This is the time

I have posted too much already today so I will keep yesterday's food simple, but I think I need to post what I ate during the evening to make it clear what I'm talking about.

I had a normal breakfast, a normal lunch. A couple of sweet snacks during the afternoon and a binge for about 6 hours during the evening starting at around 6:00. I'm not quite sure of the amounts, but I ate at least this much.

2 petit fours. 8 icecream bars. 4 chocolate truffles. 6 mini chocolate bars. A small block of chocolate. 2 lean pork chops. A little salad. Enough to gain a legitimate pound of fat in one evening. No water retention, salt or bloating required.

Why did I do it? Well I have some ideas, yet I'm not altogether sure. The most important thing is to be able to prevent it recurring. Today was fine. In fact I feel totally stuffed now and can't imagine wanting to eat more. I guess this is partly because I'm not over all the food I ate yesterday though.

Monday 14 January 2008

Breakfast: 10:00 Toast (70-80) with 2 grilled mushrooms.(4) A boiled egg.(70) Weetbix (107) with soy milk (122) and ½ C tinned peaches (50). C coffee with a little hilo milk. (5) Breakfast - 440 calories.

I did forget the 1st snack, but I did eat lunch as soon as I felt hungry.

Lunch: 2:00. 6 wholemeal Vive crackers (158). 100 gm low fat cottage cheese (91) with a mushroom (2) and ¼ cucumber (5). I forgot the fruit. Lunch – 256 calories.

Snack 6:00 2 Vive crackers (50) and a carrot (40).

Dinner: 8:30pm A big salad with 180 gm salmon (314), 425 gm asparagus (80), 125 gm each of tinned corn and tinned 4 bean mix( ~ 200 combined). A tomato (15), ¼ zucchini(8), ½ capsicum (15). 200 gm diet apricot yoghurt (82). Dinner – 714 calories.

Snack: 11:00 Large peach. (55) A really gorgeous peach. I have been buying them just one at a time and choosing that one very carefully. I'm getting very good at it!!

Calories for Monday: 1550

Exercise: 20 minutes with husband and dog in the bush - gentle pace.
45 minutes - Local walk with the dog. Reasonable pace. 4.4 km I think.
 
Tuesday 14 January 2008

Breakfast: 9:30 Toast (70-80) with plum and cinnamon jam.(9) A boiled egg (70) and 2 fresh mushrooms (4). Weetbix (107) with soy milk (122) and ½ C tinned peaches (50). C coffee with a little hilo milk. (5) Breakfast - 449 calories.

Lunch: 12:30. 6 wholemeal Vive crackers (158). 100 gm low fat cottage cheese (91) with a tomato (30). Donut peach (30). Lunch –309 calories.

Snack 6:00 2 Vive crackers (50) and a carrot (40).

Dinner: 8:00pm 210gm (uncooked weight) grilled lean lamb (273). 2 slices (total 75 gm) wholemeal bread (175).3 grilled mushrooms (10) 10 snow peas (10), a carrot (40) a capsicum (30). 200 gm diet apricot yoghurt (82). Dinner – 610 calories.

total so far - 1458

I plan on having a nectarine later. So I should get a total of around 1500. I'm not hungry now, though I plan to read and to watch tv so I guess the nibblies might attack. I have plenty of diet cool drink though and I think that will do me.

I'm definitely more interested in eating crap today than I was yesterday, but whenever I've been so recently reminded of how it can send me off the rails I find it much easier to resist.

Adding up the calories the last couple of days makes me aware that for the week before last, my calories must have been pretty low - I know I wasn't snacking, and I was eating maybe 300 calories less carbs, plus less protein than in these 1500 cal days. I was looking to keep things low, not worrying about if they were too low because I knew it would be temporary. It was easy to do for about a week. Then I increased things back to about 1500 and added even more if I was hungry. I seriously don't know if that was a good plan for me then. I suppose if I'm trying to eat roughly like this for years to come then I will have plenty of time to refine something that basically works.

No exercise today. Not intentionally. I just didn't make it a big enough issue in my mind I guess, so I got to the end of the daylight and suddenly realized I had been busy all day and hadn't done it.

Various things lately have kept me feeling rather sad. Well I hardly like that! But I'm glad to find myself having a couple of days of eating well despite it.
 
