Struggling? I can help.

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Hahahaha, funny stuff.

Except for the part where you called me a troll. :p

I don't bait to debate or argue.... unless your definition of troll is different than the norm.
 
I just started coming to forums this year, so what exactly is a troll? Is that someone who starts trouble or says idiotic things just to get a rise out of people? Yup, that would certainly apply to this moron. But what sort of fun would it be around here if we didn't have someone like asshole Chuckroast to get into it with. Internet life would just be dull without some of this kind of drama every once in a while ha ha :).
 
As far as calling someone else a forum troll... come on, mike... "Yo pot, it's the kettle"... not a malicious forum troll, but you troll here almost as much as steve does!
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Actually that 'kettle/pot' comment in that particular thread had no troll value. I sincerely meant it. And a lot of what I said there I meant also. There were a couple comments in that thread that were meant to get a rise out of said person, but that was simply a way of deflecting irrational/emotional banter.

Michael
 
ExercisePhysio said:
There were a couple comments in that thread that were meant to get a rise out of said person, but that was simply a way of deflecting irrational/emotional banter.
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Funny thing is you noted in said thread that you were surprised by my response to you and we should all be polite or something similar when you're admitting here that you were indeed trying to get a rise out of people. I say F U :D.
 
ExercisePhysio said:
Chuckroast:

My internet sense is that you are a troll. And not a very good one at that.

That being said:

1: If it has taken you from the early 90s to now to figure out that you need a caloric deficit to lose weight, you aren't very bright.

Actually, when is was a just a pup I believed that fat people got fat from eating a few extra calories every day over a long period of time. That is waht fat peole were saying so I believed them. When I looked into how metabolism worked I realized that they eat huge amounts of food. Many fat people think they get fat be just eating a little extra or they believe that some mysterious glandular disorder is why they are fat. Sometimes fat people need to be told the obvious. Denial causes them to believe that fat gene thing, the slow metabolism thing, the medication made me fat thing, the diabetes made me fat thing ect ect ect. I know what the exercise and diet gurus ramble on about and even though what they say is true, it is not working for most fat people. The common sense advice of of eat less move more doesn't work on most fat people because most fat people have other issues. If it were as simple as you think it is most fat people would be able to easily lose weight and keep it of but in reality most do not lose weight and the ones that do do not keep it off. If you want to be in denial about that fact set be my guest.

2: Your 'tailored' advice in the last 5 pages of threads comes down to: "If you understand that there needs to be a caloric deficit to lose weight than once you know your TEE for the day, all you need to do is eat below that number. If you aren't, there is a psychological/behavioural issue involved."

I am not giving diet advice. If someone is unable or unwilling to comply with eating food in the correct amounts on a regular basis then they problem is one of behavior. Telling them to eat less and move more is an exercise in fulility. They will often lie or deny the facts concerning their over eating and laziness and they will play the fat gene, slow metabolism, or medication game. It is part of their circular thinking patterns. If they cannot get past the self delusion they will not move more and eat less. They may think they are training like a Trojan and they may think they are eating like a Spartan but in reality their distorted perception allow them to believe thing that are wildly untrue.

Thank you Captain Obvious. However, your blithe statements do not offer how to find your TEE (and your factual assessments of a few people here, especially Blancita, are completely off). You do not suggest meaningful methods to adjust behaviour minus 'just doing it'. You do not delve into nutritional info that allows a caloric deficit to be easier to attain. You don't mention anything about body composition in relation to weight.

Blantica is about to fail. She is making claims that cannot be true. Her metabolic rate has not stalled. Do you think it has? It hasn't. She is on the verge of sabotaging her weight loss.

Nutritional advice can me summed up in one short para graph; eat nutrient dense low calorie food in the correct amounts everyday for the rest of your life. If you do not know what those foods are then google low cal nutrient dense foods.

The idea that certain food help you burn more calories is really rather stupid. There are food that "speed" up your metabolism but speeding up basal metabolism only makes living things die sooner. The diet sellers throw that around like it is gospel truth and they exaggerate the effect of the potions they sell.

If a person is unwilling to eat veggies, fruits, whole grains lean dairy and lean protein then all the nutritional advice on the planet is a waste of time for them. Fat people love to talk about nutrition because it allows them to talk about their favorite subject, food. By giving them recipe ideas and making meal suggestion you will only reinforce the basis of their problem. They need to think less about food and its gratification and more about why they seek that gratification. IMO it is in part neurological. Fat people are very self indulgent. Watch Brookhaven if you doubt that. They full of all sorts of excuses and rationalizations and unless that thinking is confronted they will continue to over eat and be lazy.

Someone on this thread said raw vegetables were nasty. What he should have said is "I need to start liking raw vegetable because they are good for me." Instead he was more concerned about his gormandizing than his health. He needs an attitude adjustment.

My guess? You're an amateur hack who read an article on the internet that really inspired you and you went looking for a forum to share this epiphany and to feel important at the same time. Am I right?

Michael
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Body composition is another load of crap. We are all made out of the same stuff in similar amounts. That sort of stuff is another red herring. In general men store fat in their abdominal region and women store fat in their hips and thighs. All our bone and muscles are in the same place. Somatypes have no bearing on obesity. If you think they do please explain why you think that.
 
