What's with weight loss TV shows that have people lose 5 lbs a week?!

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You can go on about detoxing as much as you want - and people who know that it is nonsense will do the same. It isn't a personal opinion, it's medical and scientific fact - detox is a myth. There is no such thing. The only detox that happens in the human body is the one that your body is doing on its own, each and every day. If you want to aid your body by eating 'good' food and giving it enough hydration, that's great.
Detoxing, cleansing or whatever else you want to call it, and every program that claims the necessity of 'detoxing' is only interested in one thing - selling crap to people and making money. It's been proven over and over again.
 
I am a self employed distributer with Forever Living

And the truth finally comes out.

ChefChiTown - I honestly havent gone out of my way to try to dupe anyone - the reason there are layers to my answer is because I started off as a member - who DIDNT want to force a specific company on anyone - just the type of product - I was then fronted to be a seller, explained as much as I thought I needed to and then was fronted again and again - each time explaining a bit more and a bit more.

I did attend a supplement training because it was offered by the company that sells me the health products and was £20 for the day - I wanted to know more about health supplements for my mum who is on wolferine and probably will be for the rest of her life and my family are all looking for alternative options.

I'm not a sales person - I've never been one and dont want to be - but your personal attack on me has gone beyond anything anyone has ever done - I'm not trying to be clever and there is nothing sinister about me - I feel that I have to continuously defend myself on here today and I dont know why - you have nit picked at everything I have said since I joined the forum months ago and turned it all around to make it look like I'm some sort of evil spamming pyramid seller who will con your members into buying stuff they dont want and sign people up to a job that will lose them money... what on earth did i ever do to deserve that?

You haven't gone out of your way to dupe anyway? You have told nothing but lies up until now. First your company trained you, then it was a third party company that trained you because you really worked as a paraplanner for a financial advisor, now you're self-employed as a vendor for Forever Living.

Lie, mislead, manipulate, whatever you want to call it...you were trying to dupe us.

And, where have I nitpicked everything you have said on this forum, especially from months ago? I merely quoted what you have said in this thread during the past few days and have pointed out your sales tactics (which you still refuse to acknowledge). I'm sorry - you can try and convince yourself that you weren't attempting to sell anything to the members of this forum, but I, for one, am never going to by it.

Like I said, I worked in sales for a number of years and I know what a sales pitch smells like.
 
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Last post on this subject because I am sure that people are now bored with this post.

Bored? not at all. We are very fired up on protecting our community from scams. Some of us actually enjoy destroying myth.


I havent lost any money on the business because I havent spent any money on the business - I am not employed - I am a self employed distributer with Forever Living and the reason I joined it was because I actually had a great health benefit from drinking the gel - which happened when I bought the detox program - which is why the first one was abandoned after 5 days. The health benefit made such a huge impact on me that I was completely caught up with investigating how.... Which is why I introduced my sister for her IBS and my mum with her arthritis - none of which is the detox program. I signed with the company to be able to buy the products at a discounted rate and my mum and sister go through my website to get to the shop to buy them for themselves. I dont actually sell to the public.

Nice, but you do sell to the public. Your website is a shop..that anyone in the public can follow. Also, self employed distributer is the same name people in pyramid schemes call themselves..it's better than calling themselves suckers.

As for your attack on the company - I dont think you know enough about it to even give a balanced comment - most of your comments arent measured or balanced at all and are just your view but done in the most aggressive form possible. If you did your research into the company you would find that its been going for 30 odd years with a 60 day money back guarantee on all its products and I dont think that most companies would be in business if the products didnt work...

Money back promises and being around for a while doesn't make it a good company. The funny thing about products pertaining to false health claims. Since you can't measure 'detox' in everyday life (only if you took steady blood and urine lab tests), then it's all about 'feeling'. When you buy something, you want it to work. It's easy for the mind to think it worked. I can give someone with a headache a sugar pill and tell them it is the newest headache cure..most of the time the person's headache will go away, just depends on how good of a salesperson you are.