Thanks Cannon. :)


I don't know how useful the analysis is sometimes. Learning from my mistakes or just looking backwards instead of forwards? Maybe it's just a way of feeling like I have more control - a fightback against having too little? Or maybe it's actually a way of having more control.

Maybe it's just what I can't help doing because I'm me.

It is a fact, that thinking about what's going on for me, and writing that down, seems to be helpful for me in controlling my eating. All by itself. I have actually seen psychologists to get help with weight loss twice. The first time was long ago and I just wanted him to hypnotize me. It did help a bit temporarily. It probably helped more as one more practice in guided relaxation!!

Anyway, the next time was not so long ago. About 2 years back. After I had made an appointment to see him, I thought I'd better get my ideas organized so I knew what I was on about and didn't waste my time there. (Legacy of too many specialist doctor's visits). So I wrote and wrote - and I don't have much interest in eating while I write. By the time I had finished writing, I felt fine. I just stopped eating crap, no trouble. And I had to wait a week or two for the appointment. Ate beautifully the whole time. I had nothing to properly talk to him about. Nothing to practice properly before the next visit, nothing much to talk about then either. We ended up talking more about dietician issues that I didn't think I wanted to trust him on anyway. :D

Having done that though, I know what I need to focus on now, is how to do it right today and tomorrow. :D

Well, when tomorrow is today, I will need to focus on today. Actually it's after 11 pm here now. And you know I really don't want to be bothered eating the last snack. So maybe it's the current today I have to pay attention to.

That Kathleen DesMaisons I mentioned actually thinks is helps produce more of a hormone that helps control impulses, to have some slow release carbs before bed and with no protein (A potato with the skin on it). Even if that's not true, then perhaps it will have some other dampening effect on whatever non-analytical currents are buzzing around the basement of my brain.
 
i find i tend to eat more and cant stop when im tired or bored. Usuually when im tired. Ive identified why i overeat and when in at risk.

Tell me, would you have eaten all that food if you had to drive up the road and buy it then sit at the checkout then eat it?
If i dont buy junk then i cant overeat it without putting myself to a lot of hassle of getting in the car, driving to the shops, picking it out etc.
I suppose kids help also because they all want some :)
 
i find i tend to eat more and cant stop when im tired ... Usuually when im tired. Ive identified why i overeat and when in at risk.
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In general I do tend to eat more if I'm tired, especially if I've just woken up from a doze but am still tired. I did have an old zombie pattern for eating like that so I try to avoid the circumstance. Also I sort of recognize it enough now that I have a chance of dissociating from it until the impulses have died off. (Probably coffee or sleep will kill them, or a little healthy food and then sleep.)

i find i tend to eat more and cant stop when im tired or bored. ...
I do also feel more like eating badly if I'm bored, and on Sunday I probably was a little bored when I first had a lolly while I was out at a picnic during the afternoon, and that probably contributed to the way the evening ended up. It didn't control anything by itself though. It was one lolly to begin with, then about 6. Then 2 chocolate biscuits.

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Tell me, would you have eaten all that food if you had to drive up the road and buy it then sit at the checkout then eat it?
If i dont buy junk then i cant overeat it without putting myself to a lot of hassle of getting in the car, driving to the shops, picking it out etc.
I suppose kids help also because they all want some :)
I do almost always have all my trigger foods in my house because I don't try to prevent anyone else from eating them. I buy them and I ignore them. If I'm having a hard time I try to buy things that other people like but which are not my personal preference, but that doesn't always matter. The longer I go without them, the less I'm interested.

Last Sunday I did leave home to deliberately buy a lot of what I liked. I hoped my daughter wouldn't want to come and she didn't. I did eat some junk in the carpark so that to an extent, I wouldn't have to deal with the kids wanting some or anyone else thinking about what I was doing.

I had decided on Sunday that I would be relaxed about my eating to try and improve my mood. Also I was trying to stay off the computer. After the picnic, I ate 2 icecreams at home. I started reading, I sat in the comfy chair, and I turned the TV on. That is a whole bunch of associations from way back for me. It's a "switch off, tune out, use my mind to go somewhere else" pattern. I had worked out the icecreams would not be that many extra calories in a whole day. But then it looked like maybe I had eaten things that someone else might want. Also, those ones, weren't the kind I really wanted.

