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lies das mal:
Hitler`s Children
By William E. Grim
14 August /2002
I'm not Jewish. Nobody in my family died in the
Holocaust. For me, anti-Semitism has always been one
of those phenomena that doesn't really register on my
radar, like tribal genocide in Rwanda, a horrible
thing that happens to someone else.
But I live in a small town outside of Munich on a
street that until May of 1945 was named
Adolf-Hitler-Strasse. I work in Munich, a pleasant
metropolitan city of a little over a million
inhabitants whose Bavarian charm tends to obscure the
fact that this city was the birthplace and capital of
the Nazi movement.
Every day when I go to work I pass by the sites of
apartments Hitler lived in, extant buildings in which
decisions were made to murder millions of innocent
people, and plazas in which book burnings took place,
SS troops paraded and people were executed. The
proximity to evil has a way of concentrating one's
attention, of putting a physical reality to the
textbook narratives of the horrors perpetrated by the
Germans.
Then the little things start to happen that over a
period of time add up to something very sinister. I'm
on a bus and a high school boy passes around Grandpa's
red leather-bound copy of Mein Kampf to his friends
who respond by saying "coooool!" He then takes out a
VCR tape (produced in Switzerland) of "The Great
Speeches of Joseph Goebbels."
A few weeks later I'm at a business meeting with four
young highly educated Germans who are polite, charming
and soft-spoken to say the least. When the subject
matter changes to a business deal with a man in New
York named Rubinstein, their nostrils flair, their
demeanors attain a threatening mien and one of them
actually says, and I'm quoting verbatim here: "The
problem with America is that the Jews have all the
money."
They start laughing and another one says, "Yeah, all
the Jews care about is money."
I found that this type of anti-Semitic reference in my
professional dealings with Germans soon became a
leitmotif (to borrow a term made famous by Richard
Wagner, another notorious German anti-Semite). In my
private meetings with Germans it often happens that
they will loosen up after a while and reveal personal
opinions and political leanings that were thought to
have ceased to exist in a Berlin bunker on April 30,
1945.
Maybe it's because I have blond hair and my last name
is of German origin that the Germans feel that I am,
or could potentially be, "one of them." It shows how
much they understand what it means to be an American.
Whatever the reason, the conversations generally have
one or more of these components:
(1) It was unfortunate that America and Germany fought
each other in World War II because the real enemy was
Russia.
(2) Yes, the Nazis were excessive, but terrible things
happen during wars, and anyway, the scope of the
Holocaust has been greatly exaggerated by the American
media, which is dominated by Jews.
(3) CNN is controlled by American Jews and is
anti-Palestinian. (Yes, I know it sounds incredible,
but even among the most highly intelligent Germans,
even those with a near-native fluency in English,
there is the widespread belief that the news network
founded by Fidel Castro's best friend Ted Turner, who
until recently was married to Hanoi Jane Fonda, is a
hotbed of pro-Israeli propaganda.)
(4) Almost all Germans were opposed to the Third Reich
and nobody in Germany knew anything about the murder
of the Jews, but the Jews themselves were really
responsible for the Holocaust.
(5) Ariel Sharon is worse than Hitler and the Israelis
are Nazis. America supports Israel only because Jews
control the American government and media.
For the first time in my life, then, I became
conscious of anti-Semitism. Sure, anti-Semitism exists
elsewhere in the world, but nowhere have the
consequences been as devastating as in Germany.
Looking at it as objectively as possible, 2002 has
been a banner year for anti-Semitism in Germany.
Synagogues have been firebombed, Jewish cemeteries
desecrated, the No. 1 best-selling novel, Martin
Walser's Death of a Critic, is a thinly-veiled roman a
clef containing a vicious anti-Semitic attack on
Germany's best-known literary critic, Marcel
Reich-Ranicki (who is a survivor of both the Warsaw
ghetto and Auschwitz);
Indeed, the Free Democrat Party has unofficially
adopted anti-Semitism as a campaign tactic to attract
Germany's sizeable Muslim minority; and German
revisionist historians now are beginning to define
German perpetration of World War II and the Holocaust
not as crimes against humanity, but as early battles
(with regrettable but understandable excesses) in the
Cold War against communism.
The situation is so bad that German Jews are advised
not to wear anything in public that would identify
them as Jewish because their safety cannot be
guaranteed.
How can this be? Isn't this the "New Germany" that's
gone 57 years without a Holocaust or even a pogrom,
where truth, justice and the German way prevail amidst
economic wealth, a high standard of living that is the
envy of their European neighbors, and a constitution
guaranteeing freedom for everyone regardless of race,
creed or national origin? What's changed?
The answer is: absolutely nothing.
My thesis is quite simple. While Germany no longer has
the military power to enforce the racist ideology of
the Nazis and while all extreme manifestations of
Nazism are officially outlawed, the internal
conditions -- that is, the attitudes, worldview and
cultural assumptions -- that led to the rise of Nazism
in Germany are still present because they constitute
the basic components of German identity. Nazism was
not an aberration; it was the distillation of the
German psyche into its essential elements.
External Nazism may have been utterly defeated in May
of 1945; internal Nazism, however, remains, and will
always remain, a potential threat as long as there
exists a political and/or cultural entity known as
Germany.
Now hold on a second, I hear many people saying: You
can't possibly claim that Germans are as anti-Semitic
today as they were during the years 1933-1945. It is
true that Germany today is much different than during
the Third Reich. What is different is that due to its
total defeat by the Allies, Germany today is a client
state of America and must do its bidding. That means
repression of overt anti-Semitism. It's bad for
business.
