Fit by 60! - TomO's Pledge

I feel the SAME way! I am so suspicious and distrusting when it comes to hrm calories expended readout. I would rather go by how I'm feeling than by whatever the supposed basis of my hrm says. That said, I still want to buy one just because I wish I knew what my heartrate was during cycling.
 
I feel the SAME way! I am so suspicious and distrusting when it comes to hrm calories expended readout. I would rather go by how I'm feeling than by whatever the supposed basis of my hrm says. That said, I still want to buy one just because I wish I knew what my heartrate was during cycling.

Yes, for that they are really useful. Sometimes you think you are working "too hard" and you look at the HR monitor and see that you're only at 80% of max. That tells you that you haven't even started!
 
As a matter of fact, I just did my elliptical. I thought because it actually came with a chest strap heart monitor (which is much more accurate than the hand held HRM), it was accurate and going by the HR showing up on the screen. Well today I wore the watch that came with the Polar HRM that I started using for outside, and the machine was exactly 20% higher. So without a doubt the machines should not be trusted, apparently they go by their own formula and not your HR. The watch thingy was about $60, a very worthwhile investment I believe.

Tom, I've also wondered about the double counting. I believe it definitely does double count. The HRM is literally telling you how much you expended in total, and its not deducting out your NARM calories for sure. On the other hand, many including me believe that exercise increases calorie burn and metabolism for a bit after our work outs, so I believe it sort of works out in the end. But if you're doing a long cardio workout exceeding 2 hours, you may want to start adjusting the numbers a bit downward. A fake deficit helps no one after all! :mad:
 
Yes I agree with the 'thinking you're working too hard' comment. I think I definitely am afraid to really get my heartrate pumping sometimes, like when my heart starts to really hammer, I get a little terrified and cool it off, when probably that's where I should be, to get the most out of the workout. I think I'll ask for it for my bday so I don't have to spend the $ right now.

Do you guys wear your hrms all day long, and if so, can you tell me approx. how many calories it says you burn? If the hrm does take into account your NARM or BMR+Lifestyle, then I'd hope that the readout is somewhat accurate with the exercise so that you don't over/under estimate. It's a little frustrating I suppose if you try to base your food intake around it.
 
Tom, I've also wondered about the double counting. I believe it definitely does double count. The HRM is literally telling you how much you expended in total, and its not deducting out your NARM calories for sure. On the other hand, many including me believe that exercise increases calorie burn and metabolism for a bit after our work outs, so I believe it sort of works out in the end. But if you're doing a long cardio workout exceeding 2 hours, you may want to start adjusting the numbers a bit downward. A fake deficit helps no one after all! :mad:

OMG...you guys are making my head spin! LMAO! I think it's probably still a small part of the bigger picture as long as you are consistent. But the machine (for instance, my treadmill) is tracking my calories based on my weight, speed, and incline....and I have seen people on the treadmill that hold on to the rails while they walk....I on the other hand swing my arms bent, to about chest high and back, and really work them....so am I in fact burning more than the machine calculates? I think so...so I just use the number the machine gives me and go with it...its worked this far for me. :) I don't however count the everyday stuff I do (outside of my norm, though--like the four hours I spent walking around at the Fair on the 4th--I count only my dedicated workouts toward my daily deficit). I could get really OCD about it, but realistically, it would make me batty. :D
 
Yes, for that they are really useful. Sometimes you think you are working "too hard" and you look at the HR monitor and see that you're only at 80% of max. That tells you that you haven't even started!

Interesting discussions here.

As ever. :)

I'm glad you're still having lots of fun with your numbers, Tom. I reckon a heart rate monitor does help. I figured the results I got when I was using a machine were not reliable in an absolute sense but they probably give you a good idea of how one day compares with another and I agree about the way monitors can help with our effort.

Those arm band monitors sound great. (Not that I will be getting one soon, or needing it for the mild, erratic exercise I've been doing lately!)

I hope you enjoy your weekend ride.
 
But if you're doing a long cardio workout exceeding 2 hours, you may want to start adjusting the numbers a bit downward. A fake deficit helps no one after all!

I decided what I'm going to do is to use the HR reading for weights, but for biking, I'm going to use 40 calories per mile. That way, if I go faster or slower, the figure will automatically adjust. This is substantially lower than the HR reading. For example, the HR monitor came in at 2,664 calories for today's ride, but I'm only recording 40 x 41.2 miles, or 1,648 calories.

Yes I agree with the 'thinking you're working too hard' comment. I think I definitely am afraid to really get my heartrate pumping sometimes, like when my heart starts to really hammer, I get a little terrified and cool it off, when probably that's where I should be, to get the most out of the workout. I think I'll ask for it for my bday so I don't have to spend the $ right now.

Unless you have heart problems, there's notthing at all wrong with pushing yourself to 95% of max HR. You don't really have to worry about staying there too long. . . within 30 seconds or so at that rate, your muscles will fill with lactic acid, and you'll have to slow down.

I only wear my HR for exercise.

