Biggest Loser Tonight

SweatPea said:
With all the crying I've seen in other episodes, they got to know it ain't going to be easy. :shrugs shoulders:
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Seeing and feeling are two totally different animals.

I've had clients tell me that they've always trained hard.

After a session with me, they take back their original statement.

Perception creates reality. The perception you get from a glipse of television probably isn't going to match the reality of how it feels once your are in full bootcamp mode.

But what do I know....

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I don't know why we keep tit-for-tatting over this, it was their decision. Not yours nor mine. And for the most part it got them to lose weight - not sit on their couch and whine about it. And then generally they go home and lose more weight - so it must've motivated them to some degree cause even the losers will lose weight on their own.

I've seen threads on here where supposedly "most of them have gained their weight back" - I'm not sure where the supporting data is on that since I can't seem to find it. But if you would be so kind to point me in the right direction, I would be obliged.

Matt and Suzie did gain some - but Suzie had a baby - and Matt gained some "sympathy" pounds. But not like a huge portion of their weight - and they are still looking great, plus they both have each other for encouragement. Plus when you get married, it's a whole new world!

I think that in the "real world" there are a lot of people out there that lose a lot of weight only to gain it back because they let things slide or they tried a diet that was just that a "diet" and not a lifestyle change. Then there are those of us where episodes in our life take over and eating right is one of the last things on our mind.

I'm not sure I get why you really care - they aren't your customers/clients. And from what I've gathered you are a personal trainer (?) I don't see many of us in here jumping on the bandwagon to exercise like mad just because of the Biggest Loser. It is entertainment value. These people get their "15 min. of fame" and then we will forget about them - just like any other reality show.

I think most people that come here to discuss this thread do so for the entertainment purposes. Yeah these are real people, but it was their choice. You could try to find out how to contact them, I guess, and then see if you can help them with the psychological feelings about the whole situation. I mean you are a counselor of sorts too (it sounds like?)

And how many clients have you had? How long have you been in the biz? What's your background? I would just like to know I guess. I've read through your journal and not really figured out just what it is you do, besides give some people on here a hard time about their choices.... and obviously you are judging people you don't even know (the contestants on the biggest loser, etc...)



I don't really know...:gives a who gives a durn look: :rolleyes:
 
SweatPea said:
I've seen threads on here where supposedly "most of them have gained their weight back" - I'm not sure where the supporting data is on that since I can't seem to find it. But if you would be so kind to point me in the right direction, I would be obliged.

Matt and Suzie did gain some - but Suzie had a baby - and Matt gained some "sympathy" pounds. But not like a huge portion of their weight - and they are still looking great, plus they both have each other for encouragement. Plus when you get married, it's a whole new world!
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it was a time magazine article

http://weight-loss.fitness.com/weight-loss-media/13634-time-magazine-biggest-loser-updates.html
 
I think the point being missed here is Steve is speaking more along the psychological aspects of weight loss in the show.

There are a few problems with the BL, but hey... what do you expect, it's a freaking reality show. IMO, unfortunately due to the show's short airing, it doesn't necessarily give the contestants the proper amount of time to allow the physical change in their bodies to "sink in." (Speaking from experience, it's still taking time for me to realize I'm not 225 anymore.) Need I delve into the concept of the amount of pressure a 300lb+ individual's joints are undergoing in mid-sprint? (knees, ankles, etc) I think not.

Also, there's more to weight loss than just hopping your ass on a treadmill for 8 hrs in the day and watching your food. It's about understanding 1) emotional, 2) social, and 3) psychological factors that prompt us to eat more than we really need. There is just not enough time for these people to really learn and understand this. To be honest, any monkey could lose weight, whether it be 1 to 300 lbs.... but the major challenge is keeping it off.

Oh and as for gaining weight back, here's a UCLA study.




SweatPea said:
And how many clients have you had? How long have you been in the biz? What's your background? I would just like to know I guess. I've read through your journal and not really figured out just what it is you do, besides give some people on here a hard time about their choices.... and obviously you are judging people you don't even know (the contestants on the biggest loser, etc...)
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Sorry, SP... but this was a bit hypocritical don't you think? Speaking from experience, Steve has nothing but the best of intentions, so I can truthfully say he is the LEAST judgmental person here at the site. Sure there are times he may come off as being harsh, but have you read some of the questions/ posts these people write? If anything, I give him credit for being so damn patient.