So I drove to the closest shopping centre that is open on the weekend, which has a fancy bakery and cake shop. I bought the 2 petit fours there. I chose them because I really liked the look of them and because they were small.

Then I went to the specialty chocolate shop. I bought one chocolate. I knew would want more before the evening was over, in fact I thought it could send me out again, so while I was in the supermarket I bought 3 more and a small (150 cal) block. Again I chose only the kinds that I really like a lot and I bought small amounts.

Then in the supermarket instead of buying one of the icecreams I wanted I bought a box of four. That was so that I could have one, and everyone else at home could have one. Then I bought another box of ice creams, so that we would have enough again, and so that I would have back up if I still wanted more icecream. Also I bought a bag of mini chocolate bars ("treat" size), so that there would be chocolate in the house again, and also as back up so that I wouldn't run out before the evening was over.

I've been talking the whole time about "binging" or "bingeing", but the associated issue is craving. I guess I was pretty clear that I didn't want to end up half way through the evening doing further battle with myself. When I binged during the Christmas week I had ended up going to the petrol station at 10:00 at night, which is something other people in my house can observe. Some people talk about cravings that they can satisfy with a little of something. To me a little is more likely to be a spark that starts a craving.

I ate the 2 little cakes and one chocolate in the car, so that I wouldn't have to discuss them with anyone else or buy more for them.

I actually really liked them. Then I ate all the rest of the chocolate because one wasn't enough. I didn't especially enjoy eating that, or anything else I ate that night.

Then I went home and ate the one special icecream. However the kids turned out not to be home, so during the evening I ate 2 more. Also I ate 2-3 of the other ones and a bunch of the mini-chocolate bars. I ate salad because I knew it would soothe my stomach at one stage, and I ate the pork chops because they would normally have been the basis for my meal.

Why would I act like that though?

I understand that it's very strange. I'm sure it's incomprehensible to anyone who's never done it. Even that same night and even before I stopped eating I was already starting again, to think that myself.

I guess when I started eating a little badly I thought maybe I could stop while it was controlled. I knew I hadn't in the past but I keep wondering how much I can tinker with what I'm doing now and still be ok.

I guess also, I deliberately risked the lack of control. I suppose there's something attractive about it. Past a certain point it's unpleasant, and with repetition it's unpleasant. For me, these days, it quite quickly feels truly dangerous in a way I don't want. However, I probably started doing things like this long ago without thinking about the consequences, and sometimes I retrigger the pattern in myself. When I started thinking about this again afterwards, I figured that for me there is something attractive about lack of control. Not just the adrenalin charge of danger, it's the release of effort and responsibility and the switching off of the controlling part of the brain. It's like fair ground rides used to be or overwhelming sex. NO binging does NOT feel as good as that, it just has a similar sort of attraction like that. Like drugs or alcohol might feel for some people I suppose. I do remember realizing in the past that I was using it as a kind of rest at the end of the day.

It's just a very temporary kind of rest though because it starts off so many pricking, stabbing demons.

At any rate, there seem to be a lot of things that might lead me towards it. There more of them that are happening at once, the harder it is to stop it before it starts.

However, the things that turn it around for me, are writing and eating properly. The writing fits the avoidance of boredom I guess, but also I suspect the writing fires up the part of my brain that's more thoughtful and controls impulses. I believe the food evens out my hormones. That's how it's been for me.

I like thinking that I have tools like those which can help me turn things around again.

I can't afford to be complacent about them though. It usually takes a 2-3 days that are a bit off, before things are bad enough to be really in my face. I think this is because returning to that sort of food gives a really big buzz initially, so that a little is satisfying - but this dies away quite quickly and it turns into nothing being satisfying. By then I could easily have gained a genuine 1-2 kg. Even one bad day could turn a weight loss week into a weight gain week. Unfortunately there is no reliable way for me to quickly lose the weight again. I say no "reliable" way, because I'm not sure that the ways I know of, to lose it quickly, won't restart the binge pattern.