I on the other hand swing my arms bent, to about chest high and back, and really work them....so am I in fact burning more than the machine calculates? I think so...so I just use the number the machine gives me and go with it

Beth, I find the machines typically overstate calories expended by around 20%, at least for me. However, when I do HIIT/Interval cardio, the machines understate calories by around 15%. The machines use an algorithm that doesn't take into account your heart rate, and that's what makes them so inaccurate.

Those arm band monitors sound great. (Not that I will be getting one soon, or needing it for the mild, erratic exercise I've been doing lately!)

I hope you enjoy your weekend ride.

Hi Felici. Actually, the only HR monitors that really work are the ones that use a strap around your chest. The other kinds are fairly erratic.

keep it up tom!!! i wanna see these summer results soon

LOL, I'm hoping Round 6 will be over in about 2 weeks, right in time for my 59th birthday. :)

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Exercise Log

Today was Weights 3 day - upper body:
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Time: 25 minutes
Calories: 312

This was a tough workout for some reason, I guess because all the weights went up by 10 pounds. Even though it was only 25 minutes, I was tired at the end.

After that, I decided to go on a bike ride. One of my goals has been to get up Torrey Pines Road without stopping. This is about a 2.5 mile long hill, and on a bent, it's no picnic. I really expected I'd have to give up about half way.

However, I made it all the way to the top! Of course, everyone passed me, including a guy on skates! That's one of the things about bents -- they're no speed demons on the hills. But sometimes it's nice to slow down a bit. After all, I'm no Lance Armstrong, and I never will be. What's wrong with just enjoying the ride, without having to race every other biker?

Even though this ride was only half as long as last week's ride, it seemed just as hard, I guess because of the big climb. I went 41.2 miles in 3 hours and 26 minutes. My max HR was 149 (88% of max), and my average HR was a low 119 (70% of max). I think part of the reason I got so tired was that it was hot out today, and I was going up that hill in the middle of the day in the blazing sun.

I had almost 2,00 calories from exercise today, so I don't think there's any doubt I'll have a pretty hefty deficit.
 
Hi Felici. Actually, the only HR monitors that really work are the ones that use a strap around your chest. The other kinds are fairly erratic.

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I had almost 2,00 calories from exercise today, so I don't think there's any doubt I'll have a pretty hefty deficit.

It's good to know that about the monitors. So do you have the kind with a chest strap? That sounds like it would be pretty pricey though clearly you have had your money's worth regardless!! :)

With that calorie expenditure you'd be speeding to the end of this round that's for sure. I like to picture you cycling up the hills on your bent and enjoying the outdoors without stressing. I would reckon that solid workout in the gym beforehand would have had an impact on how tiring it was!! :)
 
Felici, the Polar HR monitors start at $49, so they're not that bad. If you want a calorie readout as well, you can get the F6, which has a lot of nice functions. It's around $90 USD.

Yes, the weight sessions do tire me out. Generally, after doing Weights 2, which is my squats, deadlifts, and legs session, I'm done for the day -- no biking after that at all. But the upper body sessions leave me in OK shape for a decent ride.
 
Great effort TomO. Just checking in to sap some of your motivation. I had some bad eating the last few days and need to get back on the wagon today! Hope you have a good one :).
 
Sunday, July 8, 2007

Weight: 227.0 - No way do I believe this is the end of Round 6. The scale gods just got "punched" by a lot of exercise yesterday, and they're a bit dazed today.

Food yesterday came to 2,758 calories:
Fat: 80 gm, 26%; 26 gm saturated, 8%
Carbs: 321 gm, 44%; 27 gm fiber
Protein: 168 gm, 24%
Alcohol: 19 gm, 5%

The high dose of carbs partially came from Carbo Load, which I use for any ride lasting more than 2 hours. It's a pure carb replacement drink, and each dose adds 57 gms of carbs. Not an Atkins friendly drink, LOL.

With a NARM of 2,326 calories, and 1,960 calories from exercise, I ended the day with a deficit of 1,528 calories, giving me an accumulated deficit for Round 6 of 6,928 calories, and a deficit of 3,432 calories for the month so far.

Today should be a rest day, but I have an obligation in Solana Beach and Marlene is seeing her mom, so I won't have a car. That may mean a 20 mile ride, whether I like it or not.

Marlene and I were watching Live Earth yesterday. No one should feel smug about their individual contribution to end global warming, but I think we're doing pretty well -- after all, we got rid of one of our cars all together, and the other is a Honda Insight. The biggest change, though, will come from getting new political leadership that gives a damn about the environment.

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Blancita - No more bad food! Time to get ready for Miami! :D
 
Are you Green Party? If not you're acting like it!! :) (BTW I am) Good for you!!! I drive a lot and feel somewhat guilty, at least my Honda is decent as far as pollution. Hardly a hummer.

Well I'm glad your weight is 227 right now. You're already under your month's goal.

You're right, sprinting is a bitch! DO you think that my little exercise (sprinting the straights, walking the curves of a 1/4 mile track) is the most intense HIIT? I mean, it DOES qualify, right? Just curious......