-Sheryl
 
SweatPea said:
I don't know why we keep tit-for-tatting over this, it was their decision. Not yours nor mine. And for the most part it got them to lose weight - not sit on their couch and whine about it. And then generally they go home and lose more weight - so it must've motivated them to some degree cause even the losers will lose weight on their own.

I've seen threads on here where supposedly "most of them have gained their weight back" - I'm not sure where the supporting data is on that since I can't seem to find it. But if you would be so kind to point me in the right direction, I would be obliged.

Matt and Suzie did gain some - but Suzie had a baby - and Matt gained some "sympathy" pounds. But not like a huge portion of their weight - and they are still looking great, plus they both have each other for encouragement. Plus when you get married, it's a whole new world!

I think that in the "real world" there are a lot of people out there that lose a lot of weight only to gain it back because they let things slide or they tried a diet that was just that a "diet" and not a lifestyle change. Then there are those of us where episodes in our life take over and eating right is one of the last things on our mind.

I'm not sure I get why you really care - they aren't your customers/clients. And from what I've gathered you are a personal trainer (?) I don't see many of us in here jumping on the bandwagon to exercise like mad just because of the Biggest Loser. It is entertainment value. These people get their "15 min. of fame" and then we will forget about them - just like any other reality show.

I think most people that come here to discuss this thread do so for the entertainment purposes. Yeah these are real people, but it was their choice. You could try to find out how to contact them, I guess, and then see if you can help them with the psychological feelings about the whole situation. I mean you are a counselor of sorts too (it sounds like?)

And how many clients have you had? How long have you been in the biz? What's your background? I would just like to know I guess. I've read through your journal and not really figured out just what it is you do, besides give some people on here a hard time about their choices.... and obviously you are judging people you don't even know (the contestants on the biggest loser, etc...)



I don't really know...:gives a who gives a durn look: :rolleyes:
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2 words:

Screw

and

You.

This thread was about a very interesting topic.

Not you.

Not me.

You've decided to make it something personal, which is beyond fallicious. Stick to the topic at hand.

And don't pass personal judgement on me again.
 
MsGhettoBooty said:
I think the point being missed here is Steve is speaking more along the psychological aspects of weight loss in the show.

There are a few problems with the BL, but hey... what do you expect, it's a freaking reality show. IMO, unfortunately due to the show's short airing, it doesn't necessarily give the contestants the proper amount of time to allow the physical change in their bodies to "sink in." (Speaking from experience, it's still taking time for me to realize I'm not 225 anymore.) Need I delve into the concept of the amount of pressure a 300lb+ individual's joints are undergoing in mid-sprint? (knees, ankles, etc) I think not.

Also, there's more to weight loss than just hopping your ass on a treadmill for 8 hrs in the day and watching your food. It's about understanding 1) emotional, 2) social, and 3) psychological factors that prompt us to eat more than we really need. There is just not enough time for these people to really learn and understand this. To be honest, any monkey could lose weight, whether it be 1 to 300 lbs.... but the major challenge is keeping it off.
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Well said Sheryl! There are a lot of psychological and sociological aspects that a person needs the time to adjust too throughout the journey of losing weight.

I don't know if they do behind the scenes but it does not seem like it. The people on this show seem like they would benefit from also have some sort of counseling from a professional as they are going through this. This is a process that is going to change their lives in many ways. A lot of change within in a short period of time has a huge emotional and psychological impact. Whether it is a positive or a negative change.

As for Steve...

He may seem harsh sometimes... but it can be deserved. He is actually very patient, helpful, and knowledgable!
 
MsGhettoBooty said:
I think the point being missed here is Steve is speaking more along the psychological aspects of weight loss in the show.

There are a few problems with the BL, but hey... what do you expect, it's a freaking reality show.
Yeah, that was one of my points.


