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[Blancita]

Seems like there are quite a few people interested in the subject and figured this was a pretty unique viewpoint since no one that I'm aware of on this forum juices and it's very easy to simply fall into line saying "steroids are the worst."

I'm certainly not promoting their use.... but I like to look at any subject fairly, keeping emotions out of it.

Well I do like your openmindedness Steve .

About 7 years ago I dated a guy a few times who told me he had shot up steroids. I was appalled and sort of disgusted because I had always heard how it made your willy really soft ha ha. Its not that I look down on certain drugs per se cuz I'm more like to each his own unless its the really hard stuff, but that stereotype has always been a turnoff. Anyway, he was 6'5" and very handsome and extremely muscular. Very nice and bright too, but he told me how he was feeling the negative effects of steroid use. His muscles were really huge but swollen looking, and he told me the steroids include healthy doses of estrogen and that he had some "problems" if you catch my drift. Honestly I was AFRAID to touch him down there and wouldja believe I never did and I even stayed over his house once. I was just turned off by it, and him telling me it made him have "problems". LOL!

Another guy I went out with a few times admitted he "used to use steroids" after showing me a pic of the widest guy (humongous lats) I'd practically seen who he advised used steroids to get that way. I put two and two together given how big he himself was. I did touch him out of curiousity and [guys who dont want to hear this COVER YOUR EARS PLEASE] this was the WIDEST thing I'd EVER seen. I frankly wondered how it would fit -- that is IF I was actually interested in doing any more with him than a kiss and a quick feel up to see what he was working with (he WAS fine and pretty nice and handsome but I decided I wasn't interested) -- anyway, it was soft and short at the same time that it was so puffy and wide, and I believe it was um aroused. Think the roids grew "it" as well as other muscles or something weird? Ha ha LOL. I was just grossed out and I never hung out with him again . I'm sorry guys, I'm cracking myself up over here reminiscing about this, but Steve did bring it up as a stereotype and since I knew he wouldn't have any first "hand" experience I figured I'd just give some real world examples ha ha.

 

[bikinibound]

Hi,

I'm David. I finally decided to lose my 70 lbs of excess weight. I've used all of the calculamaters and they say I should eat 2000 calories a day. That sounds like a lot! The only thing I eat 2000 of at one time is rice*

They say doing this I should lose 2 lbs a week.
But I am much more motivated than that, plus I want to lose weight much quicker. Here's my plan, I've lost 4 pounds already!:

I only eat 400 calories a day! Plus I do 2 hours of cardio, each morning, and 2 hours of weight training every night. I don't want to join a gym and the only equipment I own is a stress ball and a Suzanne Somers thigh-master (that's good enuf, right?)

I don't cook and I only like fast food, so I eat one McDonalds double cheeseburger extra value meal every day at lunch, but I only eat some of the fries. The rest of the day I eat nothing, but I do drink 5 liters of caffein-free Dr. Diet Pepper. I don't like most (well any) vegetables or fruit. But the cheeseburger has a pickle on it, which I eat (yuck!) so I'm okay, nutrition-wise.

I am having the tiniest problem with constipation...but I hope it will pass.

AM I a glutton, Steve!

David
*RIP Mitch

OMFG!! I was laughing so hard as I read this that I couldn't breathe. I have tears in my eyes. The thighmaster thing really cracked me up.

 

[Blancita]

What about those who are dieting? Well most here would die if they took it, lol. Reason being, most around these parts have the incessant need to step on a stupid square every single day to find out how much water and glycogen has shifted in the acute time period (i.e., they like to weigh themselves a lot).

Not to change the subject dear heart, but your genuine and kind offer to help us gluttons seems to have turned into a general discussion.

Every day our bodies have more or less the same fluids within a few pounds, so you may fluctuate by 2-3 pounds (maybe more if you're heavier, I'm not sure), but the reality is that when the scale hits a **new low** its just that, its meaningful, it means you've lost some fat. Because yesterday you were ranging higher. Yes, you'll assuredly go up from that new low the following day, BUT you will not fluctuate up quite as high as before you dropped that latest pound. So a new low on the scale IMHO is really saying something. The ranges between the new low and your normal fluctuation (mine is 2-3 pounds) are LOWER. And the scale tells you that. And if you only weigh once a week, you may MISS that new low and can, theoretically, just end up weighing on higher fluctuating days. Thereby experiencing discouragent the whole following week til next weigh in.

Just one of many opinions on the ever popular subject of weighing frequency.

 

[bikinibound]

A la fin de l'envoi... Je touche.

I just read what you wrote wrong.

