What's with weight loss TV shows that have people lose 5 lbs a week?!

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Well, if you've got the money to spare and believe that it helps you, by all means, detox.

The mind is a powerful thing after all, and if it makes you feel better, that's all that matters in the end.

You do realise that nearly all the links you posted are trying to push cleanses and other programs though, right?

I didnt notice - but I switch off to adverts on the web and concentrate on the information i'm looking for.

But none of them would have been my company as we dont advertise like that so I had nothing to gain... So sorry about that! I honestly dont pay attention.

When you have places talking about different issues then you are bound to have advertising spring up all over them!! I was looking for information on cleanses and voila! there is an advert for a cleanser! Seems to be the nature of the beast called Web advertising... I suppose its the same as things like this weight loss forum - there are loads of adverts about how to lose weight on these pages too - Boot camps and so forth.. not that the weight loss forum is pushing it but they are still on here...
 
But none of them would have been my company as we dont advertise like that so I had nothing to gain... So sorry about that! I honestly dont pay attention.

WE HAVE A WINNER!

No wonder you are pushing this crap. It's your company. You want people to fall for these lies so they will go to your website and get your products.

It all comes down to money.
 
Oooh...I completely spaced out on that. Bad me!!!

In any case - I didn't mean the advertising ON the page. I meant the fact that the 'information' on the pages is written by the people who try to push the product. Which is way said information is pretty much useless. They will write everything to sell their nonsense.
 
WE HAVE A WINNER!

No wonder you are pushing this crap. It's your company. You want people to fall for these lies so they will go to your website and get your products.

It all comes down to money.

You arrogant little person! :cuss:

Answer me this....

What website have I pushed you to?
What products am I selling?
What company have I got?

by my company - I mean the one I personally used for the detox and I deliberately didnt post up a link to the information I found when looking for a detox system - You have a mean mouth Jericho and you have a toxic attitude - just looking to belittle anyone at the slightest move.

Stop jumping down peoples throat first and then finding the truth afterwards - I bet I'm not even in your country so how am I on here to make money? I was trying - like everyone else - to get and give inspiration and give out information about what I found beneficial in my weight loss travels.

I'll have you know I'm a paraplanner in an Independent Financial Advisers in the UK - just trying to lose weight and glean a little information from everyone else!!!
 
Oh hell, I just visited the site and did research. It's not just a detox scam..it's a frigging pyramid scheme. It's a double whammy in the 'how to waste your money' ballgame.

She wants our members to visit her site and talk to her so she can pitch joining her team to sell the products. Dear lord, we have seen this before here.

I will personally make sure to counter your self-promoting crap and protect our users from becoming part of your money pit.
 
You arrogant little person! :cuss:

Answer me this....

What website have I pushed you to?
What products am I selling?
What company have I got?

by my company - I mean the one I personally used for the detox and I deliberately didnt post up a link to the information I found when looking for a detox system - You have a mean mouth Jericho and you have a toxic attitude - just looking to belittle anyone at the slightest move.

Stop jumping down peoples throat first and then finding the truth afterwards - I bet I'm not even in your country so how am I on here to make money? I was trying - like everyone else - to get and give inspiration and give out information about what I found beneficial in my weight loss travels.

I'll have you know I'm a paraplanner in an Independent Financial Advisers in the UK - just trying to lose weight and glean a little information from everyone else!!!

It's on your profile. THAT is how I know your site. Yes, I just said where people can get it. There is nothing in the rules against putting the site in your profile, just not in your signature.

Second, we have international members so just because you are in the UK doesn't mean it is less.

Prove me wrong. If you have no intention of trying to get people to use the products you are selling and 'join my team', then remove it from your profile. Show the community your goal isn't money.


Toxic attitude? No, protective attitude. You picked the wrong damn time to come to the site to spread your false lies and myths for a buck. I'm back and I am fired up.
 
You arrogant little person! :cuss:

Answer me this....

What website have I pushed you to?
What products am I selling?
What company have I got?

by my company - I mean the one I personally used for the detox and I deliberately didnt post up a link to the information I found when looking for a detox system - You have a mean mouth Jericho and you have a toxic attitude - just looking to belittle anyone at the slightest move.

Stop jumping down peoples throat first and then finding the truth afterwards - I bet I'm not even in your country so how am I on here to make money? I was trying - like everyone else - to get and give inspiration and give out information about what I found beneficial in my weight loss travels.