IMO, unfortunately due to the show's short airing, it doesn't necessarily give the contestants the proper amount of time to allow the physical change in their bodies to "sink in." (Speaking from experience, it's still taking time for me to realize I'm not 225 anymore.) Need I delve into the concept of the amount of pressure a 300lb+ individual's joints are undergoing in mid-sprint? (knees, ankles, etc) I think not.
Yes, but they've seen other episodes, etc. I know that I would not want to do workouts like that and at this point in my life I've only got 30 lbs to go for a healthy weight for me. At one time I was over 200 lbs too. Even then I wouldn't have watched the show and "thought - you know that is something I'd really like to do!" I used to be in martial arts and we've had some big guys in there (pushing 300 lbs as well.) And it was all in their mind what they could and couldn't do.

Also, there's more to weight loss than just hopping your ass on a treadmill for 8 hrs in the day and watching your food. It's about understanding 1) emotional, 2) social, and 3) psychological factors that prompt us to eat more than we really need. There is just not enough time for these people to really learn and understand this. To be honest, any monkey could lose weight, whether it be 1 to 300 lbs.... but the major challenge is keeping it off.

Yeah my dog hops on the treadmill every once in awhile (when we make him in the winter to get in his daily walks) but I've yet to see him lose weight.

Oh and as for gaining weight back, here's a UCLA study.



I know all about those studies as well...and I do know that the BL is not the best atmosphere for losing weight, but it's a show for goodness sakes...not people on here that we are suppose to be supporting. I think the original OP started this thread to discuss the show not the moralities of it.



Sorry, SP... but this was a bit hypocritical don't you think? Speaking from experience, Steve has nothing but the best of intentions, so I can truthfully say he is the LEAST judgmental person here at the site. Sure there are times he may come off as being harsh, but have you read some of the questions/ posts these people write? If anything, I give him credit for being so damn patient.

-Sheryl
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I was asking for his qualifications - that is all - maybe my "tone" was off to you, but I was asking for his qualifications. Where is the harm in that?
 
Steve said:
2 words:

Screw

and

You.

This thread was about a very interesting topic.

Not you.

Not me.

You've decided to make it something personal, which is beyond fallicious. Stick to the topic at hand.

And don't pass personal judgement on me again.
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Ha, aren't we getting our panties in a wad? I asked you a few simple questions and you take this approach as your answer? I didn't pass personal judgment. I was speaking from what I see in here as to how you jump on people that don't see things your way.

All I'm saying is it is a freaking show for goodness sakes. Like Big Brothers or The Bachelor. I mean this thread was open for discussion, but you jump on us who watch it like we think it is the "answer" to losing weight. We are watching it for entertainment.

Even at 30 lbs overweight I would never think "oh man, I so wish I could go on that show!" No way, nuh-uh! I think they know what they are getting into and they know their limits. I have friend who is really overweight and he's got knee problems already, I didn't see him sign up for the biggest loser...and I know he knows it wouldn't be good for him - in the short or long run.

Those people signed up to help themselves...whether it's the right way or the wrong way, at least it's a way and they aren't sitting at home gorging themselves.
 
Boam46 said:
Well said Sheryl! There are a lot of psychological and sociological aspects that a person needs the time to adjust too throughout the journey of losing weight.

I don't know if they do behind the scenes but it does not seem like it. The people on this show seem like they would benefit from also have some sort of counseling from a professional as they are going through this. This is a process that is going to change their lives in many ways. A lot of change within in a short period of time has a huge emotional and psychological impact. Whether it is a positive or a negative change.

As for Steve...

He may seem harsh sometimes... but it can be deserved. He is actually very patient, helpful, and knowledgable!
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I don't watch it intently and pay that much attention to it...sometimes I fast forward thru the boring parts of it. But don't they say that these people have some sort of counseling before hand to know what they are getting themselves into? I seem to remember that at the beginning.

And as far as Steve's patience, I've seen very little of it. I would never say what he said to anyone - not here on the board and not in real life no matter if they ticked me off. There are better ways to use words.
 
Morning,

I only discovered 'The Biggest Loser' during last summer! Brief background - I mentally turned the key in my mind to get healthy back in December, and have been on that road since. I've done it by researching online what would work best for me, and then plowing forward to make it so.

I like watching TBL for the entertainment value. I related a lot to some contestants wanting to drop out; I mentally had times during my own journey where only by repeating to myself, I can DO this (screaming it silently sometime, I might add :) ) was I able to continue onwards.

Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can really harness your inner strength.

I think anything that gets people motivated, be it to embrace a lifestyle or simply take the first step to making a decision to change a lifestyle, is a good thing.

And about Steve, gosh, I've found him to be one of the most helpful folks online! Regarding credentials, one can easily read all of his posts or visit his pages etc. Research! 'Tis one of the best ways to get educated wrt to getting healthy.

Data points,

iaf
 
SweatPea said:
I used to be in martial arts and we've had some big guys in there (pushing 300 lbs as well.) And it was all in their mind what they could and couldn't do.

I do know that the BL is not the best atmosphere for losing weight, but it's a show for goodness sakes...not people on here that we are suppose to be supporting. I think the original OP started this thread to discuss the show not the moralities of it.

I was asking for his qualifications - that is all - maybe my "tone" was off to you, but I was asking for his qualifications. Where is the harm in that?
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"Mind over Matter." Yup... I'm a Psychology nerd, so I'm aware of such concept. However, we're talking about taking "John" - the 300+lb male who has lived a sedentary life for the past 10 years, and telling him "Hey even though you lose your breath after walking 10 mins around your neighborhood, we want you to sprint up that mountain, so get a move on! Oh and as for knee pain... it's all in your mind." Ummm yah... As for martial arts, I've been training in Mixed Martial Arts (grappling, submission holds, etc), Muay Thai Kickboxing, as well as boxing for a few years. Sure.. you can have 300 lb guys in those type of classes, but for the most part, a lot of them have been conditioned for this type of activity.

As for the OP creating this thread, it's a general open forum as to what you think about the show. There are no guideliness about keeping "moralities" of the show out of discussion. If anything, I think it's great people are really voicing their opinion about the show, regardless what others think. (Since most think the show is great.)

Okay... now as for the "tone comment"... Obviously you didn't believe there was any harm in your post. But seriously, how can you not see that as a personal attack on Steve? It went from the show.. the show.. then directly to Steve's qualifications. I'm sorry, but I read that and it pissed me off. Your barrage of questions was uncalled for and in bad taste IMO. If you paid any attention to this site, then you would know that Steve has been giving free, educational advice (both fitness and nutrition wise) to just about anyone. Not only that, he's like the freaking "greeter at the WLF newcomers" section. (Getting people motivated and making them feel welcome from the get go is so important.) There are tons of forums online that have so called trainers trying to give advice and believe me, they wouldn't know their ass from their face. Luckily, this forum isn't one of them.

-Sheryl

PS Hell, if I lived in PA, you betcha believe it, I'd have Steve as my CPT.
 
SweatPea said:
I was asking for his qualifications - that is all - maybe my "tone" was off to you, but I was asking for his qualifications. Where is the harm in that?
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Your tone was off to a lot more people than just her.

And as far as Steve's patience, I've seen very little of it. I would never say what he said to anyone - not here on the board and not in real life no matter if they ticked me off. There are better ways to use words.
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And keep the personal attacks and judgments coming... it does wonders in proving a point.

I've read through your journal and not really figured out just what it is you do, besides give some people on here a hard time about their choices.... and obviously you are judging people you don't even know (the contestants on the biggest loser, etc...)
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You've read through my journal and this is what you 'figured out?'

Haha.... I suggest you take another look.

This time, instead of reading, try this marvelous little concept called comprehension.

And how many clients have you had? How long have you been in the biz? What's your background? I would just like to know I guess.
Qualifications, hmm......
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Ok, ok..... I get it. You don't like me. That's fine. And you want to keep this as a very personal discussion. That's fine too.

I've got two degrees in unrelated fields.

I'm certified by the NSCA which is arguably the premier certifying body for PT. Truthfully I think they're all garbage.

I'm in the midst of obtaining my masters in exercise science.

I've worked with a lot more people than you, I know that. How many? I'm not real sure. Never kept tabs. I started training while I was in college. I've got enough hands on experience that I'm confident in what I do. I also have enough books smarts to back up claims that I make and apply science/fact to real world situations.

I know I've helped more people lose weight than you.... yet here you are asking for my qualifications when I see you running around the forum spouting off advice.

What qualifications do you have?

