Biggest Loser "Couples"

Interesting interview with former contestent and Lyle McDonald:

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A few weeks ago, I made a comment about the tv show the Biggest Loser in the newsletter (for those not familiar with the show, it's a reality show dealing with weight loss that has both an Australian and US version).

In response, a former contestant sent me the following comments and told me that, with a few names removed, I could run it in the newsletter. I'm going to run it almost like an interview with his comments (in bold) followed by any comments I have about it.
I think what he sent is interesting as it points out
1. What can be accomplished in a short period when you put your mind to it
2. How unrealistic some of the changes on the show actually are relative to normal people.

In that vein, here's an interesting article about the show.


BL: I know that obese people are not your target audience but for anyon who cares, we worked out 4 hours per day 6 days per week. That started on day 2. Day 1 we worked out 2.5 hours. That is from sedentary to 2. hours.

We did 1 hour cardio in the morning and 1 in the evening by ourselves and the trainer came in every afternoon for two hours to put us through a circuit resistance based routine for an hour and sometimes her own crazy cardio routine for an hour or we did that third cardio hour on our own also. We never worked out intensely for more than 2 hours at a
time.

My comments: As I'm sure I've mentioned before in the newsletter (and brought up in at least one of my books), research in general has not supported exercise having a humongous impact on bodyweight. However, a lot of studies have used fairly moderate amounts of exercise in this regards. In contrast, large volumes of exercise, and the above can only be considered a 'large volume', especially coming from essentially a sedentary life, can have a fairly large impact.


BL: Our goal was to lose 1lb per day (3500 calories). Our particular trainers philosophy was that she was going to BURN it off you in the gym and if you had a poor day in the gym the VERY first question that was asked was "Did you eat". It had to be pounded into us that we had to eat. It seemed counterintuitive for many of us in a weight loss contest but it proved itself out when a teammate of mine upped his workouts to 6 hours per day and shrank his food to 500 calories per day (on his own) and only lost 3 pounds in 7 days while everyone else averaged 7-10.


My comments: This is an interesting idea as it's something I noted years ago and have commented on previously. The combination of lots of exercise with big caloric deficits tends to work extremely poorly and seem to slow instead of hasten fat loss for some reason. This is part of why I strongly recommended against lots of exercise in the Rapid Fat Loss handbook; the deficit inherent to the diet is already large enough to the point that adding a bunch of training seems to cause more harm than good. I don't know if the issue is simply metabolic slowdown or if there's something else going on (this my current new project now that the protein book is finally done) but I've seen it happen time and time again: excessive caloric deficits plus excessive amounts of exercise seem to do more harm than good. If you are burning a lot of calories through exercise, you have to eat. If you want to cut calories hard, you have to reduce activity.


BL: So that was a 75-25% Cardio to resistance training mix. Man what the body can do when it has the right trainer to push it. This years contestants work out even more (I went back to the show and worked out with them for 3.5 hours on an off camera day and they still had an evening workout to go). Of course your secluded, no phone, no newspapers, no internet - just you and other fatties so what else you going to do except the hated TV stuff, interviews challenges etc.?

My comments: I think that last point is a good one, another reason why some of what can be done on the show is unrealistic to normal people. Between the huge motivation to win (big money, fame) and basically being locked up where all there is to do is exercise, putting in huge amounts of training is much easier. Especially compared to the average person who is dealing with work, home, family, etc. and probably doesn't have 4 hours per day to exercise.

I also think it's interesting that the main focus is on cardio training especially with the recent tendency towards weight training based fat loss approaches. No matter how you cut it, 3 hours of cardio per day burns far far far more calories than 45 minutes of weight training, regardless of the type (or any small calorie burn afterwards).

I'd also add that, for extremly overweight individuals (who typically gain LBM as they get fat), weight training wouldn't seem to have much of a huge benefit. Possibly if it's done with higher reps/circuit style (to burn more calories, deplete muscle glycogen, etc.). But fatter individuals don't usually have to worry so much about muscle loss in the first place, pounding them with low rep heavy work just doesn't make much sense.
 