I'll have you know I'm a paraplanner in an Independent Financial Advisers in the UK - just trying to lose weight and glean a little information from everyone else!!!

Don't know if it's your own company, but I'm assuming that Jericho is referring to the little pyramid-scheme earner in your profile link? Just a thought.
 
Oooh...I completely spaced out on that. Bad me!!!

In any case - I didn't mean the advertising ON the page. I meant the fact that the 'information' on the pages is written by the people who try to push the product. Which is way said information is pretty much useless. They will write everything to sell their nonsense.

Everything is covered by trading standards in the UK so as long as the information is done on UK web pages the information HAS to by law, to be factually correct... I only posted up one link of many that I've found.. I do a lot of dilligent web traipsing to look at all the different angles before I take a stance - but if someone has a view that makes more sense I am always open to another viewpoint.

I did find one factual paper in the links I put up - I really need to go looking at the medical journals... but they dont always make sense as I'm not into the "lingo" but I think common sense tells you what is sort of right and what is totally wrong...
 
you will not find a medical journal supporting your case because there isn't one. I've done the research. Detox is overwhelmingly debunked.

Second, I saw your site and you know what? You don't make any claims on it. That's how you get around the law about it having to be fact. You use the usual advertising speak that gives enough wiggle room that it can't be thrown against you in court..but of course you do because the company and their lawyers tell you how to describe the product.
 
Don't know if it's your own company, but I'm assuming that Jericho is referring to the little pyramid-scheme earner in your profile link? Just a thought.

What pyramid scheme earner? Pyramid schemes are banned in the UK

I have a company that I buy Aloe Vera products from for myself, my sister and my mum and have done since November last year. You sign up and get a discount. It looks better to put down director of a company rather than paraplanner in financial services.

Again, I havent put any links to the company website or tried to sell anyone anything - so why the personal attack?
 
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A pyramid scheme is this.

When you started selling this stuff, you got told that you need to get other people to sell under you..that is where the 'join my team' comes in. You get a portion of their sells. They are going to try and get people and you get the money of those sellers as well..

It's a well known money scam. It's actually illegal but they started using legal loopholes to get around it. In the US, we have the same type of companies for people to work at home for little work to get rich.


It's a SCAM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme
 
What pyramid scheme earner? Pyramid schemes are banned in the UK

I have a company that I buy Aloe Vera products from for myself, my sister and my mum and have done since November last year. You sign up and get a discount. It looks better to put down director of a company rather than paraplanner in financial services.

Again, I havent put any links to the company website or tried to sell anyone anything - so why the personal attack?

It's more than Aloe Vera. You aren't pushing hand lotion. You sell a detox product (which again..been debunked by science). You come to a weight loss site. You lay out how great detox is. You put the website in your profile.

It's called following the money. It is important to know the motivation of someone who is trying to convince you that a myth is real. You have a direct financial interest in putting your product out there on a site where people are looking for a solution.

Once again, you want to prove me wrong, remove all mention of the website off your profile. You won't. You know I'm right in this because if all you cared about is helping people without the chance of profit, you would have never put the site there in the first place.
 
1. I have never pointed anyone in the direction of my profile
2. Look at my picture - if I was on here to make money there would be a THIN person looking back at you and not me!
3. If you think about it logically detoxing actually does work - with all the rubbish we put in our systems we need to flush out the toxic residue we absorb that our bodies cant use. Or are you saying that someone on a poor diet doesnt need to stop eating it as they will continue to be healthy? Even drinking more water is detoxing!
4. I took off the website and have now put on the one from my day job - just to prove to you that I'm not on here to make money out of people. I dont see why you bullied me into doing that because I had a little self respect to be able to have my own site instead of being someone elses employee...
5. I am not on here to make money out of people - and you are bang out of order to even suggest it without the proof that I am! I believe so much in what I'm taking that I want to shout to the world about how much its helped me and my family - and you are totally wrong - I cant make money out of people internationally because I'm on entry level and its not possible. I'm not interested in asking people to join my company because I'm not set up to do that.
6. It is not a pyramid scheme - because the company would NOT take money from people downline to pay me - people in the downline do not earn less than I do - if I was working the company properly - which I'm not! IF it did that it would be a pyramid scheme and that is illegal in this country!
Normal companies have a person at the top making all the money from the people at the bottom doing all the work - thats a standard way of work. You dont have a chance to earn more than your boss do you in your country do you? Dont tar companies with the same brush until you know how they work.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this - you jumped on me wrongly - and have insulted my integrity and my honesty - I really didnt expect that when I signed up for here for some support and help!
 