The other thing that has changed is that, even though
Hitler lost World War II, he was phenomenally
successful in carrying out his ideological agenda.
Germany, indeed virtually all of Europe, is
essentially Judenfrei (free of Jews) today due to the
efficiency and zeal of the Germans as they perpetrated
the Holocaust during the Third Reich. In fact, a very
convincing case can be made that Nazism is one of the
most successful political programs of all time. It
accomplished more of its goals in a shorter amount of
time than any other comparable political movement and
permanently changed the face and political structure
of several continents.
Germany is wealthy, stable, relentlessly bourgeois,
and for all intents and purposes free of Jews.
Yes, there is a tiny minority of Jews, mostly centered
in Berlin, and yes, there have been a number of Jews
from the former Soviet Union who have emigrated to
Germany, but most of the immigrants from Russia are
not practicing Jews and do little if anything to
promote a unique Jewish-German identity. The result of
all this is that Germans today are able to reap the
benefits of Hitler's anti-Semitic policies while
paying lip service to the "need to remember."
Young Fritz doesn't have to be overtly anti-Semitic
today because his grandfather's generation did such a
bang-up job of the Holocaust. There just aren't that
many Jews left to hate any more, and besides, the
Germans have their old buddies, the Arabs, to do their
hating for them. You might call the overwhelming
German support for the Palestinians to be a form of
anti-Semitism-by-proxy.
The German government has made cash payments to the
State of Israel, as well as to individual Jews, to
settle claims of murder, torture, false imprisonment,
slave labor and genocide. Talk to most Germans and
you'll soon discover that they think that the score
has been settled between Germany and the Jews, that
somehow the return of just a portion of what the
Germans stole from the Jews is fair recompense for the
deliberate murder of millions of people.
If you think the Germans are truly sorry for what they
did to the Jews, think again. There's never been an
official "tut mir leid" offered by the Germans to the
victims of the Holocaust and their descendants because
that would admit culpability. Germany has paid off all
claims against it without acknowledging responsibility
in the same way that the Ford Motor Company engages in
recalls of automobiles. It's all done to avoid
liability.
I have previously mentioned that Germans
overwhelmingly support the Palestinians as opposed to
the Israelis, and that this overwhelming support
represents a form of anti-Semitism-by-proxy. Germans
may claim to be supporting the Palestinians because
they think they are an "oppressed people," but let's
be honest -- they are supporting the Palestinians and
their Arab handlers because the Palestinians and Arabs
share the same ideals as the Nazis.
There's a long-standing history of German co-operation
with the Arabs. In 1942 Hitler personally assured the
Grand Mufti of Jerusalem that as soon as German forces
conquered Great Britain, the Jews in Palestine (which
was then under control of the British Mandate) would
be exterminated.
We should also keep in mind that the Arab terrorists
who perpetrated the 9/11 atrocities did their planning
in Germany. There are several reasons for this.
The first is the well-known bungling and
de-centralized chaos of the German federal bureaucracy
where literally the "links" hand doesn't know what the
"rechts" hand is doing.
The second is that Arab terrorists can count on a
substantial number of Germans who share their
anti-American and anti-Semitic views.
The former members of the SS and Hitler's praetorian
guards, along with their neo-Nazi supporters, who
gather weekly in Munich beer halls, made Osama bin
Laden an "honorary Aryan" after the 9/11 attack.
Mein Kampf is also a best seller in the Arab world,
especially in Saudi Arabia, America's putative
"friend." Indeed, there is very little difference
between the anti-Semitic rantings of Hitler and those
of the so-called "spiritual leaders" of al-Qaeda,
Hamas, and Fatah.
The Arabs also owe Hitler and the Germans big time.
Hitler killed off the Jews, and Konrad Adenauer and
his "democratic" descendants replaced them with the
Turks. Yes, the Turks aren't Arabs, but they are
Muslim, and although Turkey is a member of NATO and
has relations with Israel, many Turks identify and
support their radical Arab co-religionists. Turkey
remains as fragile a democracy as Weimar Germany
during the 1920s. It wouldn't take much for Turkey to
fall into the dark side of Muslim extremism.
The end result of Muslim immigration into Germany has
been twofold: (1) It allows the Germans to feign
liberalism and being open to freedom and diversity;
and (2) By replacing the Jews they murdered with
Muslims, who for the most part are as viciously
anti-Semitic as were the Nazis, the Germans have
cynically assured that those few Jews who remain in
Germany will be unable to reassert political power
even in a minority role.
A final point I would like to make concerning the
reasons for the resurgence of anti-Semitism in Germany
is one that many will find at odds with the
prima-facie evidence, or even appear to stretch the
boundaries of common sense. Yet, I ask you to consider
carefully my line of reasoning.
In many respects Germany got away with the Holocaust
without paying much of a price. Yes, many Germans died
as a result of German perpetration of World War II and
the Holocaust, and yes, there was much physical
destruction in the country, but the situation is like
the little boy who steals a cookie from the tray when
it is cooling on the kitchen table. For his efforts he
may have gotten his hand slapped by his mother, but
the stolen cookie remains eaten nonetheless.
After having committed the worst crimes in the history
of humankind, the Germans were allowed to regain their
sovereignty after only ten years; their infrastructure
was completely rebuilt thanks to the generosity of
theAmerican people; and relatively few Germans were
brought to trial for their monstrous crimes. Even
those who were tried and convicted received relatively
short sentences or had those reduced or commuted in
general amnesties. For example, some members of the
Einsatzkommandos, those Germans who, before the
construction of the death camps, hunted and murdered
Jews by the hundreds of thousands, received sentences
of as little as five years imprisonment.