I'll also add that I've taken myself out of the gym setting more than a few times to work with people larger than the contestants you see on the BL. I have enough experience working with big people to warrant an opinion of substance.

I don't know why we keep tit-for-tatting over this, it was their decision. Not yours nor mine.
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Oh, that's what you are doing.

I was conversing. With everyone. Not just you. It's something adults do. Well most are capable anyhow. Take yourself off the pedestal.

I'm not sure I get why you really care - they aren't your customers/clients.
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Yea, it's a funny thing. I actually WORK in this industry and I've seen the show's impact on the perceptions of many of it's uneducated viewers. I actually care about large scale 'institutions' in the weight loss industry that impact the people I work with.

I think most people that come here to discuss this thread do so for the entertainment purposes. Yeah these are real people, but it was their choice. You could try to find out how to contact them, I guess, and then see if you can help them with the psychological feelings about the whole situation. I mean you are a counselor of sorts too (it sounds like?)
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Bravo, your brilliance shines so brightly here.

Again, you seem to missing the fact that what's been discussed in this thread is not about you and it is not about me.

I'm down here with the rest of the members of this forum. When you want to step down off the horse you rode in on to save this community from the torrent of abuse I inflict, please feel free to.
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I'm really pissed off that I feel the need to explain myself to you b/c frankly, it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

This thread was started to discuss the Biggest Loser. As far as I know, there are no rules stating in what 'light' we have to discuss it. The OP has contributed to the discussions so I'm pretty sure she isn't offended.

It always amazes me when adults can't handle themselves in a conversation. It's almost as if I was personally attacking you. Insecure much? LOL.

I could care less what more you have to say. I've talked to quite a few people this morning now and everyone agreed that they had no idea where you were coming from with your ridiculous post. As long as everyone who reads the full thread understands what happened... that's all I care about.

You've done a very good job at proving your intent and lack of substance to add to the conversation.

What you've done here is tantamount to saying, "I don't like the topic that Steve is talking about or the way he is handling himself, so I am going to try and make him look like a fool by calling out his personal credentials and lack of knowledge."

You can bark all you like about your intentions of the post... but you said specific things that made it very clear the true intentions. You can paint a picture all you like... that's not going to change anyone's perceptions who actually know me.

You honestly believe I've done more harm than good in this community?

If you haven't been around long enough to answer that question, maybe you should keep your mouth shut before running it into something that's uncalled for and unnecessary.

The number of people who have said something about me personally in a negative light around here I can count on one hand. I've been here quite a while and made well over 5000 posts. That doesn't say something about your accusations?

I'll also add that most of those who have said something personally insulting toward me are no longer a member of this community, thankfully.

If you want to continue down the path of discussing an unrelated topic (me), please feel free to stop by my journal. I'd love to chit chat with you.

But realize, I do enjoy rationality, which is yet to be seen here. If you like to discuss or even debate a particular topic... by all means. But if you want to turn it into a personal assault, I have no interest.

Point of order: disagreement is not disrespect no matter how much you want it to be.

If you can point to anything I said that addressed you individually (as a personal attack) as opposed to the topic at hand, I will gladly apologize on the spot.

Presenting a cogent, reasoned argument is not disrespect in any circle that wishes to be taken seriously.

Unfortunately some people simply do not like the truth and will scramble for whatever means they can find to disarm the person disagreeing, which includes disagreement masquerading as a feigned "disrespect".

I hate the fact that I took the time to type that. But I also hate the fact that you brought my character into question in a simple conversation.

I'm done. I'm sure you'll add your last word, which is fine. The truth will fall on rational ears though.
 
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Steve said:
Wow, if you don't feel like reading a thread, just stay out of it.

Why feel the need to add something like this?
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I completely agree with ya, Steve. There is absolutely no need for incivility and telling people to stfu b/c they are discussing something. If you don't want to read a thread--don't. No need to get rude. And as for the stuff that Sweatpea said, I just have no idea where that came from. I didn't see anything at all in this thread that warranted the things she said. I thought it was completely civil and saw no "tit-for-tat" going on. I mean, it's a discussion. There's going to be a bit of "tit-for-tat," but I saw nothing in your posts to support her claims. If anything, just the opposite.
 