Yes there are medical journals to back it up and I posted this earlier... I dont know what is absolutely right or absolutely wrong as I havent done a degree in anything - let alone toxins and the body - but the person who wrote this medical paper seems to have some form of degree..
 
Yes there are medical journals to back it up and I posted this earlier... I dont know what is absolutely right or absolutely wrong as I havent done a degree in anything - let alone toxins and the body - but the person who wrote this medical paper seems to have some form of degree..

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but if you go to the main website, you'll be greeted with

"Welcome to my website. Since the launch of my latest book ''Insert dramatic title here''...." and then the usual stuff about how people love it, and that everybody should buy her books.

The study doesn't mention de-tox, and is very un-specific. And the woman is a med-school graduate and a doctor of Philosophy. She certainly has some form of degree....just none that would give her a lot of credibility.
 
Your link isn't proof. Provide a medical case study that isn't backed by the company who wants to prove detox works. You won't find one. It's been tried. You aren't the first to try and suggest that it is real.

And every one of the people who did had some financial connection to be made.

1. I have never pointed anyone in the direction of my profile

Doesn't matter. When you post, people almost always go check out the profile.


2. Look at my picture - if I was on here to make money there would be a THIN person looking back at you and not me!

Money doesn't know weight.

3. If you think about it logically detoxing actually does work - with all the rubbish we put in our systems we need to flush out the toxic residue we absorb that our bodies cant use. Or are you saying that someone on a poor diet doesnt need to stop eating it as they will continue to be healthy? Even drinking more water is detoxing!

You aren't suggesting drinking water to keep hydrated, thus letting the human body do what it does. You are suggesting buying crap product with false claims. There is NO medical or scientific study that shows detoxing is real. NONE. It's advertising to make money. The human body is more than able to filter waste. Not to mention no one ever says what these 'toxins' are. They just just the advertising lingo of 'toxins' cause it's a mysterious and blanket statement to cause people to fear.


4. I took off the website and have now put on the one from my day job - just to prove to you that I'm not on here to make money out of people. I dont see why you bullied me into doing that because I had a little self respect to be able to have my own site instead of being someone elses employee...

You are someone else's employee..that is what a pyramid scheme is, but I will give you props for removing the website that directed people to your business. It is a step.


5. I am not on here to make money out of people - and you are bang out of order to even suggest it without the proof that I am! I believe so much in what I'm taking that I want to shout to the world about how much its helped me and my family - and you are totally wrong - I cant make money out of people internationally because I'm on entry level and its not possible. I'm not interested in asking people to join my company because I'm not set up to do that.

First, you sure can make money off people internationally. You can set it up that way..and who said you wouldn't target people in the UK..which we have many of. You believe in it because it lines your pockets.


6. It is not a pyramid scheme - because the company would NOT take money from people downline to pay me - people in the downline do not earn less than I do - if I was working the company properly - which I'm not! IF it did that it would be a pyramid scheme and that is illegal in this country!
Normal companies have a person at the top making all the money from the people at the bottom doing all the work - thats a standard way of work. You dont have a chance to earn more than your boss do you in your country do you? Dont tar companies with the same brush until you know how they work.

You can call it anything you want..but it it smells like a scheme and it quacks like a scheme then it will take money like a scheme. You are saying all the things that has been recorded from selling points of pyramid schemes..oh I'm sorry..home businesses. There is a program that was on Showtime called Penn & Teller's Bullshit. They did an episode about the same program you are doing.

If anything, I'm sorry you are wasting your money doing this.
 
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I'm sorry, I have to step in and just end this. If someone is spamming for a third party company or even trying to sell their own products on this website, I don't really care. It happens. And, when it happens, the moderators usually nail the person right away and then the spammer leaves. But, when that person is caught red handed, especially publicly on the forum and not through private PMs, it really irritates me when they keep trying to pretend as if they have nooooo idea why they've been accused of spamming.

And, that's exactly what's happening here and it's stupid.

So, before I decided to throw in my two cents, I re-read this entire thread just to make sure I didn't miss anything or misread anybody's posts. With that being said...

And, you should know that I worked in sales for 7 or 8 years and I was damn good at it, so my bullshit detector is properly calibrated to sense out even the tiniest figments of crap.