If there were true justice in the world, Germany would
no longer exist as a separate country, but would have
long ago had its territory divided up and dispersed
among the Allies. It was an unfortunate historical
coincidence that the Cold War began just as Germany
was at last being brought to task for its many crimes
and atrocities extending back to the First World War.
The new threat of the Soviet Union took precedence
over a just settling of accounts with Germany.
The tragic result is that many of the countries raped
and despoiled by Germany, such as the Czech Republic
and Poland, are just now coming out of decades of
economic decline, while Germany -- fat, sassy,
arrogant, self-satisfied, and essentially Judenfrei --
has enjoyed four decades of undeserved economic
prosperity.
We can't turn back the clock to redress all of the
historical wrongs that have been committed by the
Germans, but there are a number of things that can be
done to assure that Germany can never again be in a
position to threaten the rest of the civilized world.
First and foremost is the realization that, while not
all Germans are anti-Semitic, there is an anti-Semitic
tendency within German culture that extends back to
the time of Martin Luther. Germans are instinctively
anti-Semitic in the same way that Americans are
instinctively freedom loving.
Anti-Semitism has been and unfortunately remains the
default ideology of the German people. All things
being equal, Germans will instinctively support the
enemies of the State of Israel. Therefore, America
will need to monitor closely and be ready and
politically willing to intervene at a moment's notice
in German affairs when it appears that Germany is
back-sliding into anti-Semitism.
Additionally, it should be a goal of American foreign
policy to oppose and to accelerate the dismemberment
of the European Union. We must not allow German
domination of the EU to accomplish through
parliamentary maneuvering and brokered deals what
Hitler and the Germans were unable to accomplish
during the Third Reich. Given Germany's resurgent
anti-Semitism (and that of France as well), a strong,
German-dominated EU that tolerates and even benignly
encourages anti-Semitism, and is diplomatically allied
with the Arab world, is potentially the greatest
threat to Judaism since Nazi Germany and a major
threat to the United States as well.
The enemies of Israel are the enemies of the United
States. Let all Jews and Americans stand united as we
proclaim never again to both the Holocaust and 9/11.
(www.iconoclast.ca)
William E. Grim is a writer who lives in Germany and
is a native of Columbus, Ohio. He may be reached at:
wgrim@myrealbox.comand. You can read more by and about
him at The Official William E. Grim Website
(williamegrim.tripod.com).
sich "lustig" zu machen, ist als passende antwort hier fehl am platz.
abgesehen davon wäre ich an deiner stelle als deutscher ganz, ganz still, wenn es um das thema faschismus geht. eine neonazi-szene wie in deutschland gibt es bei uns nicht.
lies das mal:
Hitler`s Children
By William E. Grim
14 August /2002
I'm not Jewish. Nobody in my family died in the
Holocaust. For me, anti-Semitism has always been one
of those phenomena that doesn't really register on my
radar, like tribal genocide in Rwanda, a horrible
thing that happens to someone else.
But I live in a small town outside of Munich on a
street that until May of 1945 was named
Adolf-Hitler-Strasse. I work in Munich, a pleasant
metropolitan city of a little over a million
inhabitants whose Bavarian charm tends to obscure the
fact that this city was the birthplace and capital of
the Nazi movement.
Every day when I go to work I pass by the sites of
apartments Hitler lived in, extant buildings in which
decisions were made to murder millions of innocent
people, and plazas in which book burnings took place,
SS troops paraded and people were executed. The
proximity to evil has a way of concentrating one's
attention, of putting a physical reality to the
textbook narratives of the horrors perpetrated by the
Germans.
Then the little things start to happen that over a
period of time add up to something very sinister. I'm
on a bus and a high school boy passes around Grandpa's
red leather-bound copy of Mein Kampf to his friends
who respond by saying "coooool!" He then takes out a
VCR tape (produced in Switzerland) of "The Great
Speeches of Joseph Goebbels."
A few weeks later I'm at a business meeting with four
young highly educated Germans who are polite, charming
and soft-spoken to say the least. When the subject
matter changes to a business deal with a man in New
York named Rubinstein, their nostrils flair, their
demeanors attain a threatening mien and one of them
actually says, and I'm quoting verbatim here: "The
problem with America is that the Jews have all the
money."
They start laughing and another one says, "Yeah, all
the Jews care about is money."
I found that this type of anti-Semitic reference in my
professional dealings with Germans soon became a
leitmotif (to borrow a term made famous by Richard
Wagner, another notorious German anti-Semite). In my
private meetings with Germans it often happens that
they will loosen up after a while and reveal personal
opinions and political leanings that were thought to
have ceased to exist in a Berlin bunker on April 30,
1945.
Maybe it's because I have blond hair and my last name
is of German origin that the Germans feel that I am,
or could potentially be, "one of them." It shows how
much they understand what it means to be an American.
Whatever the reason, the conversations generally have
one or more of these components:
(1) It was unfortunate that America and Germany fought
each other in World War II because the real enemy was
Russia.
(2) Yes, the Nazis were excessive, but terrible things
happen during wars, and anyway, the scope of the
Holocaust has been greatly exaggerated by the American
media, which is dominated by Jews.
(3) CNN is controlled by American Jews and is
anti-Palestinian. (Yes, I know it sounds incredible,
but even among the most highly intelligent Germans,
even those with a near-native fluency in English,
there is the widespread belief that the news network
founded by Fidel Castro's best friend Ted Turner, who
until recently was married to Hanoi Jane Fonda, is a
hotbed of pro-Israeli propaganda.)