I better get my ass in gear for Davenport before the wind picks up! It's already 9am!!!
 
Hi Val, I hope as I'm writing this you're on Hwy 1, beating that headwind!

Yes, those sprints qualify as HIIT, as long as you're getting your HR above 90% of your max. "Purists" will say that you can't walk in between, but the key to HIIT is hitting that 90% and keeping it there for at least 20 seconds or so.

No, I'm not Green Party. But we have always been very ecological minded. We're from the 60's, remember? LOL, I guess you don't remember that!
 
However, I made it all the way to the top! Of course, everyone passed me, including a guy on skates! That's one of the things about bents -- they're no speed demons on the hills. But sometimes it's nice to slow down a bit. After all, I'm no Lance Armstrong, and I never will be. What's wrong with just enjoying the ride, without having to race every other biker?
Nothing at all....think two, three, five years down the line...if you aren't doing something you love - just because you love it - can you imagine the daily grind of feeling like "oh, I have to go do this to day"?
 
"Purists" will say that you can't walk in between, but the key to HIIT is hitting that 90% and keeping it there for at least 20 seconds or so.

No, I'm not Green Party. But we have always been very ecological minded. We're from the 60's, remember? LOL, I guess you don't remember that!

What would purists say I had to do other than walk? Jog???

Well, ok, is Green Party a new thing? I dunno, I'm only 25 (almost) *sheepishly*
 
Oh BTW, I got to Davenport in 40 minutes, then decided to keep going. Then I was 30 minutes past there before I turned around. I was riding my bike for 2 and 1/2 hours straight--man I got bored!!!!! And hungry!!!!!!
 
Nothing at all....think two, three, five years down the line...if you aren't doing something you love - just because you love it - can you imagine the daily grind of feeling like "oh, I have to go do this to day"?

I had to get a bent because of neck problems. But one of the reasons I like it is that with my model, at least, you have to get out of the "race" mode. I'm amazed how many people who cycle don't seem to enjoy the scenery. Every time someone passes them, they feel compelled to race the person. It's really kind of funny. Imagine if the gym were that way -- every time you saw someone lift 100 pounds, you'd immediately feel compelled to lift 110 lbs. Ridiculous!

I find I'm really enjoying the scenery a lot more than I ever could in a car. My biggest worry is not overdoing it with my quads. I'm forcing myself to take a day off from the bike at least 2 or 3 times a week so they have time to recover.

What would purists say I had to do other than walk? Jog???

Well, ok, is Green Party a new thing? I dunno, I'm only 25 (almost) *sheepishly*

Yes, they'd probably say exactly that. There's a grain of truth to that, but what's really behind it is this. If you let your heart beat drop by more than around 15 beats in your rest interval, it will take longer than 15 seconds to reach your max in the sprint. A lot of "HIIT purists" seem to forget that fact -- you don't hit 95% of your max in 2 seconds. Instead, your heart "ramps up".

No, the Green Party has been around for decades. I think it started in the 70's.

Oh BTW, I got to Davenport in 40 minutes, then decided to keep going. Then I was 30 minutes past there before I turned around. I was riding my bike for 2 and 1/2 hours straight--man I got bored!!!!! And hungry!!!!!!

Way to go! If you're going for longer than an hour, I would look into a couple of supplments. One is Carbo Load, which is a pure carb replacement that you mix with your water. This will let you replace about half the calories you lose in an hour, which is just about right. The other is ThermoLyte, which is good for replenishing salt and electrolytes, and keeps you from cramping.
 
I hear you about the cycling man. I love to enjoy my time, and have fun as well as burning the calories. Some of my fellow cyclists just *have* to outdo and race each other. Often im left with the second group, a bunch of oldies, and we all chat and cycle and have a good ride in general.
Its way more fun that way :)
 
Monday, July 9, 2007

Weight 229.2 - Round 6 Day 15. I can't say I'm surprised. Yesterday's reading, like I thought, was just the scale gods getting knocked off balance by all that exercise.

Yesterday's food came to 2,592 calories:
111 gm fat, 36%; 39 gm saturated, 14%
252 gm carbs, 35%; 36 gm fiber
148 gm protein, 23%
3 gm alcohol, 1%

Most of the sat fat came from a souffle I had at Panera's for breakfast. No surprise - I just felt like having one yesterday.

I took a day of rest yesterday, after really hammering my quads on Saturday's ride.

Today is Weights 1 day, starting my 5th week of the new routine. I'll go for a bike ride after that.

All I had to show for expenditure yesterday was my NARM of 2,330 calories, leaving me with a small surplus for the day of 262 calories, an accumulated deficit for the month of 3,170 calories, and an accumulated deficit for this Round of 6,666 calories.

I hear you about the cycling man. I love to enjoy my time, and have fun as well as burning the calories. Some of my fellow cyclists just *have* to outdo and race each other. Often im left with the second group, a bunch of oldies, and we all chat and cycle and have a good ride in general.
Its way more fun that way :)

i wish I had a group like that to ride with. The groups out here are VERY competitive. They're more like pelotons in the TDF than recreational groups.
 
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