I went to supplement training on Saturday and found a few facts that may be of interest, here are three scary facts backed up by research;

I went to supplement training on Saturday and found a few facts that may be of interest, here are three scary facts backed up by research;

(I deleted the 'information' provided, but I assure you it's convincingly similar. I needed to save space on characters so I could fit my post in without going over the character limit, so I had to eliminate some text. For those interested, the two posts in question are POST #35 and POST #38)

You repeated yourself twice. And, since it was such a long, drawn out post that happened to talk about the same exact things, since it was worded in the same exact order and progression, I find it hard to believe that it happened by accident. You knew what you were doing. You repeated yourself because that’s what sales people do. Mind you, BAD sales people do it (because if their first pitch doesn’t work, but they have nothing else to say that will sell their potential customer, they just repeat themselves out of desperation), but they’re still sales people.

But, hey…I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for a moment. Let’s assume that you really did attend “supplement training” on Saturday.

In answer to the very nice way of saying that my information given by my company were wrong - I've done a quick reccy around the web and found the web pages to back up what I've been given in training

Your company was the outfit providing you with your “supplement training”, huh? That must mean the company you work for works in the health industry.

I'll have you know I'm a paraplanner in an Independent Financial Advisers in the UK

You’re a paraplanner for an independent financial advisor - an independent financial advisor that provides its employees with training in the field of supplements and health? Odd.

by my company - I mean the one I personally used for the detox

:snickers:

I can smell that from a mile away – twisting your own words around to make the customer feel like they’re the ones who are incorrect, while also making it seem like you have done nothing wrong. Typical sales tactic. The sad part is, it never works. Well, unless you’re good – REALLY good – which, it appears you are not.

You backtracked by saying that. You were the one who clearly said “MY COMPANY”, which implies that you either received training at the company you work for or that you own a company of your own. But, what you’re saying now is that by saying “my company”, you were really referring to some unrelated-from-your-true-profession training seminar provided by a third party company.

Sorry, but I don’t buy it. Nobody does.

I walked into CVS the other day to pick up some antihistamines for my dad, who was under the weather. The pharmacist at the counter thoroughly explained to me all of the risks, benefits, side effects and directions on how to use various antihistamine products. But, even though I am now thoroughly informed on the wonderful world of antihistamines thanks to my friends at CVS, I am never going to refer to it as “MY COMPANY.” I am never going to say that “MY COMPANY” taught me about antihistamines – I’m going to say, “the pharmacist at CVS told me” and leave it at that.

I went in for a visit, I listened to what their employee had to say and I bought one of their products. That doesn’t make it MY company just because of that. Hell, if that were the case, I could claim 30% of the share ownership of McDonald’s and nobody would think twice about it, huh? Yet, sadly…nobody would believe me. And, nobody believes you. Sorry.

I bet I'm not even in your country so how am I on here to make money?

Do you honestly think that people who live in different countries can’t make money off one another? Are you serious? No, you can’t be. You just can’t be. I mean, didn’t you say you work for a financial advisor? Well, if that’s true, I hope they fire you immediately, because (if you really mean what you just said) you obviously have no concept of money and where it comes from. And, considering that most paraplanners have a college degree in either the field of business or economics (which both educate you on money flow), that’s pretty sad.

What pyramid scheme earner? Pyramid schemes are banned in the UK

Alcohol was banned here in the US for a long period of time (a long time ago), but people still drank. What’s your point? Just because something is illegal, it doesn’t mean people don’t do it. Pyramid schemes are illegal all over the place, but yet they still manage to be one of the most popular, illegal moneymaking tactics in use.

I have a company that I buy Aloe Vera products from for myself, my sister and my mum and have done since November last year. You sign up and get a discount. It looks better to put down director of a company rather than paraplanner in financial services.

Why do you have to tell this company what you do for a living? If you were just a regular customer who was merely buying lotions and whatnot, they wouldn’t ask you what your job title was. I don’t have to provide tax forms and proof of work when I go to Wal-Mart and buy my bathroom products, so what exactly is your business with this aloe vera company? Obviously, you’re not just a regular old customer of some sort.

I’m willing to bet those aloe vera products are products that you purchase from them so you can sell them to other people at a marked up price. And, I’m willing to bet that’s why it looks better for you to put down you are a director of a company, as opposed to a paraplanner. It gets you a better rate, doesn’t it? :sniff sniff: Ahh, I smell a member of the sales game.