Kathleen DesMaison's books quite closely describe both the eating problems I have, and how they can be controlled . Maybe by the time I get done with this I will be a 100% convert to her ideas. I hope not, because I would like to be more flexible than that. Still being healthy is the more important issue for me. I also see that some of my behaviours sort of fit with articles like this. . Though I don't see anything there that tells you how to stop, which her books do. She has a website as well, but that just skims her ideas.
 
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Wednesday 15 January 2008

Breakfast: 9:30 Toast (70-80) with plum and cinnamon jam.(9) A boiled egg (70) and 1 fresh tomato (30). Weetbix (107) with soy milk (122) and ½ C tinned peaches (50). C coffee with a little hilo milk. (5)
Breakfast - 475 calories.

1:00 Cappuccino made with hilo milk (70).

1:45 25 gm beef jerky (107).

Lunch: 2:30. 2 slices wholemeal bread (160). 100 gm low fat cottage cheese (91) 1 carrot (40). A handful of sugar snap peas(8). 3 large strawberries (30).
Lunch – 329 calories.

Snack 6:00 2 Vive crackers (50) and diet apricot yoghurt (84).

8:00 1/2 banana (40)

Dinner: 9:20pm 90 gm tinned light tuna with tomato and basil (79), 80 gm tinned red salmon (134) . 72 gm tinned corn (84), 75 gm tinned kidney beans (89), 247 gm tinned asparagus (45) 1 tomato (30), 1/4 cucumber (3), 2 mushrooms (4), 6 sugar snap peas (6). Carrot (40) 1/2 banana (40)
Dinner – 554 calories.

Total for the day - 1710 Higher than the last 2 days because I was caught away from home around lunch time.

Exercise: 8:30 pm 1/2 hour swim.

I had delay after delay getting there which is why it wasn't longer. However, though short, it felt great.

It was really nice to stretch out in the water. Also I finally went in with a nose clip and snorkle, so I had a whole new experience. I liked that too, it was somehow a nice combination of peaceful and focussed. Because I didn't have to make any effort with my breathing I could concentrate more on my movements. It was hot today and my right leg hasn't been great these last few days so swimming was a great finish to the day.
 
that's a seriously tinny dinner :) getting in extra doses of iron :D

sounds like a nice salad though - almost a niscoise salad :)

swimming -i'm so jealous :)
 
That is my instant slack attack healthy dinner. (Well it may be high on sodium if I calculated that I suppose - tinned food can be). I did cook 2 completely different other meals for the others in my family, but I do love the way that these tins turn into a huge pile of yumminess in an instant. Well with a little fresh veges added they do. :)
 
Thursday 16 January 2008

Breakfast: 9:30 Toast (70-80) with plum and cinnamon jam.(9) A boiled egg (70) and 1 fresh amorato tomato (15) 1 mushroom (2). Weetbix (107) with soy milk (122) and ½ C tinned peaches (50). 2 C coffee with a little hilo milk. (5)
Breakfast - 467 calories.

I've started slicing the veges, warming them a little in the microwave and then putting the egg on top of the slices. Yummo. :)

12:00 1 medium banana. (80)

Lunch: 2:00. 6 wholemeal Vive crackers (150) with 100 gm low fat cottage cheese (91) 1/2 lebanese cucumber (5) and a mushroom (2) . 300 gm watermelon (70).
Lunch – 318 calories.

Snack 6:00 2 Vive crackers (50) .

Dinner: 9:00pm 250 gm (raw weight) saddlebacked snapper (220) marinated in limejuice, chilli and coriander, dusted in flour, cooked in about 1 tbspn EVO oil (60), 2 slices wholemeal bread (160), chopped salad of 1 tomato (15), 1 mushroom (2), 1 baby squash (2?), 1/2 capsicum (15), snow peas (6), 1/2 cucumber (5) with some balsimic vinegar (3). 1 carrot (40). 1 diet apricot yoghurt ( 82)
Dinner – 610 calories.

Planned snack. 1 perfect peach. 40


Total for the day - 1565.

I hope there's nothing illusory about my calorie counting. I do keep double checking weights and looking things up. I'm starting to remember the things I eat all the time, at last. Yet that evening meal felt massive. Well perhaps it was. It did send me to sleep!! I expect that once I start teaching again, I'll move more of that food back to day time snacks.