(4) Almost all Germans were opposed to the Third Reich
and nobody in Germany knew anything about the murder
of the Jews, but the Jews themselves were really
responsible for the Holocaust.
(5) Ariel Sharon is worse than Hitler and the Israelis
are Nazis. America supports Israel only because Jews
control the American government and media.
For the first time in my life, then, I became
conscious of anti-Semitism. Sure, anti-Semitism exists
elsewhere in the world, but nowhere have the
consequences been as devastating as in Germany.
Looking at it as objectively as possible, 2002 has
been a banner year for anti-Semitism in Germany.
Synagogues have been firebombed, Jewish cemeteries
desecrated, the No. 1 best-selling novel, Martin
Walser's Death of a Critic, is a thinly-veiled roman a
clef containing a vicious anti-Semitic attack on
Germany's best-known literary critic, Marcel
Reich-Ranicki (who is a survivor of both the Warsaw
ghetto and Auschwitz);
Indeed, the Free Democrat Party has unofficially
adopted anti-Semitism as a campaign tactic to attract
Germany's sizeable Muslim minority; and German
revisionist historians now are beginning to define
German perpetration of World War II and the Holocaust
not as crimes against humanity, but as early battles
(with regrettable but understandable excesses) in the
Cold War against communism.
The situation is so bad that German Jews are advised
not to wear anything in public that would identify
them as Jewish because their safety cannot be
guaranteed.
How can this be? Isn't this the "New Germany" that's
gone 57 years without a Holocaust or even a pogrom,
where truth, justice and the German way prevail amidst
economic wealth, a high standard of living that is the
envy of their European neighbors, and a constitution
guaranteeing freedom for everyone regardless of race,
creed or national origin? What's changed?
The answer is: absolutely nothing.
My thesis is quite simple. While Germany no longer has
the military power to enforce the racist ideology of
the Nazis and while all extreme manifestations of
Nazism are officially outlawed, the internal
conditions -- that is, the attitudes, worldview and
cultural assumptions -- that led to the rise of Nazism
in Germany are still present because they constitute
the basic components of German identity. Nazism was
not an aberration; it was the distillation of the
German psyche into its essential elements.
External Nazism may have been utterly defeated in May
of 1945; internal Nazism, however, remains, and will
always remain, a potential threat as long as there
exists a political and/or cultural entity known as
Germany.
Now hold on a second, I hear many people saying: You
can't possibly claim that Germans are as anti-Semitic
today as they were during the years 1933-1945. It is
true that Germany today is much different than during
the Third Reich. What is different is that due to its
total defeat by the Allies, Germany today is a client
state of America and must do its bidding. That means
repression of overt anti-Semitism. It's bad for
business.
The other thing that has changed is that, even though
Hitler lost World War II, he was phenomenally
successful in carrying out his ideological agenda.
Germany, indeed virtually all of Europe, is
essentially Judenfrei (free of Jews) today due to the
efficiency and zeal of the Germans as they perpetrated
the Holocaust during the Third Reich. In fact, a very
convincing case can be made that Nazism is one of the
most successful political programs of all time. It
accomplished more of its goals in a shorter amount of
time than any other comparable political movement and
permanently changed the face and political structure
of several continents.
Germany is wealthy, stable, relentlessly bourgeois,
and for all intents and purposes free of Jews.
Yes, there is a tiny minority of Jews, mostly centered
in Berlin, and yes, there have been a number of Jews
from the former Soviet Union who have emigrated to
Germany, but most of the immigrants from Russia are
not practicing Jews and do little if anything to
promote a unique Jewish-German identity. The result of
all this is that Germans today are able to reap the
benefits of Hitler's anti-Semitic policies while
paying lip service to the "need to remember."
Young Fritz doesn't have to be overtly anti-Semitic
today because his grandfather's generation did such a
bang-up job of the Holocaust. There just aren't that
many Jews left to hate any more, and besides, the
Germans have their old buddies, the Arabs, to do their
hating for them. You might call the overwhelming
German support for the Palestinians to be a form of
anti-Semitism-by-proxy.
The German government has made cash payments to the
State of Israel, as well as to individual Jews, to
settle claims of murder, torture, false imprisonment,
slave labor and genocide. Talk to most Germans and
you'll soon discover that they think that the score
has been settled between Germany and the Jews, that
somehow the return of just a portion of what the
Germans stole from the Jews is fair recompense for the
deliberate murder of millions of people.
If you think the Germans are truly sorry for what they
did to the Jews, think again. There's never been an
official "tut mir leid" offered by the Germans to the
victims of the Holocaust and their descendants because
that would admit culpability. Germany has paid off all
claims against it without acknowledging responsibility
in the same way that the Ford Motor Company engages in
recalls of automobiles. It's all done to avoid
liability.
I have previously mentioned that Germans
overwhelmingly support the Palestinians as opposed to
the Israelis, and that this overwhelming support
represents a form of anti-Semitism-by-proxy. Germans
may claim to be supporting the Palestinians because
they think they are an "oppressed people," but let's
be honest -- they are supporting the Palestinians and
their Arab handlers because the Palestinians and Arabs
share the same ideals as the Nazis.
There's a long-standing history of German co-operation
with the Arabs. In 1942 Hitler personally assured the
Grand Mufti of Jerusalem that as soon as German forces
conquered Great Britain, the Jews in Palestine (which
was then under control of the British Mandate) would
be exterminated.
We should also keep in mind that the Arab terrorists
who perpetrated the 9/11 atrocities did their planning
in Germany. There are several reasons for this.