I only posted up one link of many that I've found.

God, I hope someone else at the financial advising firm you work for does the counting. There is one post alone you made that contained a good 6 or 7 links. Remind me to never hire your employer to handle my money, because I’d get shortchanged like crazy and go broke.

5. I am not on here to make money out of people - and you are bang out of order to even suggest it without the proof that I am!

The proof is in the pudding and you’ve just been fed a big spoonful.

and you are totally wrong - I cant make money out of people internationally because I'm on entry level and its not possible. I'm not interested in asking people to join my company because I'm not set up to do that.

I can pick that statement apart in so many ways, but I’ll just stick with two simple key points. I'll just skip over the part where you reference asking people to join your company, which is something that only pyramid schemers would even think of saying - but I'll ignore that for now.

You can’t make money from people internationally – wrong. International moneymaking schemes are the most common and most successful. Nothing prevents you from making money overseas, especially on the internet.

You can’t make money from people internationally because you’re on entry level – sooooo, once you evolve past ‘entry level’ and get ‘promoted’ or whatever, then you CAN make money from people internationally? That means your company is set up to sell things and make money.

Which brings me to…

It is not a pyramid scheme - because the company would NOT take money from people downline to pay me - people in the downline do not earn less than I do - if I was working the company properly - which I'm not! IF it did that it would be a pyramid scheme and that is illegal in this country!

“If I was working the company properly””IF it did that it would be a pyramid scheme” – wow, if that’s not a dead giveaway that you are, in fact, operating within a pyramid scheme, then I don’t know what is.

I have a soap box and am not afraid to use it

Then you should probably use it to wash your mouth out with soap, because there’s an awful lot of crap coming out of it.
 
Last post on this subject because I am sure that people are now bored with this post.

I havent lost any money on the business because I havent spent any money on the business - I am not employed - I am a self employed distributer with Forever Living and the reason I joined it was because I actually had a great health benefit from drinking the gel - which happened when I bought the detox program - which is why the first one was abandoned after 5 days. The health benefit made such a huge impact on me that I was completely caught up with investigating how.... Which is why I introduced my sister for her IBS and my mum with her arthritis - none of which is the detox program. I signed with the company to be able to buy the products at a discounted rate and my mum and sister go through my website to get to the shop to buy them for themselves. I dont actually sell to the public.

As for your attack on the company - I dont think you know enough about it to even give a balanced comment - most of your comments arent measured or balanced at all and are just your view but done in the most aggressive form possible. If you did your research into the company you would find that its been going for 30 odd years with a 60 day money back guarantee on all its products and I dont think that most companies would be in business if the products didnt work...

End of this story! I am sorry that you feel that you have to protect this site from "people like me" who are excited about losing weight and are just on here to get motivation from like minded people. I am on a lot of forums - car and motorbike too and if any of our members were personally attacked like you have me then they would have been warned by moderators to let up. But you just dont let go - even when I have explained , re- explained and explained again.

Please dont comment about my wasting money - detoxing may not work for you but it works for me and that means its not a waste of money. Its good to be opinionated but maybe it would be nicer if you waited before you accuse people of things that you have assumed to be the case.. There was absolutely no basis for your barrage of insults and we will need to agree to disagree that i'm on here to make money from people that I cant sell to. But I will keep on about the things that work for me - including detoxing - so please dont keep making personal comments about me when I do.
 
ChefChiTown - I honestly havent gone out of my way to try to dupe anyone - the reason there are layers to my answer is because I started off as a member - who DIDNT want to force a specific company on anyone - just the type of product - I was then fronted to be a seller, explained as much as I thought I needed to and then was fronted again and again - each time explaining a bit more and a bit more.

I did attend a supplement training because it was offered by the company that sells me the health products and was £20 for the day - I wanted to know more about health supplements for my mum who is on wolferine and probably will be for the rest of her life and my family are all looking for alternative options.

I'm not a sales person - I've never been one and dont want to be - but your personal attack on me has gone beyond anything anyone has ever done - I'm not trying to be clever and there is nothing sinister about me - I feel that I have to continuously defend myself on here today and I dont know why - you have nit picked at everything I have said since I joined the forum months ago and turned it all around to make it look like I'm some sort of evil spamming pyramid seller who will con your members into buying stuff they dont want and sign people up to a job that will lose them money... what on earth did i ever do to deserve that?
 
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