MsGhettoBooty said:


"Mind over Matter." Yup... I'm a Psychology nerd, so I'm aware of such concept. However, we're talking about taking "John" - the 300+lb male who has lived a sedentary life for the past 10 years, and telling him "Hey even though you lose your breath after walking 10 mins around your neighborhood, we want you to sprint up that mountain, so get a move on! Oh and as for knee pain... it's all in your mind." Ummm yah... As for martial arts, I've been training in Mixed Martial Arts (grappling, submission holds, etc), Muay Thai Kickboxing, as well as boxing for a few years. Sure.. you can have 300 lb guys in those type of classes, but for the most part, a lot of them have been conditioned for this type of activity.

As for the OP creating this thread, it's a general open forum as to what you think about the show. There are no guideliness about keeping "moralities" of the show out of discussion. If anything, I think it's great people are really voicing their opinion about the show, regardless what others think. (Since most think the show is great.)

Okay... now as for the "tone comment"... Obviously you didn't believe there was any harm in your post. But seriously, how can you not see that as a personal attack on Steve? It went from the show.. the show.. then directly to Steve's qualifications. I'm sorry, but I read that and it pissed me off. Your barrage of questions was uncalled for and in bad taste IMO. If you paid any attention to this site, then you would know that Steve has been giving free, educational advice (both fitness and nutrition wise) to just about anyone. Not only that, he's like the freaking "greeter at the WLF newcomers" section. (Getting people motivated and making them feel welcome from the get go is so important.) There are tons of forums online that have so called trainers trying to give advice and believe me, they wouldn't know their ass from their face. Luckily, this forum isn't one of them.

-Sheryl

PS Hell, if I lived in PA, you betcha believe it, I'd have Steve as my CPT.
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Actually he brought himself into this - by mentioning his clients. That's why I asked him about his qualifications.
 
Steve said:
Your tone was off to a lot more people than just her.



And keep the personal attacks and judgments coming... it does wonders in proving a point. I was referring to your patience as far as saying: "two word: Screw and You" What kind of patience did it take to just tell me what your qualifications are? I'm still not understanding why you can't answer the original question. And by the way keep the negative reps coming, I could give less of a thought about them. I came here for support not for my posts getting knocked or not getting knocked.




You've read through my journal and this is what you 'figured out?'

Haha.... I suggest you take another look.

This time, instead of reading, try this marvelous little concept called comprehension.

Why can't you just come out and say what your qualifications are? I've got a Bachelor's of Science degree in elementary education...am I qualified to give information here? Not so much, but I am qualified to give support as someone who has lost weight and needs to continue doing so... I think so. I can't say I figured anything out by reading your journal.



Ok, ok..... I get it. You don't like me. That's fine. And you want to keep this as a very personal discussion. That's fine too. And I never said I don't like you, I just don't always like your "tone" - to me it seems like you know it all. And maybe you do...I sure know that I don't. I don't take on the tone that makes me Ms. Know-it-all. I guess you're right about one thing, I'm not one of your followers. And it's not because I know you or anything like that...it's because of your "tone."

I've got two degrees in unrelated fields.

I'm certified by the NSCA which is arguably the premier certifying body for PT. Truthfully I think they're all garbage.

I'm in the midst of obtaining my masters in exercise science.

I've worked with a lot more people than you, I know that. How many? I'm not real sure. Never kept tabs. I started training while I was in college. I've got enough hands on experience that I'm confident in what I do. I also have enough books smarts to back up claims that I make and apply science/fact to real world situations.

I know I've helped more people lose weight than you.... yet here you are asking for my qualifications when I see you running around the forum spouting off advice.
And how do you know that you've helped a lot more people than me to lose weight? Just because you are a certified trainer and I am not doesn't mean you have helped more people - it just means that's your job and that's what you do. I have been on my share of weight loss forums and I know that a lot of people benefit from my support of them with their weight loss endeavors.

What qualifications do you have? As far as coaching people to lose weight none, but I'm not ashamed to say so...see now it wasn't that hard for you to come out with your qualifications either.

I'll also add that I've taken myself out of the gym setting more than a few times to work with people larger than the contestants you see on the BL. I have enough experience working with big people to warrant an opinion of substance.

That's wonderful, this is a show we are talking about - and they only reason I brought it more to a "personal" level was because of all your talk about your clients.