The first is the well-known bungling and
de-centralized chaos of the German federal bureaucracy
where literally the "links" hand doesn't know what the
"rechts" hand is doing.
The second is that Arab terrorists can count on a
substantial number of Germans who share their
anti-American and anti-Semitic views.
The former members of the SS and Hitler's praetorian
guards, along with their neo-Nazi supporters, who
gather weekly in Munich beer halls, made Osama bin
Laden an "honorary Aryan" after the 9/11 attack.
Mein Kampf is also a best seller in the Arab world,
especially in Saudi Arabia, America's putative
"friend." Indeed, there is very little difference
between the anti-Semitic rantings of Hitler and those
of the so-called "spiritual leaders" of al-Qaeda,
Hamas, and Fatah.
The Arabs also owe Hitler and the Germans big time.
Hitler killed off the Jews, and Konrad Adenauer and
his "democratic" descendants replaced them with the
Turks. Yes, the Turks aren't Arabs, but they are
Muslim, and although Turkey is a member of NATO and
has relations with Israel, many Turks identify and
support their radical Arab co-religionists. Turkey
remains as fragile a democracy as Weimar Germany
during the 1920s. It wouldn't take much for Turkey to
fall into the dark side of Muslim extremism.
The end result of Muslim immigration into Germany has
been twofold: (1) It allows the Germans to feign
liberalism and being open to freedom and diversity;
and (2) By replacing the Jews they murdered with
Muslims, who for the most part are as viciously
anti-Semitic as were the Nazis, the Germans have
cynically assured that those few Jews who remain in
Germany will be unable to reassert political power
even in a minority role.
A final point I would like to make concerning the
reasons for the resurgence of anti-Semitism in Germany
is one that many will find at odds with the
prima-facie evidence, or even appear to stretch the
boundaries of common sense. Yet, I ask you to consider
carefully my line of reasoning.
In many respects Germany got away with the Holocaust
without paying much of a price. Yes, many Germans died
as a result of German perpetration of World War II and
the Holocaust, and yes, there was much physical
destruction in the country, but the situation is like
the little boy who steals a cookie from the tray when
it is cooling on the kitchen table. For his efforts he
may have gotten his hand slapped by his mother, but
the stolen cookie remains eaten nonetheless.
After having committed the worst crimes in the history
of humankind, the Germans were allowed to regain their
sovereignty after only ten years; their infrastructure
was completely rebuilt thanks to the generosity of
theAmerican people; and relatively few Germans were
brought to trial for their monstrous crimes. Even
those who were tried and convicted received relatively
short sentences or had those reduced or commuted in
general amnesties. For example, some members of the
Einsatzkommandos, those Germans who, before the
construction of the death camps, hunted and murdered
Jews by the hundreds of thousands, received sentences
of as little as five years imprisonment.
If there were true justice in the world, Germany would
no longer exist as a separate country, but would have
long ago had its territory divided up and dispersed
among the Allies. It was an unfortunate historical
coincidence that the Cold War began just as Germany
was at last being brought to task for its many crimes
and atrocities extending back to the First World War.
The new threat of the Soviet Union took precedence
over a just settling of accounts with Germany.
The tragic result is that many of the countries raped
and despoiled by Germany, such as the Czech Republic
and Poland, are just now coming out of decades of
economic decline, while Germany -- fat, sassy,
arrogant, self-satisfied, and essentially Judenfrei --
has enjoyed four decades of undeserved economic
prosperity.
We can't turn back the clock to redress all of the
historical wrongs that have been committed by the
Germans, but there are a number of things that can be
done to assure that Germany can never again be in a
position to threaten the rest of the civilized world.
First and foremost is the realization that, while not
all Germans are anti-Semitic, there is an anti-Semitic
tendency within German culture that extends back to
the time of Martin Luther. Germans are instinctively
anti-Semitic in the same way that Americans are
instinctively freedom loving.
Anti-Semitism has been and unfortunately remains the
default ideology of the German people. All things
being equal, Germans will instinctively support the
enemies of the State of Israel. Therefore, America
will need to monitor closely and be ready and
politically willing to intervene at a moment's notice
in German affairs when it appears that Germany is
back-sliding into anti-Semitism.
Additionally, it should be a goal of American foreign
policy to oppose and to accelerate the dismemberment
of the European Union. We must not allow German
domination of the EU to accomplish through
parliamentary maneuvering and brokered deals what
Hitler and the Germans were unable to accomplish
during the Third Reich. Given Germany's resurgent
anti-Semitism (and that of France as well), a strong,
German-dominated EU that tolerates and even benignly
encourages anti-Semitism, and is diplomatically allied
with the Arab world, is potentially the greatest
threat to Judaism since Nazi Germany and a major
threat to the United States as well.
The enemies of Israel are the enemies of the United
States. Let all Jews and Americans stand united as we
proclaim never again to both the Holocaust and 9/11.
(www.iconoclast.ca)
William E. Grim is a writer who lives in Germany and
is a native of Columbus, Ohio. He may be reached at:
wgrim@myrealbox.comand. You can read more by and about
him at The Official William E. Grim Website
(williamegrim.tripod.com).
KRASS!
Also,
ich finde es echt mal interessant, wie man über Arthrose zu Hitler und sonst was kommen kann.