ANYONE who claims s/he has all the answers to weight loss and metabolism is practically by definition an idiot. We barely understand the basic mechanics of metabolism, much less the finer points. That's why we all have to listen to the "experts" and then do a considerable amount of experimentation on our own.

But the first indication of someone we should ignore is the person who claims they've got this thing "all figured out."
 
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I don't think you have looked at Blancita's ticker, she is definitely NOT fat. Saying "fat people do things like that" is a sad, and untrue generalization, how can you help people when you are stereotyping them?
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Blancita is playing the "my weight loss has stalled and I don't know way" game. We all know why her weight loss has stalled. She does too. She is eating as much as she is burning. Offering her diet advice would only make her situation worse. If anyone tells her anything it should be, "Blancita you need to eat less and move more" but she already knows that. She is trying to figure out a way in her head that she can deny that reality.

So Blancita, You are eating too much to continue losing weight. You know that and so does everyone else. Stop the game playing and stop it now!

She knows exactly what she need to be doing. She simply is not doing it and now she is playing "help me solve my stalled weight loss mystery".

Fat people like to think that they are unique. They are not. 65% of Americans are simply less disciplined about food than the rest of us. There is no mystery. They refuse to take responsibility for their bodies and as a society we enable them by accommodating them and indulging them in their denial games.
 
you started this thread with the words -struggling -I can help...

but you haven't yet even attempted to help one person...

Cards on the table -what is it that you can offer someone - who is struggling - what advice would you give them? Maybe there is a person struggling but isn't brave enough to step forward and admit it based on how you've treated those who have?

How do you assist someone who's struggling -you're the self proclaimed expert - give some guidance...
 
ChuckRoast said:
Blancita is playing the "my weight loss has stalled and I don't know way" game. We all know why her weight loss has stalled. She does too. She is eating as much as she is burning. Offering her diet advice would only make her situation worse. If anyone tells her anything it should be, "Blancita you need to eat less and move more" but she already knows that. She is trying to figure out a way in her head that she can deny that reality.

So Blancita, You are eating too much to continue losing weight. You know that and so does everyone else. Stop the game playing and stop it now!

She knows exactly what she need to be doing. She simply is not doing it and now she is playing "help me solve my stalled weight loss mystery".

Fat people like to think that they are unique. They are not. 65% of Americans are simply less disciplined about food than the rest of us. There is no mystery. They refuse to take responsibility for their bodies and as a society we enable them by accommodating them and indulging them in their denial games.
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So help her.

I don't get what you are trying to do here.

Or do you think saying, "Stop the game playing and stop it now" is help?

I don't get it? For being all high and mighty when it comes to psychology, you haven't even used basic approaches such as NLP and the like to establish a bit of authority yet.
 
TomO said:
ANYONE who claims s/he has all the answers to weight loss and metabolism is practically by definition an idiot. We barely understand the basic mechanics of metabolism, much less the finer points. That's why we all have to listen to the "experts" and then do a considerable amount of experimentation on our own.

But the first indication of someone we should ignore is the person who claims they've got this thing "all figured out."
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TomO you are in denial. It is as simple as energy in energy out. This will snap you out of your denial. Find one credible source that shows the variance in metabolic rates for people of the same weight, age, height, and gender. Better yet tell ME and the rest of us the percentage of metabolic variance between two individuals of the same age, gender, height and weight. The variance is less than 40 calories per day. Cite one study that gives NUMBERS that disprove that reality.

You are in denial. Snap out of it!
 
ChuckRoast said:
Fat people like to think that they are unique. They are not. 65% of Americans are simply less disciplined about food than the rest of us. There is no mystery. They refuse to take responsibility for their bodies and as a society we enable them by accommodating them and indulging them in their denial games.
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Right. The epidemic of obesity has nothing at all to do with social policy. It has nothing at all to do with farm policy. It has nothing at all to do with the type of food that is served in the schools. It has nothing at all to do with the millions of ads that are shown to children practically from birth. It has nothing at all to do with . . .

Fat people are fat because they are irresponsible.

How profound. How helpful. How prescient.

You should be able to make a good living from this approach. It's so unique.
 
ChuckRoast said:
TomO you are in denial. It is as simple as energy in energy out. This will snap you out of your denial. Find one credible source that shows the variance in metabolic rates for people of the same weight, age, height, and gender. Better yet tell ME and the rest of us the percentage of metabolic variance between two individuals of the same age, gender, height and weight. The variance is less than 40 calories per day. Cite one study that gives NUMBERS that disprove that reality.

You are in denial. Snap out of it!
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Yes, SIR!

Whatever you say, SIR!

Absolutely -- I am in denial. You read me like a book. How amazing, and all that from reading one post in this thread.

Well, at least if you don't make your fortune in the weight loss business, you can go into fortune telling.
 
maleficent said:
I checked yesterday -and it's different...
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Amazing. I never in a million years imagined there would be someone as asinine as Balldez in existence, let alone that we'd cross paths. What's the chances of meeting two such profoundly moronic individuals as this in one lifetime?
 
I "Troll" the forums. I don't intend any real malicious intent (except in the excision of the intentionally daft from the community). "Troll" in this sense was meant as a person who lurks the forums. Not necessarily a mean thing.

And steve, I didn't see any notable doctors cited on that link. Your powers are growing weak, old man.
 
Also, this thread is drawing way too many views. I have posted funny things in other threads too that deserve just as much attention from the forum community.
 
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