Oh, that's what you are doing.

I was conversing. With everyone. Not just you. It's something adults do. Well most are capable anyhow. Take yourself off the pedestal.



Yea, it's a funny thing. I actually WORK in this industry and I've seen the show's impact on the perceptions of many of it's uneducated viewers. I actually care about large scale 'institutions' in the weight loss industry that impact the people I work with.



Bravo, your brilliance shines so brightly here.

Again, you seem to missing the fact that what's been discussed in this thread is not about you and it is not about me.

I'm down here with the rest of the members of this forum. When you want to step down off the horse you rode in on to save this community from the torrent of abuse I inflict, please feel free to.
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I'm really pissed off that I feel the need to explain myself to you b/c frankly, it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

This thread was started to discuss the Biggest Loser. As far as I know, there are no rules stating in what 'light' we have to discuss it. The OP has contributed to the discussions so I'm pretty sure she isn't offended.

It always amazes me when adults can't handle themselves in a conversation. It's almost as if I was personally attacking you. Insecure much? LOL.

I could care less what more you have to say. I've talked to quite a few people this morning now and everyone agreed that they had no idea where you were coming from with your ridiculous post. As long as everyone who reads the full thread understands what happened... that's all I care about.

You've done a very good job at proving your intent and lack of substance to add to the conversation.

What you've done here is tantamount to saying, "I don't like the topic that Steve is talking about or the way he is handling himself, so I am going to try and make him look like a fool by calling out his personal credentials and lack of knowledge."

You can bark all you like about your intentions of the post... but you said specific things that made it very clear the true intentions. You can paint a picture all you like... that's not going to change anyone's perceptions who actually know me.

You honestly believe I've done more harm than good in this community?

If you haven't been around long enough to answer that question, maybe you should keep your mouth shut before running it into something that's uncalled for and unnecessary.

The number of people who have said something about me personally in a negative light around here I can count on one hand. I've been here quite a while and made well over 5000 posts. That doesn't say something about your accusations?

I'll also add that most of those who have said something personally insulting toward me are no longer a member of this community, thankfully.

If you want to continue down the path of discussing an unrelated topic (me), please feel free to stop by my journal. I'd love to chit chat with you.

But realize, I do enjoy rationality, which is yet to be seen here. If you like to discuss or even debate a particular topic... by all means. But if you want to turn it into a personal assault, I have no interest.

Point of order: disagreement is not disrespect no matter how much you want it to be.

If you can point to anything I said that addressed you individually (as a personal attack) as opposed to the topic at hand, I will gladly apologize on the spot.

Presenting a cogent, reasoned argument is not disrespect in any circle that wishes to be taken seriously.

Unfortunately some people simply do not like the truth and will scramble for whatever means they can find to disarm the person disagreeing, which includes disagreement masquerading as a feigned "disrespect".

I hate the fact that I took the time to type that. But I also hate the fact that you brought my character into question in a simple conversation.

I'm done. I'm sure you'll add your last word, which is fine. The truth will fall on rational ears though.
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Yes I am the queen and I will jump down from my pedestal now. We will agree to disagree.. It's a show for entertainment. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I'd go thru the rest of your post, but I got to go pick my kiddo up from school.

TATA for now.
 
1. Screw you again.

2. You are awesome.

3. You are magic, you can read 'tone' through the Internet!!

4. You've helped more people than me, I bow down to your authority. Motivation and coddling is great. Keep it up, you are making a difference. I'm actually recommending you change fields and become a trainer immediately. Your talent is being wasted.

5. Yup, the above is stated to keep your fragile ego intact. :)

6. So when you go slinging verbal assault on me mixed with a question pertaining to my qualifications, you expect me to answer first, before saying screw you next time? Mentally noted.

7. I didn't understand this last post of yours. You repeated the same question about it being hard for me to give you my qualifications when I stated them very obviously in this thread. And like it took me long to begin with, haha. Wake up. You insulted me. I said screw you. You insulted me some more. I gave you an answer. If you ask me, you got your answer quicker than you should have.

8. You are fun to play with. You live in a bubble, don't you? Everything in that bubble is pretty flowers and fluttering butterflies and you are just perfect.

Welcome to reality.

Screw you.
 
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