so many of them. However, my body is "recomping", which is great, but I have only lost a pound or two in 3-1/2 weeks of working out (cardio, weights) 4-5 days per week. I journal what I eat so I know there is a calorie deficit.

I am eager to see progress on the scale!!


Here's the problem with Atkins and any other diet: someone made it, but it isn't you.

In other words, the diets given by Atkins and so fort will work in the short term: you will lose weight. Surprise why so many people try it and it works and that is why it continues to hit the market.

Now, here's the problem: you regain the weight because you didn't change your liftstyle, you only changed it in the short run.

Now, let me tell you a secret in keeping weight off and maintaining a healthy lifestyle: eat a variety of food, and don't sit down all day.

All you need to do is maintain an active lifestyle, which will burn calories and promote weight loss. Don't stress over "good" food and "bad" food right now. Also, try to be active. Do things you like to do, and continue doing it. If you like walking in the park, do it. Just because you may think it's small, it really isn't. Take this example: I saw a man at the gym who was running on a treadmill like crazy and sweating like crazy. He had it on like 4.0 incline, and running at 9 mph. He stops like 20 times to catch his breath, and it took him nearly 40 minutes (when I got there he was on minute 15, and I just begun my daily 30 minutes run which I love to do). He said he burnt 700 calories doing that and I asked how many times he does it in a week. He said this is his first time and he's going to continue doing it despite the fact he looked like he was about to die. Guess what? I never seen him again, and imagine this, if he just ran for 10 minutes a day, for 7 days burning around 150-200 calories, he would have burnt more calories than that one day he burnt the 700. So basically, remember, exercise is about doing things you like, and not doing it "hardcore, give it all or nothing."

As for diet, just remember, eat different types of food. If you follow a simple rule: eat in moderation and eat all types of different food, you'll find that you'll eat less than you are eating right now and on top of that you'll naturally select healthier food because they'll fill you up. Listen to your body is the key here. Different food insures you get all the proper marconutritions, and micronutritions. Drink plenty of water, and if you like soda, restrict it slowly and you'll begin to naturally drink more water.

Common pitfalls (reasons why people "give up"):
* They set unrealistic goals: I will lose x pounds in y days, then when that day comes, they say they're a failure and give up. Remember, it took you a long time to get where you are today. It is hard to lose weight... but it is even harder to lose it when you set unrealistic goals. As a matter of fact, I recommend not worrying about your weight at all... and just focus your mind on your nutritional and physical health... weight will naturally come off. Weight, while an ideal thing to keep track of, is in no way a determination of of your overall health.
* Diets (such as Atkinds, Slimfast, etc). Eat food you want to eat, not food others tell you to eat. The more you try to resist the food you want to eat, the harder it becomes to resist it. Eventually you'll just be on a binge craze and eat everything because you "blown" the diet you were on. Remember... no single food makes you fat... no single day of overeating makes you fat... it's about the nutritional choices you make in the long run.
* Doing things they hate. The “all or nothing” mentality. One day at the gym, I saw this woman hanging off the pull up bars screaming in pain. My thoughts were, "Why the heck is that woman doing that if it hurts?" Guess what... I never see her again. Who the heck wants to go to the gym if all they're doing is things they hate? Remember, find stuff you like to do, and keep doing it. Even if it's small, it can go a long way on a week by week basis. For example, walking 30 minutes can burn probably 50-150 calories, times that by 7 days, and you just burnt a lot of calories doing something you like to do. Remember... do things you like to do and continue doing. Don't listen to people saying things like "But that doesn't burn enough calories." Just remember, being active can go a long way even if the activity is "small.. Also remember... exercise doesn't have to occur at the gym in order for it to count!... you can take a walk after dinner; you can clean the house; you can do some garden work; you can take the dog for a run or play at the park; you can walk up the stairs at work instead of taking the elvator; you can swim at the beach; It doesn't have to be at the gym to count!
 