And yes, only performance athletes should do <insert what I say>

C'est vrai? Tu parles francais? Alors, je suis a toi.

 

[Steve]

Well I do like your openmindedness Steve .

About 7 years ago I dated a guy a few times who told me he had shot up steroids. I was appalled and sort of disgusted because I had always heard how it made your willy really soft ha ha. Its not that I look down on certain drugs per se cuz I'm more like to each his own unless its the really hard stuff, but that stereotype has always been a turnoff. Anyway, he was 6'5" and very handsome and extremely muscular. Very nice and bright too, but he told me how he was feeling the negative effects of steroid use. His muscles were really huge but swollen looking, and he told me the steroids include healthy doses of estrogen and that he had some "problems" if you catch my drift. Honestly I was AFRAID to touch him down there and wouldja believe I never did and I even stayed over his house once. I was just turned off by it, and him telling me it made him have "problems". LOL!

Another guy I went out with a few times admitted he "used to use steroids" after showing me a pic of the widest guy (humongous lats) I'd practically seen who he advised used steroids to get that way. I put two and two together given how big he himself was. I did touch him out of curiousity and [guys who dont want to hear this COVER YOUR EARS PLEASE] this was the WIDEST thing I'd EVER seen. I frankly wondered how it would fit -- that is IF I was actually interested in doing any more with him than a kiss and a quick feel up to see what he was working with (he WAS fine and pretty nice and handsome but I decided I wasn't interested) -- anyway, it was soft and short at the same time that it was so puffy and wide, and I believe it was um aroused. Think the roids grew "it" as well as other muscles or something weird? Ha ha LOL. I was just grossed out and I never hung out with him again . I'm sorry guys, I'm cracking myself up over here reminiscing about this, but Steve did bring it up as a stereotype and since I knew he wouldn't have any first "hand" experience I figured I'd just give some real world examples ha ha.

Haha, sounds like you found a guy with a little weewee is all.

Steroids don't shrink the size of your weewee.

 

[Steve]

Not to change the subject dear heart, but your genuine and kind offer to help us gluttons seems to have turned into a general discussion.

Every day our bodies have more or less the same fluids within a few pounds, so you may fluctuate by 2-3 pounds (maybe more if you're heavier, I'm not sure), but the reality is that when the scale hits a **new low** its just that, its meaningful, it means you've lost some fat. Because yesterday you were ranging higher. Yes, you'll assuredly go up from that new low the following day, BUT you will not fluctuate up quite as high as before you dropped that latest pound. So a new low on the scale IMHO is really saying something. The ranges between the new low and your normal fluctuation (mine is 2-3 pounds) are LOWER. And the scale tells you that. And if you only weigh once a week, you may MISS that new low and can, theoretically, just end up weighing on higher fluctuating days. Thereby experiencing discouragent the whole following week til next weigh in.

Just one of many opinions on the ever popular subject of weighing frequency.

That' an interesting viewpoint.

Wrong, but interesting....

Just teasing.

However, if there was a way to quantify disappointment experienced from weighing daily opposed to twice per month.... I'm pretty sure people on average, would be more disappointed with the daily weigh-ins. More 'chronic' perspectives tend to capture the 'truth' more clearly, and if the truth is you've been consistent and structured things appropriately, your weight will show it.

Maybe you're different Claudia (and Kimberly, since we just had a discussion about this), but in my experience, most people who weigh themselves daily are far too psychologically hooked on that stupid number for their own good.

Their mood and state is rooted with some arbitrary fluctuation of liquid. Depending on glycogen stores, weight can move a whole heck of a lot more then 2 lbs in a day.

I'm not saying in all cases it's bad to weigh daily.

I'm saying, in general, based on my experience, it's not a healthy way of being.

Does that mean those here who do it are wrong?

Certainly not.

It simply means that I've met a shit ton of women (and men, but more so women) who would be much happier had they weighed in twice per month and focused their attention on more controllable, yet still motivating factors.

 

[MsGhettoBooty]

About 7 years ago I dated a guy a few times who told me he had shot up steroids. ....
Another guy I went out with a few times admitted he "used to use steroids" after showing me a pic of the widest guy (humongous lats) I'd practically seen who he advised used steroids to get that way. I put two and two together given how big he himself was. I did touch him out of curiousity and [guys who dont want to hear this COVER YOUR EARS PLEASE] this was the WIDEST thing I'd EVER seen. ....Blancita drooling over stunted, wide peckers... yaddah yaddah.. yumm yumm...

OMFG! I can't believe you wrote this! For a minute there, I had to make sure it wasn't Valerie or Kimberly. HAHAHAAA!! And ummm yah, mami....

