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Lake Anna in Virginia.. mini vacation with the family...

I'm actually going on a small vacation this week. We leave on either Tuesday evening or Wednesday morning for Lake Anna in Virginia. It's a family trip... there's 18 of us going down until Saturday. Well some have been down there for 2 weeks but I'm just going down for the tail end. It should be fun. I doubt I can handle much more than 3 full days in one house with that much fam.
 
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Well......I have a question. He should have left his cell number lol. Oh well guess I will have to actually figure something out on my own for a change.

Maybe I will post it in Focus's thread and let him google it for me.
 
A point to keep in mind for the septic. A seller is obigated by law to disclose any known facts that effect the value of the property. If they don't know there is anything wrong with the septic they certainly can't disclose that to any potential buyers. Now, once they become aware of it, they are required by law to disclose it.

This is good to know and is something I was going to ask the realtor. Thanks.

This is another reason it is always best to work with a realtor when buying real estate.

Just an FYI, the realtor involved is acting as a dual agent.

It would be completely fair to ask the sellers to split the cost with you 50/50. That is the most common resolution to this type of situation. It is possible that once you turn over the test results, they will make the offer to you.

I was thinking that I'd just ask them to cover a fraction of the closing costs that would equal the cost of half the septic repair. This way they could just pay up and move and not have to worry about anything. Once I'm in, I can handle the septic then.

Thoughts?

Good Luck!

Thanks a bunch, your advice is always appreciated.
 
So what are you bulking up for? Are you going to try to put on some extra muscle??

I always go through bulking up periods each year. I'm not a fan of 'maintenance.' I like to continually improve some quality of my body (i.e., muscle gain, fat loss, athleticism, etc). While improving one quality, I work on maintaining the others as best I can. It's just time to bulk up a bit. I'm feeling small.

About the house...is this the same house you have been looking at for awhile? Sorry to hear about the septic. That sucks. But w/those old houses you are bound to get into a money pit situation. Go w/your gut!!

This is the house I've been looking at for nearly a month now. I believe it's been that long. I've pretty much decided I'm going to pursue the purchase assuming the seller's are willing to work with the terms I want.
 
Well......I have a question. He should have left his cell number lol. Oh well guess I will have to actually figure something out on my own for a change.

Maybe I will post it in Focus's thread and let him google it for me.

Haha, did you find your answer?
 
So Lake Anna is beautiful and it was a very relaxing trip. The house was amazing. All 18 people could sleep comfortably in it and it was even large enough to find my own corner to read in when I wanted/needed quiet. The house sat right on the lake. It had a boat house with a screened in porch and two boat slips. We had two boats down there with wake boards, knee boards, water skis and tubes. Needless to say these were fun!

We did a ton of fishing, swimming and boating. Each morning I would wake up to watch the sun rise out over the lake from the dock. Then I'd eat some breakfast, go for a morning swim, go catch some bait and then go fishing. I'd then come back and read a bit on the dock while lunch was prepped. Then after lunch, we'd go boating or fishing.

It was a great time. Not much to do aside from the lake but I don't need much more in that short period of time.

I was pleasantly surprised.
 
You vacation sounded perfect. Makes me want to take vacation right now!! Glad you had a peaceful, relaxing, time. I love boating, wakeboarding, just being in the water...

Sorry to hear you are feeling "small". Good luck w/the bulking up. I know how to put on weight fairly easy so if you need pointers let me know. hahah I know...you want to do it the "healthy" way!

Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
 
A point to keep in mind for the septic. A seller is obigated by law to disclose any known facts that effect the value of the property. If they don't know there is anything wrong with the septic they certainly can't disclose that to any potential buyers. Now, once they become aware of it, they are required by law to disclose it.

This is another reason it is always best to work with a realtor when buying real estate.

Lets assume you have the tests run and find out it is going to cost $20,000 to bring the septic to code. Turn those test results over to the realtor. She is now obligated to inform any other potential buyers of this problem. She is not going to risk her license by hiding it. Not all homowners have the same motivation.

It would be completely fair to ask the sellers to split the cost with you 50/50. That is the most common resolution to this type of situation. It is possible that once you turn over the test results, they will make the offer to you.

Good Luck!

This is absolutely true. If I were you, I'd ask the sellers to make the repairs themselves. If they refuse, I'd walk away. That is a helluva lot of money to spend right off the bat, and I think you stand a good chance of them doing it--or at least splitting the cost as now that they know about the problem, and would have to then find a buyer who was willing to accept the septic as is.
 
I was thinking that I'd just ask them to cover a fraction of the closing costs that would equal the cost of half the septic repair. This way they could just pay up and move and not have to worry about anything. Once I'm in, I can handle the septic then.

Sorry, I have been busy lately also and didn't see your response. :blush5:

You could certainly handle it this way providing your closing costs are enough to cover half the cost of the septic.

Since you are thinking you could take care of the septic later you may want to consider lowering the price of the house by half the amount of the repair. The advantage to this would be in your property taxes. The amount of your taxes are based on the sales price of the house. Lower sales price = lower property taxes. The disadvantage is there is now no liquid to actually make the repair later.

I saw the suggestion about asking the seller to make the repair and this is certainly the best CYA approach. However, if they don't have the liquid to have the repair made that is quite a burden to place them under. It may just not be possible for them.