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Anyone here have opinions about the Atkins or other low-carb diet? I have 100 or so pounds to lose, and though I know that learning to eat properly for all time is important, I am tempted to follow this diet for about six weeks to lose weight quickly, in combination with my exercise regimen.

I have followed Atkins before with good results, but never in combination with exercise. Since the road is so long with the huge amount of weight I have to lose, I thought I might be able to shorten the road a little this way.

Any thoughts?


To the OP's question.

I did try a Low-carb approach when I was having some difficulty losing a small portion of fat that "fit within my goals" when I got at about 10% body fat and wanted to drop to approximately 8%. And, it provided the results I wanted in about 3 weeks. Personally, I dont like low carb diets (for many personal reasons, but just cause I dont like it doesnt mean I wont give it a shot "necessarily").


Other than this rather "brief" period, I just performed a mere "traditional" approach to losing fat: (traditional in my opinion, with some personal tweaks I have wrote about many times before)

1. Calorie deficits and tracking calories in excel, 2. Writing down what I ate and what time I ate it, and tracking nutrient percents, 3. Watching body feed back and progress, and just working hard in the gym and adjusting dependent the feed back.

I really dont need a low carb diet to lose the "bulk" of body fat. It was the last portion that got extremely difficult, and after battling it for about 3 months (the last couple of percent), and trying different things with diet deficit v exercise ratio, I gave it a shot.

It is "possible" I may have "overlooked" a more traditional approach during my 3 month struggle, and another "method" could have worked, but when I tried the low carb diet it worked, and provided the personal results I wanted. Why look any further? Makes sense to me. Currently, I am in a traditional deficit diet and training routine to lose body fat (or leaning down). I will remain here and not change "anything" as long as I obtain the fat loss and results I personally seek. However, if fat loss slows, and I hit a difficult spot (comparable to last time), it just makes sense to try the low-carb approach that worked before. If not, then on to something else. Common sense I believe.


During the low carb diet, I still tracked what I ate etc (as stated previously), but I didnt track the percents of protein and fats. I tended to eat more chicken and Tuna, and from looking at the notebook today and the calories injested, it was a rather HIGH protein intake. (hence another reason I dont like it, and yes, probably could have lowered this by increasing fats....but this is how it turned out at the time)


Best wishes to you!



Chillen
 
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Ditto !

We're all waiting Tribal.;)
Don't ya know me by now. I don't want to hijack the OP's thread an in any event I made a rule not to divulge any of my personal info. A low fat diet is achieved for example by selecting lean potions of meat, eating more tuna and salmon rather than red meat, cutting out foods with saturated fats (I was given a list), selecting the low fat alternatives for stuff like Mayo etc

Dallen your extreme examples are mind-boggling not to say the least. Example - Wow that means bananas must be dangerous huh?

'Nuff said.
 
I did not intend to fool anyone. Anyone who has been to see their doctor with a weight/cholestrol problem affecting millions worldwide is/or should be given proper information to deal with the problem. I'm not a kid to post line by line what I eat for the amusement of people on the internet. I don't believe in posting personal info on the shark infested internet (go to my original I've lost 4 kg post to find out if in doubt).

To the OP - keep plugging away. Don't give up.
 
Don't ya know me by now. I don't want to hijack the OP's thread an in any event I made a rule not to divulge any of my personal info.

A low fat diet is achieved for example by selecting lean potions of meat, eating more tuna and salmon rather than red meat, cutting out foods with saturated fats (I was given a list), selecting the low fat alternatives for stuff like Mayo etc

I'm not asking you to DIVULGE any overly ' sensitive ' personal information for crying out loud....just the macronutrient breakdown of your daily calories.

I simply asked you 4 ' simple ' questions elaborating about the " high protein, low carb and minimal fats " nutrition regimen you said you undertook. Namely, those 4 questions were,


- how many daily calories you consumed each day under this diet

- what % of those daily calories cam from carbs

- what % of those daily calories cam from fat

- what % of those daily calories cam from protein


...which represent some very basic details of any given diet.