Ihr solltet Euch mal für das Fitnessforum eine Neue Kathegorie überlegen. Mit Namen OFF TOPIC. Dort könnte man dann über laute solchte Themen diskutieren. (Das gibts zum Beispiel bei http://kaltmacher.p15091874.pureserver.info/ und bevor jetzt wieder Stimmen laut werden. Dort geht es um das Übertakten von PCs ExtremeCooling&Overclocking. Nicht um irgendwlelche "bösen" Dinge, wie der Name vermuten lassen könnte )
Auch finde ich es Schade, dass Ihr euch gegenseitig so angreift.
und noch ne Kleinigkeit. Ich persönlich finde es ein wenig störend, wenn ich in Eurem Forum nach Information suche. Mir dann einen Thread auskucke und dann 2 Einträge über das Thema finde und den Rest irgendwelche Diskussionen und Beschimpfungen lesen muss. Ich denke hier wird über Fitness diskutiert?!?
Nun gut, genug der Standpauke. Hoffe mal, dass ich jetzt deswegen nicht angegriffen werde.
Gruß
in Hoffnung auf Besserung
Also,
ich finde es echt mal interessant, wie man über Arthrose zu Hitler und sonst was kommen kann.
Ihr solltet Euch mal für das Fitnessforum eine Neue Kathegorie überlegen. Mit Namen OFF TOPIC. Dort könnte man dann über laute solchte Themen diskutieren. (Das gibts zum Beispiel bei http://kaltmacher.p15091874.pureserver.info/ und bevor jetzt wieder Stimmen laut werden. Dort geht es um das Übertakten von PCs ExtremeCooling&Overclocking. Nicht um irgendwlelche "bösen" Dinge, wie der Name vermuten lassen könnte )
Auch finde ich es Schade, dass Ihr euch gegenseitig so angreift.
und noch ne Kleinigkeit. Ich persönlich finde es ein wenig störend, wenn ich in Eurem Forum nach Information suche. Mir dann einen Thread auskucke und dann 2 Einträge über das Thema finde und den Rest irgendwelche Diskussionen und Beschimpfungen lesen muss. Ich denke hier wird über Fitness diskutiert?!?
Nun gut, genug der Standpauke. Hoffe mal, dass ich jetzt deswegen nicht angegriffen werde.
Gruß
in Hoffnung auf Besserung
kurt1
New member
unqualifizierte Aussagen!
zu solch unqualifizierten (um nicht zu sagen, dummen) aussagen erübrigt sich jeder weitere kommentar. du checkst offensichtlich nicht, welchen schmarrn du da von dir gibst. ich würde mich mal über die innenpolitische situation informieren, sowohl in österreich als auch in deutschland, bevor du große töne spuckst.
und zu punkt 2: welcher landsmann bzw. welche landsfrau du bist, spielt keine rolle. wer derart unqualifizierte aussagen tätigt, muss sich gefallen lassen, als dumm bezeichnet zu werden.
ende der diskussion. mir ist meine zeit zu schade, mich mit leuten wie dir auseinanderzusetzen. außerdem haben die anderen recht - das ist ein fitness-forum (und schließlich warst du es, die durch eine dumme meldung diesen disput provoziert hat, nicht ich).
gruß, kurt
zu solch unqualifizierten (um nicht zu sagen, dummen) aussagen erübrigt sich jeder weitere kommentar. du checkst offensichtlich nicht, welchen schmarrn du da von dir gibst. ich würde mich mal über die innenpolitische situation informieren, sowohl in österreich als auch in deutschland, bevor du große töne spuckst.
und zu punkt 2: welcher landsmann bzw. welche landsfrau du bist, spielt keine rolle. wer derart unqualifizierte aussagen tätigt, muss sich gefallen lassen, als dumm bezeichnet zu werden.
ende der diskussion. mir ist meine zeit zu schade, mich mit leuten wie dir auseinanderzusetzen. außerdem haben die anderen recht - das ist ein fitness-forum (und schließlich warst du es, die durch eine dumme meldung diesen disput provoziert hat, nicht ich).
gruß, kurt
kurt1
New member
bitte den Thread genauer verfolgen!
das empfahl ich dir bereits. meine - vergleichsweise harmlose! - gegenreaktion erfolgte auf die aussage, österreich wäre eine brutstätte von nazis usw. ich weiß selbst, dass es leider mehr als genug "rechte" in österreich gibt, trotzdem war die meldung unpassend (auch, dass man sich deswegen über österreich lustig machen müsse).
übrigens - solltest du es noch nicht wissen: der mond übt keinerlei einfluss auf den menschen aus. auch das ist ein (unter der unaufgeklärten bevölkerung weitverbreiter) mythos.
gruß, kurt
das empfahl ich dir bereits. meine - vergleichsweise harmlose! - gegenreaktion erfolgte auf die aussage, österreich wäre eine brutstätte von nazis usw. ich weiß selbst, dass es leider mehr als genug "rechte" in österreich gibt, trotzdem war die meldung unpassend (auch, dass man sich deswegen über österreich lustig machen müsse).
übrigens - solltest du es noch nicht wissen: der mond übt keinerlei einfluss auf den menschen aus. auch das ist ein (unter der unaufgeklärten bevölkerung weitverbreiter) mythos.
gruß, kurt
Doc_Holliday
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Re: unqualifizierte Aussagen!
Damit hast DU dich DEINERSEITS disqualifiziert, denn wer auf der Grundlage eines solchen Pamphletes diskutieren will, begibt sich auf das Niveau der BILD-Zeitung. Und genau dies ist die Ebene auf der du vielen Leuten hier begegnest (siehe Claus, Peterchen usw.). Selbst Fettarsch war angenehmer im Umgang als du.
Ich persönlich mache dir folgenden Vorschlag: warum erlöst du dieses Forum nicht endlich von deiner sinnlosen Gegenwart und überlässt das Terrain anderen Wissenträgern, wie z.B. Thomas oder auch "Chianti", die ihre Kompetenz nicht hinter Kaskaden von Fachwörtern oder, schlimmer, hinter Beschimpfungen verstecken müssen.