Exercise: None. I wanted to just focus on special chores around home today - hopefully with enough time left for the beach and then a swim. Or at least a swim. I should have known that would never happen. As it was I didn't even get to the chore that's been bugging me most! I was at least hoping the pedometer would support my claim to physical virtue despite this, but between my mistakes (forgot to put it on at first, forgot to start it when I did), and its mistakes (intermittent stopping and skipping :ack2:!!!:rolleyes:), it gave me very little credit! I feel cheerful despite that. Getting a few irritating backlog issues dealt with is always good for that. :)
 
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It's nice to see you keep your calories right in a good spot each day, and everything is so well balanced, you incorporate fish all the time, and for me that is the HARDEST thing to do, however, today I'll open up that can of tuna I have and snack on that for my lunch, along with some light veggie soup. My H HATES the smell of fish, and if I eat it, it has to be hours before he comes home. LOL LOL He's not mean about it, but the smell makes him gag, and well who wants to deal with that right? LOL LOL

Great job keeping up on the swimming. And some days you have to just take time off for house stuff, I always take a least one day a week to do something to my home, I really should take more as I have 3 men living there with me. LOL LOL

Well, I hope your day is a FABULOUS one, enjoy it and stay positive!
Hugs
Kim
 
Well I'm looking forward to a few fab days I hope.

In the morning I leave with my daughter and some friends to go camping for three days. We're on an unpowered site in a caravan park at the mouth of a river a short drive north of here.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that my husband and boy will cope together here - maybe it will actually be easier for them with only each other to take account of.

I have been busy this last day and a half getting ready. I think I am. No doubt this will not be the best of times for eating well. I like to have a big fridge for that! However, my friends are also interested in (mostly) eating well, and we're hoping to do some canoeing and walking, as well as swimming of course. Fine, non-heatwave weather is predicted.

:waving: Seeyou Wednesday!
 
I see your posts are poetic and introspective as usual! I understand what you're saying about binging and the temporary abandon...you've come so far and I know that little incidents like this are only minor pauses in your weight loss journey! Glad you're still swimming, better enjoy the summer while you can!

Spring's on its way here, YAY! :hurray:

Have a great week :)
 
Thanks for the messages, Kim, Brandy and Curvy.

The camping was absolutely gorgeous. I totally loved it. It was the most relaxed I have felt in years I think. We stayed outside pretty much the whole time, and the evenings were a little windy, but basically it was all good.

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The river ........ The sand bar .... The ocean

Weight-wise I didn't do so well. I got tons of exercise swimming and walking, and ate well for two days. Really there was no reason I couldn't have managed three good days except for possibly getting too overconfident or too experimental. Hence it has taken me an extra 10 days to get back to one decent day where I haven't eaten any rubbish, and being me, a few of those days were pretty bad.

So my weight has bounced back up again, and I need to retrace my steps once more. Clearly breaks are bad news for my weight. I really feel like I've done all the thinking/talking required on that topic.

Now I just need to keep on with days like this one. Everytime I thought about eating something too processed/sweetened I just pretty much told myself what I did on the first day I started this thing over a year ago - that I'm not eating that any more and that I don't want to go where it will lead me.

The summer has been great. Very relaxed. School starts again on Monday. Boohoo. Back to rushing and deadlines. I am planning to do an adult tap class at the dance school the girl goes to this year, and bought myself shoes while I was getting her organized yesterday. I instantly felt mega nervous. It's not really about being able to dance - because either I can learn it or not. However the idea of adding another evening commitment into the mix brought on a panicky feeling recalling how crazy the timing can get. Still, just one day of eating properly has calmed me down a lot and has me feeling more confident.

Food was oddly spaced today and I'm not sure what I ate when early on. I tried getting up early. Ugh. Eventually I just went back to bed. I did manage an early morning yesterday though - up to go frog hunting with the girl - I made a cold milk coffee with two spoons of instant in it, gulped it down and off we went. I was fine. I had a decent breakfast after we came in, and the less good eating was due mainly to less resolution, than any other thing. Today... waking up was not so good. I do really have it in my mind again right now as something I want to make happen, so maybe. I have had other attempts at changing my sleep patterns falter on the way I can manage to act asleep even while out of bed for an hour, but ... many things are changeable aren't they?