That said, if sharing benign information like something as basic the macronutrient details of a diet is akin to ' crossing the line ' in terms of " divulging any personal info " in your view, then why you must think the following info you provided doesn't represent divulging personal info is beyond me.......


" I started dieting was because my cholestrol level was borderline high (not to mention my weight) "

" i will walk into my G.P be measured and I will have lost 10 kg since my last measurement on their scales "

" started dieting and got retested the doctor was surprised "

" I have followed my own variation of the atkins diet "

" If I'm to have any carb its never after 4 p.m. "
 
I did try a Low-carb approach when I was having some difficulty losing a small portion of fat that "fit within my goals" when I got at about 10% body fat and wanted to drop to approximately 8%. And, it provided the results I wanted in about 3 weeks. Personally, I dont like low carb diets (for many personal reasons, but just cause I dont like it doesnt mean I wont give it a shot necessarily").

For the benefit of the OP - when you used a " low carb approach " to get from 10% bf to 8% bf - perhaps you can share with the OP exactly what you mean by a " Low-carb approach " in your personal situation.

For example, to help the OP put the concept of ' low carb ' in the proper context, why not tell the OP how many total calories you consumed ( on average ) each day during those 3 weeks and what % of those total calories came from carbs during those 3 weeks you embraced a ' low carb ' approach.

Other than this rather "brief" period, I just performed a mere "traditional" approach to losing fat: (traditional in my opinion, with some personal tweaks I have wrote about many times before)

1. Calorie deficits and tracking calories in excel, 2. Writing down what I ate and what time I ate it, and tracking nutrient percents, 3. Watching body feed back and progress, and just working hard in the gym and adjusting dependent the feed back.

You say you track calories, track what you ate and you track nutrient percents when you are NOT on a ' low carb ' diet

I'm curious, during your 3 weeks of your ' low carb ' dieting, what would you 'guess ' was your general % intake of the 3 basic macronutrients ? Namely.....

- % from carbs ?
- % from fat ?
- % from protein ?​

...what would your best guess be ?


I really dont need a low carb diet to lose the "bulk" of body fat. It was the last portion that got extremely difficult, and after battling it for about 3 months (the last couple of percent), and trying different things with diet deficit v exercise ratio, I gave it a shot.

It seems to got to 8% from 10% within 3 weeks using this 3 week ' low carb ' approach.

What did you do after the 3 weeks of ' low carb ' were over in terms of diet and how much fat did you gain back - if any - in the 3 months AFTER your 3 weeks of ' low carb ' dieting ?


During the low carb diet, I still tracked what I ate etc (as stated previously), but I didnt track the percents of protein and fats. I tended to eat more chicken and Tuna, and from looking at the notebook today and the calories injested, it was a rather HIGH protein intake. (hence another reason I dont like it, and yes, probably could have lowered this by increasing fats....but this is how it turned out at the time)Chillen

Still puzzled as to why not wouldn't track nutrient % if you were already tracking total calories each day during those 3 weeks ?

You'd said above that you in fact track percents of protein and fats for the other 53 weeks of the year....why would you not track if for those 3 weeks while on a ' low carb ' diet ?

For example, isn't the amount of fat / saturated fat as a % of daily calories during those 3 weeks something you'd want to keep tabs on ? Are you saying you had no clue what % of your calories came from fat and protein during those 3 weeks ?
 
Greenhorn Gal -

I have a personal policy about diets - stay away from the ones that have a name. Why? Because, if they have a name, they came from a book - one that someone wrote in order to make money. They are never permanent changes to your life (as much as everyone loves to call their diet a "lifestyle change" - we all know it isn't).

People don't fail at diets - diets fail people.

What does that leave? ---- changing how you eat - permanently.
(Read LVs grocery list / sign up with FitDay (it's free) / and read the nutritional stickies and read, read, read)

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and please, for the love of Pete - don't try stuff based on someone's personal experience.

I know it sounds basic enough (Bob did XX and lost 50 pounds, I should do XX also). But the thing is, just b/c someone lost wt, doesn't mean they lost it well. They may have slowed down their metabolism (setting themselves up for rebound wt gain), deprived their body of needed nutrients, they may have lost lots of water and muscle w/ a small percentage coming from fat loss.