End of this story! I am sorry that you feel that you have to protect this site from "people like me" who are excited about losing weight and are just on here to get motivation from like minded people. I am on a lot of forums - car and motorbike too and if any of our members were personally attacked like you have me then they would have been warned by moderators to let up. But you just dont let go - even when I have explained , re- explained and explained again.

Well, for one, I am a moderator so I'd have to warn myself but here is the thing...you explain but it doesn't change the facts. You can twist and turn but once you are connected financially with pushing a weight loss myth (and if you want, I can bombard you with independent medical studies proving it)

Please dont comment about my wasting money - detoxing may not work for you but it works for me and that means its not a waste of money. Its good to be opinionated but maybe it would be nicer if you waited before you accuse people of things that you have assumed to be the case.. There was absolutely no basis for your barrage of insults and we will need to agree to disagree that i'm on here to make money from people that I cant sell to. But I will keep on about the things that work for me - including detoxing - so please dont keep making personal comments about me when I do.

I won't agree to disagree on facts. You do make money off pushing detox. You can't deny that fact because you, yourself, provided the evidence.

Care to try and prove Detox is real with medical studies or should we skip shooting holes all over your stories? I've dealt with people like on the forum before. When you keep sending facts, the lies eventually do die.
 
I started off as a member - who DIDNT want to force a specific company on anyone - just the type of product

I'm not a sales person

you have nit picked at everything I have said since I joined the forum months ago and turned it all around to make it look like I'm some sort of evil spamming pyramid seller who will con your members into buying stuff they dont want and sign people up to a job that will lose them money... what on earth did i ever do to deserve that?


who DIDNT want to force a specific company on anyone - just the type of product

You know there is a saying about give a person enough rope and they will hang themselves. It seems to fit here.
 
You know there is a saying about give a person enough rope and they will hang themselves. It seems to fit here.

Saying that Detox is great is not saying BUY FROM ME!! Will you just stop looking for things that just arent here? I'm not the only one who has said that detox is a good thing - it worked for me and I'm talking from experience!
 
But never highlighted or used until I had to defend myself... are you guys on a witch hunt or do you just not want me on the forum?

None of the above.

We called you out for what you really are. And, here you are, still trying to convince us that you weren't attempting to sell us anything.
 
But never highlighted or used until I had to defend myself... are you guys on a witch hunt or do you just not want me on the forum?

Witch hunt implies a lack of guilt..sadly, the connection is crystal clear and has been outlined.

But again, we can drop that connection but understand you will be slammed down on your detox lies over and over by science and facts. You want to lose weight? Detox isn't going to lose you any weight but your wallet...and I will be sure people knows this.
 
None of the above.

We called you out for what you really are. And, here you are, still trying to convince us that you weren't attempting to sell us anything.

Will you concede that until it was brought to everyones attention today that I was only on here talking about lemons and losing weight and detox? that I wasnt trying to sell anyone anything by giving company names, or specific products sales chat?
 
You were setting up a base, trying to lay out the myths of detox as fact before, most likely in PMs, contacting people asking about what you use so you point them to your site.


You think you are the first to come here to do that?
 
I will correct one thing. Forever Living isn't a pyramid scheme..it is 'Multi-level marketing'..which is almost the same thing, but the small changes they made they did for legality.

One change is they are actually selling a product instead of nothing like a pyramid scheme'

While MLM is legal, it doesn't make you being here pushing a myth that will earn you money from our members any less wrong.
 
You were setting up a base, trying to lay out the myths of detox as fact before, most likely in PMs, contacting people asking about what you use so you point them to your site.


You think you are the first to come here to do that?

Get a moderator to take a look at my history - I havent sent ANYONE a PM! How can you keep on accusing me of this - I have changed my details to prove it the first time round - I have bared my background to try and show you that I'm not who you accuse me of being and now I'm contacting people to get them to buy from me when I keep telling you that thats not what I'm here for!

If I was honestly a spammer - dont you think I would have given up the ghost by now and told you all where to go because I've been caught out? I'm continuously coming back to let you know that you have got it wrong - I am NOT on here to sell anything!
 