Roids shrinks your balls to grapes.... pecker wise, you just hooked up with a baby-dicked boy. HA!!!! Love you...

-Sheryl (Ball Busting Extraordinaire)

 

[maleficent]

Steroids don't shrink the size of your weewee.

The "wee wee" (christ we really need to make this an adults only forum so we can use grown up words) is separate from the testicles... (it's been a while, least i think they're seperate parts) I thought i had read that the testicles did get smaller... is that not the case either?

 

[Steve]

Testicular atrophy can be a side-effect.

Let's not forget that not all steroids are the same. It's an extremely broad topic; there are many substances that do different things.

 

[maleficent]

/me makes a note to stop by border's tonite and get that book that caught my attention - this topic is quite fascinating...

 

[Steve]

I'm surprised that it interests you.

What about it intrigues ya?

 

[maleficent]

I'm surprised that it interests you.

I'm not sure how to take that but i'll let it alone..

I've never used any sort of drug, short of aspirin, so the drug culture actually intrigues me -not because I want to do it but the mindset behind it - what makes a person want to do drugs and how they become addicted.

Steroid use is really no different... it's always been my understanding, from the people I've known who've doped in the past, that they used to become bigger, faster, better, and to improve performace, RIGHT NOW regardless of what the cost to their body might be, that mindset fascinates me...

I've always been a person who is thinking 5 steps ahead and people who don't do that - or don't want to do that - are intriguing -because in some ways I'd l ike to be like that and go with the moment - tomorrow be damned but tomorrow doesn't go away it's alway there..

it's just a mindset that fascinates me...

Im also a very competitive person but cheating isn't something I have a l ot of patience for and steroiod use - is cheating - again a mindset that fascinates me -and I don't really care if everyone isdoing it a nd someone is trying to level the playing field -it's still cheating - and again - it's fascinating to me because it's not something I am capable of - and the mindset behind it I want to know more about

 

[Steve]

nice post mal, i completely understand that.....

the fact that so many ppl choose to use steroids doesn't surprise me. it's not like any other drug, imo. it's not about the high, although some seem to get an addictive high from the physical outcomes experienced from use. but it's really about the image or the ability that is enhanced via the drug.

the reason i said i was surprised it interests you is b/c it does not interest me.... at least not the above aspect, simply b/c it's clear to me why people use them.

but the interesting part, i completely agree, is the mindset of 'doing whatever it takes at whatever cost.' i've had many of discussions with my friends that use. they've always said i should 'cross over' b/c i could do some crazy things with my physique. i always rebut by saying, having the biggest, baddest body will mean absolutely nothing to me if it comes along with some sort of chronic heart problem or something of the like. if something so serious would happen to me simply b/c i wanted to enhance my physique, it would ruin me psychologically.

i always think to myself, "if steroids were legal, would i use them?" if there were no ethical issues associated with their use, what would i do?

i honestly don't know. from my current perspective, i'd say i wouldn't... simply b/c of the risks associated. however, i also know how much these risks can be minimized, as well as the side effects, making it a moot point.

yea, i'm rambling...... haha, guess it is a fascinating subject.

 

[maleficent]

I really should have majored in psychology instead of math because the human mind really fascinates the hell out of me and I just love to know the why's of certain behavior.

but the interesting part, i completely agree, is the mindset of 'doing whatever it takes at whatever cost.' i've had many of discussions with my friends that use. they've always said i should 'cross over' b/c i could do some crazy things with my physique. i always rebut by saying, having the biggest, baddest body will mean absolutely nothing to me if it comes along with some sort of chronic heart problem or something of the like. if something so serious would happen to me simply b/c i wanted to enhance my physique, it would ruin me psychologically.

you come across as a fairly ethical person... if there were no health conditions associated with steroids - leaving the legality of it aside (this is where i jump from hardcore republican to libertarian because I don't think any drug should be illegal, and should be taxed and people should be educated about the drug and left to make their own decisions and left to deal wit the consequences of hteir decisions) - is improving your physique wih the use of steroids -cheating?

 

[Steve]

I really should have majored in psychology instead of math because the human mind really fascinates the hell out of me and I just love to know the why's of certain behavior.

I've often thought this myself. I've actually considered going back for this.

you come across as a fairly ethical person... if there were no health conditions associated with steroids - leaving the legality of it aside (this is where i jump from hardcore republican to libertarian because I don't think any drug should be illegal, and should be taxed and people should be educated about the drug and left to make their own decisions and left to deal wit the consequences of hteir decisions) - is improving your physique wih the use of steroids -cheating?