So, just b/c Bob lost 50 pounds eating nothing but 1400 calories worth of M&M's everyday - doesn't mean you should do the same.
 
Maybe I'm way off the mark here - but maybe the reason Sara (Derwyddon) isn't posting lots of links to stuff on the internet is b/c her information doesn't come from the internet - it comes from college professors/textbooks and certification materials.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Sara.
 
Yes. Sometimes its hard to quote my own laboratory work, my professors discussions, or 5 years of anatomy classes when I don't have reports and such at my fingertips. However, I have faith that if I stay steady the people really interested in bettering themselves will see the information for what it is and make their own educated decisions.

Heh, if you mean who is more credible you or Tribal.....

Well, yeah, no contest... heh.
 
Greenhorn Gal -

I have a personal policy about diets - stay away from the ones that have a name. Why? Because, if they have a name, they came from a book - one that someone wrote in order to make money. They are never permanent changes to your life (as much as everyone loves to call their diet a "lifestyle change" - we all know it isn't).

That's your personal policy but people don't write diets to make money. If you read of Atkins tribulations money was the last thing on his mind. If you also bothered to read the criticism of the Atkins diet then your comments might appear less ignorant and on topic.

deschain said:
People don't fail at diets - diets fail people.
So when your Doctor tells you to go on a diet because of heart disease, cholestrol, high blood pressure he/she is losing their mind? This is one one the dangers of taking advice from the internet.


deschain said:
I know it sounds basic enough (Bob did XX and lost 50 pounds, I should do XX also). But the thing is, just b/c someone lost wt, doesn't mean they lost it well. They may have slowed down their metabolism (setting themselves up for rebound wt gain), deprived their body of needed nutrients, they may have lost lots of water and muscle w/ a small percentage coming from fat loss.

So, just b/c Bob lost 50 pounds eating nothing but 1400 calories worth of M&M's everyday - doesn't mean you should do the same.
Did you read the bananas are dangerous because of the extreme link I posted? Who here asked the OP to eat 1400 calories of M&M's?
 
That's your personal policy but people don't write diets to make money. If you read of Atkins tribulations money was the last thing on his mind. If you also bothered to read the criticism of the Atkins diet then your comments might appear less ignorant and on topic.

Getting back on topic to speaking of Atkins.

Earlier in the thread you said..." I have followed my own variation of the atkins diet ".

And in one reference to carbs , you said " If I'm to have any carb its never after 4 p.m. "


- curious ; what is your ' rationale ' for NEVER having " any carb " after 4:00 p.m. ?

- for example, what are the potential implications ( if any, in your view ) of having carbs at, let's say, 7:00 p.m. and or 10:00 p.m. ?


Welcome your thoughts ?
 
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Wrangell, you say we are back on topic with Atkins and you have never heard of the no carbs after 4 p.m? Just seach the internet for no carbs after 4 or 5 p.m or something similar to see the rationale or how it works.

To some of you who have never heard of the atkins diet and its variations it has been featured heavily in the press and some of its supporters include celebs. Its criticisms are also well known and if you are reading an article on the BBC or the CNN they should lists its merits and demerits.
 
Why Derwyddon are you quitting? You have never heard of no carbs after 4 p.m in many of the high protein diets? My, my and I was just addressing Wrangell on the importance of not going off-topic.
 
Personally I have followed my own variation of the atkins diet as the high-fat high-protein approach of the original diet leave the body unable to distinguish between the fats you are consuming and the body fat to burn.

I have shaved off a bucketload of weight by combining vigorous exercise and a caloric deficit diet (high protein, low carb and minimal fats) with multivitamins and fish oil supps. I can count on one hand the number of times i have had a bowl of rice, noodles or pasta though I have bread/cereals in the morning. If I'm to have any carb its never after 4 p.m.

Here's a quote for you since you have trouble following things.
 
This is hilarious :rofl:
 
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