In diesem Sinne: GEH STERBEN!
Damit hast DU dich DEINERSEITS disqualifiziert, denn wer auf der Grundlage eines solchen Pamphletes diskutieren will, begibt sich auf das Niveau der BILD-Zeitung. Und genau dies ist die Ebene auf der du vielen Leuten hier begegnest (siehe Claus, Peterchen usw.). Selbst Fettarsch war angenehmer im Umgang als du.
Ich persönlich mache dir folgenden Vorschlag: warum erlöst du dieses Forum nicht endlich von deiner sinnlosen Gegenwart und überlässt das Terrain anderen Wissenträgern, wie z.B. Thomas oder auch "Chianti", die ihre Kompetenz nicht hinter Kaskaden von Fachwörtern oder, schlimmer, hinter Beschimpfungen verstecken müssen.
In diesem Sinne: GEH STERBEN!
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Liebe Diskutanden,
wir möchten im Sinne aller Besucher des Forums nochmal zu einem Mindestmaß an Etiquette aufrufen. Wenn off topic diskutiert und geplaudert wird, ist das völlig ok. Bemüht euch aber bitte, Beleidigungen und Verleumdungen auf den Austausch von Emails oder private messages zu beschränken.
Liebe Diskutanden,
wir möchten im Sinne aller Besucher des Forums nochmal zu einem Mindestmaß an Etiquette aufrufen. Wenn off topic diskutiert und geplaudert wird, ist das völlig ok. Bemüht euch aber bitte, Beleidigungen und Verleumdungen auf den Austausch von Emails oder private messages zu beschränken.
kurt1
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auf dein Niveau lasse ich mich nicht herab
dein letzter satz sagt alles. wenn du meine gegenwart in diesem forum für sinnlos hältst, solltest du die konsequenzen ziehen und verschwinden. niemand wird dir eine träne nachweinen. wenn du information und den gebrauch von fachbegriffen als persönlichen affront auffasst, hast du ein problem. du hast auch nicht gecheckt, dass chiantis postings zum großen teil meine worte wiedergeben, wofür ich ihm dankbar bin, weil ich mich nicht dauernd wiederholen muss. bist du eigentlich an einer wissenserweiterung in sachen ernährung, stoffwechselphysiologie und trainingslehre interessiert oder geht's dir nur um's stänkern? weißt du überhaupt, was ein pamphlet ist? würde mich wundern, so wie du dich hier geoutet hast. du bist ein ungehobelter mensch, der seine offensichtlichen minderwertigkeitskomplexe unter dem mantel der anonymität zu kompensieren versucht. ich bin es jedenfalls nicht, der sich hinter etwas versteckt. wenn du nicht so feig wärst und dich registriert hättest, hätte ich dir eine PM geschickt, um das forum nicht zu involvieren. lass mich bitte in frieden!
dein letzter satz sagt alles. wenn du meine gegenwart in diesem forum für sinnlos hältst, solltest du die konsequenzen ziehen und verschwinden. niemand wird dir eine träne nachweinen. wenn du information und den gebrauch von fachbegriffen als persönlichen affront auffasst, hast du ein problem. du hast auch nicht gecheckt, dass chiantis postings zum großen teil meine worte wiedergeben, wofür ich ihm dankbar bin, weil ich mich nicht dauernd wiederholen muss. bist du eigentlich an einer wissenserweiterung in sachen ernährung, stoffwechselphysiologie und trainingslehre interessiert oder geht's dir nur um's stänkern? weißt du überhaupt, was ein pamphlet ist? würde mich wundern, so wie du dich hier geoutet hast. du bist ein ungehobelter mensch, der seine offensichtlichen minderwertigkeitskomplexe unter dem mantel der anonymität zu kompensieren versucht. ich bin es jedenfalls nicht, der sich hinter etwas versteckt. wenn du nicht so feig wärst und dich registriert hättest, hätte ich dir eine PM geschickt, um das forum nicht zu involvieren. lass mich bitte in frieden!
Doc_Holliday
New member
Re: auf dein Niveau lasse ich mich nicht herab
Kurt lassen wir's, es führt zu nichts. Aber ganz ehrlich, schliesst du dich mit deiner Meinung wirklich solchen Aussagen an:
>>
Maybe it's because I have blond hair and my last name
is of German origin that the Germans feel that I am,
or could potentially be, "one of them."
<<
Wenn ja, dann tust du mir leid!
Schönes Wochenende!
Kurt lassen wir's, es führt zu nichts. Aber ganz ehrlich, schliesst du dich mit deiner Meinung wirklich solchen Aussagen an:
>>
Maybe it's because I have blond hair and my last name
is of German origin that the Germans feel that I am,
or could potentially be, "one of them."
<<
Wenn ja, dann tust du mir leid!