Yea, I've asked myself that question a bunch of times too. In one way, I like to say, "shit, I bust my ass never looking for the easy road... and that says a lot about me. Plus it makes me feel very accomplished."

On the other hand, I think to myself, "steroids simply increase the genetic potential I'm able to display from hard work."

Ya see, I know plenty of guys who've juiced on and off for years. I look better than them. That's fucking pathetic IMO. Streroids alone do not magically make awesome physiques. It still takes a lot of ball-busting work. So if person A is juicing, but working just as hard as me who is not juicing.... is he cheating? did he take a short cut? It's a tough question to answer, since he's living the same life I am, just sticking a needle in his ass at the same time.

 

[maleficent]

Just say no to steroids -look at Arnold now... and what you're gonna want to look like in say - 40 years stay needle free please

 

[Steve]

Oh I'm staying needle free.... trust me. I'm just discussing both sides of the fence.

As an aside, for those of you who haven't seen stuff about myostatin..... now this is some crazy stuff. We all have myostatin in us... which inhibits musclurar development.

Mess around with this by means of inhibiting it, or see mammals born with mutations in the associated genes.... and you've got yourself a muscle bound FREAK. I'm interested to see if/when they find a way to inhibit it in humans via drug. You think Arnold was big, lol.

You may have seen pics of the muscular cows or dogs... and I think I even posted an article months ago about a young boy with a mutation, making him freaky strong.

Very interesting stuff.

 

[maleficent]

holy crap would you look at the 'nads on that bull?

no shrinkage there

I know some people like big butts but that butt on that cow just isn't appealing

 

[Blancita]

Are we talking about the book, Mastering Leptin?

Yes.

I haven't looked at it in detail for a while and since I've looked at it, I've read about 50 things.... so it's tough to recall specifics. But I clearly remember the guy is a terrible 'researcher,' twisting things to meet his criteria. He uses 'deep' material to sway the lay reader into believing he knows that the F- he's talking about.

I'm not sure about the science behind it because I personally am not a scientist. I can only be happy I'm reading the book though because I've lost 4.5 lbs in 1 week and its really killed my appetite and cravings for the time being. Frankly I'm so glad you brought up leptin in another thread that I then found this book after researching it..

But the bottom line is, leptin, albeit an extremely important regulatory mechanism in the body... has turned into just like any other major discovery dealing with metabolism. You have moronic people jumping at and grabbing hold of very complex data and using it to fatten their wallets... without ever fully understanding the actual data.

This guy sells some supplements but he by no means makes it a priority in the book that you need any sort of supplements to fix your leptin problems. Again, I have no way of evaluating the science but everything he has said about how I was feeling before, when, and under what circumstances and now has been on target.

Bottomline being; if you want to learn about leptin or other such complex minutia dealing with the human body, don't buy your book from Borders or the like.

That is an overgeneralization, that any book found at a mass book store couldn't possibly be scientifically accurate or relevant .

A big person dealing with leptin resistance isn't having the same issues as a leaner person dealing with volatile leptin levels.

Why? What sort of issues are larger (and smaller) people dealing with re leptin, if any?

I feel like I've been reverting back to Lyle McDonald a million times in here today.... but when it comes to Leptin, he's the man. He was the guy that really brought it to the public's eye.

I'll check him out.

Straight from his mouth talking about these authors:

Unfortunately Lyle's quotes were lost, but one of them was about how he hadn't even read this guys book but already disagreed with it. I think its hard to judge something without actually looking at it. Also, the way he breaks the book down with 150 recipes is not the book I'm reading, which has no recipes at all.

Look, if it works for you Claudia.... don't let me sway your decisions. I'm no God, that's for damn sure. Just understand that the reasons why it's working may not be why the author says they work. I've seen some straight up retarded recommendations work for people....

1 meal per day
10 meals per day
low cal
high cal
low protein
high protein
low anything
high anything
magic
voodoo

I try not to think in black/white terms ever and I certainly realize that there are going to be times when things I have absolutely no faith in, will work for certain individuals. But I always know that they're working for reasons 99/100 times besides what the diet/guru promotes.

Given that I've tried multitude of things to control my appetite and lose weight, I'm pleased I've found something for now. It could stop working next week and my appetite and hunger and weight could all be back in full force. We shall see. But right now it is absolutely EFFORTLESS not to eat. I'm having to force myself at meal time to eat a lot because I can feel I'm not getting enough calories yet my appetite is DEAD AS A DOOR NAIL

 

[Steve]

I'm happy for you Claudia.