What I would recommend is this. Get an estimate. Ask the contractor to make it on the high side of fair. Explain to him that you will get the job done with his company within 30 days of closing if he will work with you. Try to negotiate the best deal you can. You will have half the estimate in cash. (the sellers half) Would he like to barter the rest of the agreed amount? You know a good personal trainer.:Angel_anim:
Would he let you work as labor on the job to cut back on costs? However you can whittle away at your half.
Then have your realtor write an addendum to the contract stating that half the estimate amount go into an escrow account to be paid directly to the contractor within 30 days of closing.
This makes everyone feel more secure. You are not just asking for cash, and the seller doesn't have to come up with money before closing. It will be paid from their proceeds. The contractor knows the money is there waiting and is more willing to work with cost. You get half the estimate paid already and don't have to hold up the closing waiting for this septic glitch to be ironed out.
Should not be any problem at all.

Just my 2 cents. Hope all goes well!!
 
You vacation sounded perfect. Makes me want to take vacation right now!! Glad you had a peaceful, relaxing, time. I love boating, wakeboarding, just being in the water...

Thanks Melissa :)

I'll tell ya what... it was rough waking up this morning! I could get used to that lifestyle.

Sorry to hear you are feeling "small". Good luck w/the bulking up. I know how to put on weight fairly easy so if you need pointers let me know. hahah I know...you want to do it the "healthy" way!

Feeling small is part of the process for me, really. I bulk until I 'feel too fat' and I cut down until I 'feel too small.' Very weak/loose gauges but it's what works for me. I hate rigidity.
 
This is absolutely true. If I were you, I'd ask the sellers to make the repairs themselves. If they refuse, I'd walk away. That is a helluva lot of money to spend right off the bat, and I think you stand a good chance of them doing it--or at least splitting the cost as now that they know about the problem, and would have to then find a buyer who was willing to accept the septic as is.

I meet with the realtor today to draft my proposed agreement.

There are two septics on the property. The 'fix' that is suggested right now is to tie the bad septic into the good septic. The good septic is old too, but is working fine for now.

To be sure it could handle the bad septic flow, they would do a hydraulic load test where they dump 400 gallons of water into the good tank. If it handles that, it could easily handle the bad septic.

Fixing the bad septic is only 5-6k. Not something I want to spend but also not something I'm willing to lose the house over.

I think in the agreement I am going to have the following contingencies:

1. The good septic is tested with this hydraulic load test and passes.
2. If it passes, seller agrees to pay for half the cost of tying in the bad septic into the good. They can do this by paying for a fraction of the closing costs.
3. Satisfactory passing of all other home/water inspections.
 
Sorry, I have been busy lately also and didn't see your response. :blush5:

No problem. :)

You could certainly handle it this way providing your closing costs are enough to cover half the cost of the septic.

They would be.

Since you are thinking you could take care of the septic later you may want to consider lowering the price of the house by half the amount of the repair. The advantage to this would be in your property taxes. The amount of your taxes are based on the sales price of the house. Lower sales price = lower property taxes. The disadvantage is there is now no liquid to actually make the repair later.

I'm being a moron and feeling 'bad' about pushing the limits. I feel like I've already pushed them a good bit given the fact that I've been twisting their arm for over a month now with negotiations.

I would love for them to cover the whole cost though.

I saw the suggestion about asking the seller to make the repair and this is certainly the best CYA approach. However, if they don't have the liquid to have the repair made that is quite a burden to place them under. It may just not be possible for them.

What I would recommend is this. Get an estimate. Ask the contractor to make it on the high side of fair. Explain to him that you will get the job done with his company within 30 days of closing if he will work with you. Try to negotiate the best deal you can. You will have half the estimate in cash. (the sellers half) Would he like to barter the rest of the agreed amount? You know a good personal trainer.:Angel_anim:
Would he let you work as labor on the job to cut back on costs? However you can whittle away at your half.
Then have your realtor write an addendum to the contract stating that half the estimate amount go into an escrow account to be paid directly to the contractor within 30 days of closing.
This makes everyone feel more secure. You are not just asking for cash, and the seller doesn't have to come up with money before closing. It will be paid from their proceeds. The contractor knows the money is there waiting and is more willing to work with cost. You get half the estimate paid already and don't have to hold up the closing waiting for this septic glitch to be ironed out.
Should not be any problem at all.

Just my 2 cents. Hope all goes well!!

I like this suggestion a lot. I'm going to bring this to the table tonight at my meeting.

Thanks so much!
 
So given the fact that I am in 'save money mode' right now, I really want to reduce my monthly car payment. The 350z has been a ton of fun and I'm still fully in love with the car. But I don't need to have a 500+ dollar per month car payment at the moment.

So I went and test drove a 2008 Dodge Ram 1500 pickup truck over the weekend and I really like it. I don't love it like I do my car and it will be sad trading... but financially it makes the most sense. Dealers are basically giving trucks away right now. This truck is nearly a 40k truck and I'm getting it for a little over 20k.

If they weren't giving such steep discounts I probably wouldn't go through with it. But it's too good a deal to pass up.

It isn't a done deal yet, their appraisal department was closed when I was there. But if they give appraise it for what I want, the deal with go through. I should find out tomorrow.

Here's a pic of the same truck I'm getting:



I want the bright silver metallic.
 
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