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BL: We typically worked out at 75-90% of our max. heart rate based on the 220 formula WITH our trainer and 65-85% of our max. when on our own. The quality of the 'on our own' workouts usually had to do with external factors like music and fatigue from filming etc. We physically could have done 75-90% on our own but it gets AWFULLY boring!

My comments: One or two studies have found that results are superior with exercise with a trainer; one even found that simply having the trainer stand nearby (without actually doing anything) improved results. This is one very potential benefit of having a regular trainer (or a good training partner), motivation to work harder may mean better and/or faster results.


BL: We cooked all our own food based on the nutrition advice of the trainer (so again individual expertise varies)

Vital stats
Day 1
Resting Heart rate 89-92 bpm
Blood Pressure - 150/90
Pre-diabetic blah blah blah all the other stuff that comes along with being 51% body fat!

AFTER 14 DAYS (equivalent of 2 months in the real world)!!

Resting heart rate 62 bpm
Blood pressure 102/60
Blood sugar normal.

(PS Today 2 years later - it is around the same)

My comments: Frankly this is hard to even believe. Given how much medication is used to treat such things as high blood pressure and insulin resistance, clearly activity and weight loss can have absolutely massive effects. What surprises me the most is the time frame that these changes occurred in.


BL: It is also interesting that the work on the ranch really breaks down to the exact numbers that people see in real life. IE The 'national' average for someone who watches what they eat and works out 6 days per week is approx. 8-10 lb. of weight loss per month(6 days x 4 weeks = 24 hours per month). This same math works out on the ranch 6 days per week x 4 hours per day = 24 hours per WEEK = 8-10 lb. per WEEK. We just condensed a months worth of workouts into a weeks time.

My comments: Frankly, looking at a lot of studies of exercise or diet, many would be thrilled to be getting 8-10 lb/month of weight or fat loss. But I agree generally with the sentiment above, given that attention to diet, a loss of 8-10 lb./month for someone who isn't already very lean is probably attainable. That that amount of weight is compressed into 1/4th the time tends to support that the results on the Biggest Loser are extremely atypical.


BL: For reference - While a TV episode is 7 days in length that is not the case behind the scenes. So some 'weeks' the numbers are larger because some weeks we had 14 days between weigh ins. My season if you lasted until the final day you would be on the ranch 101 days (I got voted off on episode 7 and lost 83 pounds in 62 days) This season is it like 121 days start to finish. And all that gets condensed into a 12-14 weeks show airing schedule.

My comments: This is a bit deceptive on the part of the show in my opinion since it's made to appear that these massive weight losses are occurring every 7 days which clearly they are not.


BL: By the way - Losing and Maintaining are TWO ENTIRELY different problems. My goal now is to keep my cardiovascular system in shape (I love to run) AND build muscle while watching what I eat. So I have had to experiment with tons of exercise routines and programs and play with my diet to no end to learn myself. Oh and I teach on some this stuff so I read a lot.

My comments: This is an exceptionally important point that is often lost. What is done during active weight loss neither has to be nor should it be the same as what's done during weight maintenance. As I point out in both the Rapid Fat Loss handbook and the Guide to Flexible dieting, most research has found that exercise (and quite a bit of it) is actually more important for weight maintenance than loss. Of course, sticking in the long-term with dietary changes is critical as well.



BL: Today - I take in approx. 2500 calories per day and when I am on-point I eat more proteins and fats then carbs. When I 'fall off the wagon' I still stay within my calorie range but I will have more carbs and salt and carbs require 2.7 grams of water for every 1 gram of carbs and salt makes you retain water blah blah blah. People are still amazed that I can drop 10 pounds in a week (I call it 'fake' weight loss) and they don't understand that it comes by simply cutting out the extra carbs and salt while drinking a gallon of water per day and that sheds all the extra water in your body. But I realize that I HAVE to track what I eat or eat the same thing every day which is boring. I teach others what I have learned and I quote some smart guy about those who estimate calories underestimate by 25-50% so keep a food diary/log!

In the interest of full disclosure: We do what boxers and wrestlers do and people gain the weight back after the show because they do not STAY in learning mode.