This is how my signature looks right now.
SW: 96.2 kg (211.6 lb) CW: 70.0 kg (154 lb) GW: 58 kg (127 lb) Lost:26.2 kg (57 lb)
In relation to those numbers I reckon I am probably ~ 73 kg now ~160 lb. Maybe a bit more - maybe 3-4 kg up from what I was just prior to Christmas, and from my lowest weight.

I'm going to quit showing the old siggie for now. In this thread I'm going to start posting my weight in the numbers I think are most accurate - that is the health club scales, which I'll use in the morning.

Food for today Friday 1 February 2008.

Breakfast: 1 slice wholemeal toast with plum and cinnamon jam. One boiled egg. Two weetbix with soy milk and preserved peaches.

"Lunch": 2 large apricots. 4 dates. 25 gm beef jerky.

Dinner: 5 garlic prawns, ~ 160 gm grilled rump. 1/2 tbspn EVO oil. A little wholegrain mustard. 1/2 zucchini, oiled and minted. 1 smashed microwaved potato with skin. ~ 150 gm butter beans. Fresh baby spinach.
3 strawberries. 1 diet apricot yoghurt.
 
Thanks, mal. Yeah the garlic prawns really made the meal. I sometimes just buy a few ready prepared and give them a brief zap in the microwave. As we were having steak I served them on top of it - a very nice combo and I got kudos from my husband for it too, :) though it was very simple to prepare.
 
LOL! I hate to use recipes. I do have quite a few books here from when I was younger and often had people for dinner, plus several recent ones mainly with the word "simple" in the title - like Simply too good to be true (where the recipes are adapted for low calorie consumption), or 15 minute meals.

However, my husband likes to browse through recipes for ideas, as though reading recipes was a kind of recreation. So sometimes I eat food that he's chosen. He does try to think about what's healthy as well as what might taste good. He used to try new things or special things on Friday nights. I've always done the shopping for them, and since I have tried to take over cooking that night I sometimes feel obliged to volunteer to cook them. Those recipes could be from the books, or from our local paper. He has a box full of recipes he's ripped out of the paper. I think the two of us have adapted better now to dealing with them but they used to drive me crazy. Some other cook would go out and pick what was in her own vege garden or available at her own fresh food market and specialty stores, make a combo she liked and write it down, and then (quite likely months later when they weren't even in season), I would be the one out hunting the ingredients in places where they didn't exist and trying to make the food based on instructions instead of inclination. We make it a bit easier on ourselves now.

I have several things I make fairly often that were originally recipes - from Mum, or elsewhere, but mostly I just assemble food. I think I just see what is in the shop, or in the pantry and compare it to what I feel like. I suppose my husband often gives me ideas, because he'll tell me what he's interested in , plus I see what other people put in here and that gives me a bit of a yen for it. I have eaten steak a bit more often lately because of something I saw in Kim's diary a few week's back. Yet to be honest I forget what it was. She might not even have said steak! She might have mentioned mustard or horseradish... Actually I did go looking for horseradish and couldn't find it in the supermarket yesterday though I have a bit of a hankering for it. We also used to eat in restaurants a lot (B4kids), and in those days we would try to recreate things we enjoyed. My husband would do it by looking for a suitable recipe, and I would do it by trying to work out what was in the dish, and putting that in my cooking!

Last night I added a few ideas that probably originally came out of the horrible newspaper recipes, but which I was in no way prepared to hunt down specifically. I don't much like hunting for the pages, and I don't like walking back and forwards in the kitchen trying to remind myself what to do next or how many spoons of whatever, I need! :D

I really don't cook much. It's like the scary part of food preparation when things can end up burnt or dried out or mushy... Plus I have memories of following recipes in an uncomprehending way when I was younger - just like reading one step after another, rather than being focused on the result I was after, and getting bored and distracted and leaving out important ingredients in cakes and things. My family would say "Kerry's very good at salads". :D
 
I have a great horseradish recipe that is just spectacular. I am in college for Culinary Arts, and we made it today in school. If you are interested... I'll give you the recipe. We also made an AMAZING salad with zucchini and tomatoes and olive oil with lemon and dijon mustard. And some great clams casino. yumm yummm yumm.
 
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