Schönes Wochenende!
kurt1
New member
du findest das vielleicht überzogen und lächerlich
aber es ist eine traurige tatsache, dass es sehr oft zutrifft. der antisemitismus ist in österreich und deutschland (und eigentlich weltweit) leider weit verbreitet. wie oft kommt ein "unterschwelliger" antisemitismus ans tageslicht? tagtäglich! geh mal mit offenen ohren durch's leben, bevor du mich bedauerst.
schönes wochenende.
kurt
aber es ist eine traurige tatsache, dass es sehr oft zutrifft. der antisemitismus ist in österreich und deutschland (und eigentlich weltweit) leider weit verbreitet. wie oft kommt ein "unterschwelliger" antisemitismus ans tageslicht? tagtäglich! geh mal mit offenen ohren durch's leben, bevor du mich bedauerst.
schönes wochenende.
kurt
Doc_Holliday
New member
Re: du findest das vielleicht überzogen und lächerlich
Nein finde ich nicht lächerlich! Dieser Antisemitismus ist da und das nicht nur latent, das haben meine durchaus offenen Ohren mitbekommen. Ich wohne in einem Ort, der doch in diesem geschichtlichen Zusammenhang eine grosse Rolle spielt: in Dachau. Wir sind hier in Old Germany absolut wachsam, genauso wie ihr in Austria. Wir müssen alle ein bisschen die Augen und Ohren offen halten.
Aber viele von den Aussagen Grims greifen doch zu hoch. V.a. der Schluss, dass Deutschland eine Gefahr für die Welt sei, ist reichlich überzogen. Ich persönlich bin der Meinung, dass sein Heimatland gegenwärtig eine weitaus grössere Gefahr für den Weltfrieden darstellt als irgendein anderes Land auf dieser Welt.
Nix für ungut!
Schönes Wochenende!
Nein finde ich nicht lächerlich! Dieser Antisemitismus ist da und das nicht nur latent, das haben meine durchaus offenen Ohren mitbekommen. Ich wohne in einem Ort, der doch in diesem geschichtlichen Zusammenhang eine grosse Rolle spielt: in Dachau. Wir sind hier in Old Germany absolut wachsam, genauso wie ihr in Austria. Wir müssen alle ein bisschen die Augen und Ohren offen halten.
Aber viele von den Aussagen Grims greifen doch zu hoch. V.a. der Schluss, dass Deutschland eine Gefahr für die Welt sei, ist reichlich überzogen. Ich persönlich bin der Meinung, dass sein Heimatland gegenwärtig eine weitaus grössere Gefahr für den Weltfrieden darstellt als irgendein anderes Land auf dieser Welt.
Nix für ungut!
Schönes Wochenende!
kurt1
New member
Weltfrieden
mag sein, dass grims aussagen teiweise überzogen sind. aber wenn es wirklich dein ernst ist, dass du die u.s.a. als gefahr für den weltfrieden bezeichnest, hast du wenig einblick in die weltpolitik. abgesehen davon, dass es vermutlich zu keinem krieg gegen den irak kommen wird (hoffentlich kann saddam auch ohne waffengewalt entmachtet werden), sollte man sich immer bewusst sein, wie das schicksal europas verlaufen wäre, hätten die u.s.a. nicht eingegriffen (nicht nur einmal...).
man macht es sich zu leicht, immer auf die u.s.a. hinzu"pecken", wenn sie "polizei spielt", aber wenn's drauf ankommt - wer hält den kopf hin? deutschland ist es nicht und auch kein andererer europäischer staat. europa ist - noch - schwach auf der brust. um nicht zu sagen, zu feige.
schöne woche,
kurt (der jeden krieg ablehnt, weil er eine schreckliche sache ist, und auf den weltfrieden hofft, wenngleich dieser niemals der fall sein wird, solange terroristen an der macht sind)
mag sein, dass grims aussagen teiweise überzogen sind. aber wenn es wirklich dein ernst ist, dass du die u.s.a. als gefahr für den weltfrieden bezeichnest, hast du wenig einblick in die weltpolitik. abgesehen davon, dass es vermutlich zu keinem krieg gegen den irak kommen wird (hoffentlich kann saddam auch ohne waffengewalt entmachtet werden), sollte man sich immer bewusst sein, wie das schicksal europas verlaufen wäre, hätten die u.s.a. nicht eingegriffen (nicht nur einmal...).
man macht es sich zu leicht, immer auf die u.s.a. hinzu"pecken", wenn sie "polizei spielt", aber wenn's drauf ankommt - wer hält den kopf hin? deutschland ist es nicht und auch kein andererer europäischer staat. europa ist - noch - schwach auf der brust. um nicht zu sagen, zu feige.
schöne woche,
kurt (der jeden krieg ablehnt, weil er eine schreckliche sache ist, und auf den weltfrieden hofft, wenngleich dieser niemals der fall sein wird, solange terroristen an der macht sind)
kurt1
New member
Re: unqualifizierte Aussagen!
hihi, von wegen rückläufiger tourismus in österreich - frag mal nach, ob du jetzt noch irgendwo ein zimmer bekommst!
und zu deinem "sach ma": geh im thread weiter nach oben, dann wirst du das unqualifizierte posting finden, auf das ich reagiert habe.
du hast wirklich nichts kapiert! ich bin ein erklärter gegner des antisemitismus und keiner, der die schreckliche vergangenheit des dritten reiches bagatellisiert, im gegenteil. deswegen fand ich es unpassend, als F&A meinte, man müsse sich deswegen über österreich lustig machen. ich finde das alles andere als lustig!
gruß
hihi, von wegen rückläufiger tourismus in österreich - frag mal nach, ob du jetzt noch irgendwo ein zimmer bekommst!
und zu deinem "sach ma": geh im thread weiter nach oben, dann wirst du das unqualifizierte posting finden, auf das ich reagiert habe.
du hast wirklich nichts kapiert! ich bin ein erklärter gegner des antisemitismus und keiner, der die schreckliche vergangenheit des dritten reiches bagatellisiert, im gegenteil. deswegen fand ich es unpassend, als F&A meinte, man müsse sich deswegen über österreich lustig machen. ich finde das alles andere als lustig!
gruß
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