..you do know I am a mod right?

As far as the PMs..you are still fairly new here (post count) so most people don't know you. Going by the usual plan, you have to get known first before members listen to you. Heck, we just banned a guy setting up the exact same situation.

I am laying out what has happened before.


But let's just stick with the detox part if you want to step away from your motives..how about those medical studies not connected to a detox program?
 
I will correct one thing. Forever Living isn't a pyramid scheme..it is 'Multi-level marketing'..which is almost the same thing, but the small changes they made they did for legality.

One change is they are actually selling a product instead of nothing like a pyramid scheme'

While MLM is legal, it doesn't make you being here pushing a myth that will earn you money from our members any less wrong.

Thank you. I may not be making money from the company but the products are good and to tar them with the pyramid brush wouldnt be good for them.

I'm not "pushing" a myth with my posts on detox - I honestly believe it works because it works for me - have you accused anyone else on here who mentions detoxing as a good start for weightloss of spamming? I made a mistake and tried to make myself look good to be a director rather than an employee - who hasnt tried to make themselves look a bit better in their lives? I've amended that mistake - can you not just take it as what it is and mark me as an error of judgement rather than a sinister character?
 
have you accused anyone else on here who mentions detoxing as a good start for weightloss of spamming? I made a mistake and tried to make myself look good to be a director rather than an employee - who hasnt tried to make themselves look a bit better in their lives? I've amended that mistake - can you not just take it as what it is and mark me as an error of judgement rather than a sinister character?

The products are not good. Detox is a myth. A product designed to promote that myth is NOT good.

As a new member, I am taking that you don't know me very well. I am vicious against people trying to push the detox myth. I will fill your screen with medical studies and facts showing that is is a myth. The benefits are only in your head. I can do the same with a hallmark card saying Congradualtions on the weight loss when you haven't. It's in your head..and that's free. That's fine. I get mad when products and false statements that detox works or detox is real that I slam down.

I am focusing on your claims now. Who you are is already out there for the members to see.
 
..you do know I am a mod right?

As far as the PMs..you are still fairly new here (post count) so most people don't know you. Going by the usual plan, you have to get known first before members listen to you. Heck, we just banned a guy setting up the exact same situation.

I am laying out what has happened before.


But let's just stick with the detox part if you want to step away from your motives..how about those medical studies not connected to a detox program?

Which ones?

The one that people think that having a balanced diet is good enough and it isnt and that for a lot of people supplements should be taken because theres up to 50% less less vitamins and minerals in the food - mainly due to intense farming? thats well known

The one that there isnt more vitamins and minerals in organic food than mass produced... That you are being sold vitamin tablets which are vastly more than the body can take - why buy 1000mg of vitamin c when the maximum the body can hold at any one time is(and I stand corrected) 75mg. Thats all over the web.

That there isnt enough Selenium in the UK soil to support our diets of fresh food - thats all over the web - land studies support all of that.

The lack of vitamins in people going in for operations - thats not just the UK.
 
I'd gone to a training day that gave me loads of information and some of it I hadnt realised so when I came on and tried to let people know some of the things I'd learned... some of them absolutely floored me.

Who doesnt do that?
 
Again..show studies. Show medical proof. You went to a program ran by the people who want you to sell their snake oil.


You didn't talk about processed foods or the lack of nutritional value in some of those things. You talked about DETOX. You are talking two different things.

As far as Selenium:
 
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how about those medical studies not connected to a detox program?







I dont have access to medical articles as I'm not in the medical industry but I have found these from medical websites...
 
Again..show studies. Show medical proof. You went to a program ran by the people who want you to sell their snake oil.


You didn't talk about processed foods or the lack of nutritional value in some of those things. You talked about DETOX. You are talking two different things.

As far as Selenium:

The selenium point was that we have to make sure that we take selenium in excess of where we think we are getting it.. so your site is saying the same thing - you need to look for enriched foods to get it... I was trying to point out that what we think is in our foods isnt..
 
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