My comments: Anybody who's played around with lowcarb diets (especially of the cyclical kind) is probably aware of the kinds of water shifts that can occur with such diets. What I think is lost on some people is the sheer magnitude of water that can be gained or lost, especially in larger individuals. The article I linked at the start of the newsletter refers to this and this seasons show had a good example, where one contestant deliberately gained 17 lb. (by drinking 2 gallons of water) so that he could then lose a massive 33 lb. at the next weigh in.
 
sometimes i wonder if i should even watch the show. i like seeing everyone lose weight but i think they way they too it dangerous and is never going to work long term. i know people personally who watch this and think that they can do it too, at home. i know its their own fault for being so stupid but it still bothers me that this show seems to promote what i think is unhealthy behavior and completely unrealistic results. but thats just my two cents.
 
It makes you wonder how out of proportion they(the producers) made his eating look. Maybe there was some exercising and healthy eating they didn't show to add drama? lol I love the drama;) It bugs me though that they manipulate the show for ratings. They just gloss over some stuff I think is so important.... like how he lost that weight! hope it doesn't give anyone the wrong impression.... like you will eat chicken wings and drink cokes and still lose weight... that's a slippery slope. It will be fascinating to see him at the finale!

Well, if you all didn't notice... but I'm sure you did, he was only actually give one plate of chicken. They just looped it to make it seem like more. And who know's he probably shared it with his girlfriend (whom I think looks alot like his ex wife Kelly). Oooh.. but I was getting upset at his family. They were the only ones they showed who were teasing him with the superdooper extra large chocolate cake. Talk about people who are proud you are losing weight but unknowingly/knowingly help you fail.
 
Quite a few people share your view.

My stance is ever-changing on the topic. However, I do know the show has gotten more people up off their asses than most anything else the media has put out.

It's shown obese people what hard work and diet manipulation *can* do for them.

Sure, it's not what one should expect in reality. For those who do expect it, they're just stupid. Unless you are running your life like a damn bootcamp and you've got like-minded people around you constantly, plus you have hours of free time to dedicate each and every single day to exercise.... you can't expect these kind of results.

Losing a pound per day is a bit much in my eyes unless you are bordering 600 lbs. But these big bodies that you see can lose quick rates of weight loss without many negative consequences..... so I really don't have an issue with it in terms of health.

I don't like some of the exercise prescriptions I see concerning high impact force coupled with very high body weights.

I've talked about this a lot in the other BL thread.

I just think it was cool to see an inside-perspective from a cool guy, unlike that other tard of a contestent that showed up on this forum looking for business.
 
I don't like some of the exercise prescriptions I see concerning high impact force coupled with very high body weights.

This was something I noticed when I first started watching. I couldn't believe the things they were doing at their weight. This week one of the guys was holding dumbells and jumping over the weight bench. I didn't think it was such a great idea for someone of his size. He took a pretty painful looking fall once he really got into it.
 
I do have to say though I think some people underestimate what they can really do if they put the time in. When I was 240 I would have NEVER thought I could run like some of those people do! Actually I still feel that way:rolleyes: lol but it is amazing to see those big people just kick butt at working out. It really made me aware of how strong the human body is and how it can rise to the challenge if you need it to. I think the show is great inspiration.... even if I am not training bootcamp style:gnorsi: and I like the way they have added little diet tips and training tips!!!
Thanks Steve for the article!:)
 
When I was 240........
Wow Mishi,
Your start weight was only 10 pounds above my start weight and you LOOK :coolgleamA:AWESOME!!!!:coolgleamA:
You are currently 4 pounds above my goal. If I can look 1/2 as gorgeous as you do when I get there then I will be in heaven.
:hurray:GREAT JOB!!!!:hurray:
 
I watch the show when its on for entertainment purposes etc. But I agree with you Steve you can't seriously think that at home your going to get the same results. It's a show and a game show at that , yes we can probably all survive a weekend camping but can we all last on survivor eating bugs for 2 months Hells no!
But while we're on the subject I have Comcast digital cable and for a change up I'll do some of the free workouts on their "On demand " programs and yesterday I noticed they had a bunch of biggest loser workouts now and I tried their bootcamp cardio level one 20 minutes wooo it was a good workout and I'd hate to see how many levels they go up to cause 1 kicked my but last night!
 
I have seen that comcast thing! How do you access it? lol I have no idea which channel or if it's something you get online?? That would be fun to do!
 
There should be a "on demand "button on your remote or chanel 001, then select sports & fitness , then the excercise tv selection and from there is every type or workout the offer.
 
Anyone else watch last night?

Here's what I thought:

The obstacle course challenge seemed a bit unfair. Four big men against three women and one man wasn't fair in my book. But good for black for finishing together.

When Jillian told Britney she was going to "rip her f***ing arm off and beat her with it," I about spit my mouthful of Crystal Light across the room. That was hilarious! I love Britney (she reminds me of me), but that was funny! I need a trainer to push me that hard.

The young guy on the blue team (for the life of me I can't remember his name - and I haven't missed and episode in weeks!) was pretty cocky and annoying last night. Especially after the challenge. But I guess he still lost the most for his team (even though he did the least amount of work in Vegas) so good for him.

Finally, I am proud of Mark (I think I'm right with this name) for holding to his word and not sending Roger home. At first, I was pretty steamed thinking that Mark and his brother were going to twist what he said two weeks ago...but he held to his word. Could have done without all the man on man hugging and crying though! Not that I have anything against men hugging or crying...but sometimes that show turns into a real sobfest (thankfully we were spared by Kelly this week!)

So what did everyone else think??
 
Anyone else watch last night?

Here's what I thought:

The obstacle course challenge seemed a bit unfair. Four big men against three women and one man wasn't fair in my book. But good for black for finishing together.

When Jillian told Britney she was going to "rip her f***ing arm off and beat her with it," I about spit my mouthful of Crystal Light across the room. That was hilarious! I love Britney (she reminds me of me), but that was funny! I need a trainer to push me that hard.

The young guy on the blue team (for the life of me I can't remember his name - and I haven't missed and episode in weeks!) was pretty cocky and annoying last night. Especially after the challenge. But I guess he still lost the most for his team (even though he did the least amount of work in Vegas) so good for him.

Finally, I am proud of Mark (I think I'm right with this name) for holding to his word and not sending Roger home. At first, I was pretty steamed thinking that Mark and his brother were going to twist what he said two weeks ago...but he held to his word. Could have done without all the man on man hugging and crying though! Not that I have anything against men hugging or crying...but sometimes that show turns into a real sobfest (thankfully we were spared by Kelly this week!)

So what did everyone else think??

I wasn't able to see it last night due to the democratic debate. They are not even planning on airing it here until Saturday. Of course by then I will be at work. So still won't be able to see it until Monday at the earliest. Bah!
Sounds like it was a good one though.
I can't wait to see it.
 
I did tape it, but I watched it picture in picture while "Idol" was on. I saw the weigh ins and the debate about which one of the blue team was leaving. I'm glad to hear that Mark kept his word. I didn't watch the last 30 min. so I didn't know who went home, thanks for letting me know. I didn't think it was fair that Roger be sent home, he lost a lot of weight and Mark lost 1 lb.

Oh and the young kids name is Dan.
 
Yeah, Dan ws being a bit cocky, but hey... he's 21 and was having the best week of his life then... with vegas, the tattoo, and now the trip to puerto rico... Who can blame him? As for Mark, I was sure that he was going to go back on his word. I'm glad that he realized that it wasn't fair for Roger. As for the man on man hugging and crying... lets just say, when Kelly crys I complain and wish she would stop. But Roger and Mark got me crying.

As for what Jillian told Brittney, I'm suprised she didn't yell back at her. I would have been pissed if someone told me that. But hey, it's Jillian, so I guess you gotta get use to it.

Oh... and I'm totally stoked... Learned last night that they are holding Biggest Loser Auditions over here in Arizona in March. I wanna go down and audition because it's my short week at work, but I'm unsure.
 
Oh... and I'm totally stoked... Learned last night that they are holding Biggest Loser Auditions over here in Arizona in March. I wanna go down and audition because it's my short week at work, but I'm unsure.

They were here in NYC the other day, what a turn out! Go for it, you never know.
 
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