What to eat after heavy exercise?

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Fat loss without muscle maintenance/growth is probably going to lead to net results that people aren't happy with. It certainly doesn't lead to "toning" as most mean it.

Granted, I'm speaking very generally here but saying "cardio is better for toning" is a bit misleading since a) it's not great at promoting muscle growth/maintenance and b) a deficit can come by way of multiple avenues.

Good discussion though.

Completely agree with that, excellent explanation of the misleading view of cardio & toning.

Indeed a good discussion.
 
I've incorporated power yoga successfully into my fitness routine to help with flexibility while keeping it active rather than passive like most yoga sessions. Maybe for the same reason that I was doing combat Tai Chi and not the regular forms.

About the question posed, I think most post workout meal suggestions are based on muscle recovery from weight lifting. In the case of power yoga you are not going to have the same needs as a weight lifter. Focus on replacing water and energy within 15 to 30 minutes after the workout. Then eat something more solid with high protein an hour later. I stick to water and low carb energy drinks after a cardio workout.
 
Steve, you still dont get it... Your insecurities are coming out when you sensationalise the matter... The issue between us was simply this ---

You say that Yoga is not glycogen-depleting and I say that it is.

I know that it is because I have used it to my favor in that way.

But you just brought up your theories and what your prestige and what not into this. When we talk about a subject and the other person tries to just speak and speak and speak about his own ideas without focussing the point, ITS OBVIOUS that the person is trying to force his ideas. I really feel you should keep the point in target. YOU LITERALLY IRRITATED ME BY PUMPING YOUR IDEAS ON ME WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT TOPIC AT HAND!!!!!! Frankly, an insult is more tolerable than such irritating behavior.

i still feel that you should not deal with cases in which you yourself are a part. its not fair. i found you stupid and i said so. my comment was more on humor tone. if i had to insult you, i would have said that steve has a brain smaller than his willy. now dont take this as an insult, just stating my opinion.

And yes, when i wrote sorry, it was more of a filler. it was not a serious sorry, i dint apologize, now i again feel you are stupid to believe it was apology. anyway u will take that as an insult so i will not say that. lol.

You must see that "calling names" is not the only way to insult. Steve you were insulting me by irritating me with your uncalled-for arguments which were far from the point. You dint even try to see my side thinking that you are an expert with newsletter and i am a newbie.


The problem is with your attitude. You think you are an expert and whatever you say is a fact, and those who dont agree are dummies.. thats what you proved when you said that "you think factual points that i put here are a about maturity? your red-herrings and strawmens etc. etc." i really dont like such ppl, sorry.. now that was not an apology, lol.

May be we should just not talk, you can think that i am too stupid for you and i will think vice versa. lol.

Korrie, why dint u see that steve just dint focus on the point... we were just talking about yoga as a glycogen-depleting exercise and then steve just came up with all the theories of the world to oppose the point. Sorry, but I find such behavior stupid. THAT IS WHAT I SAID and that is what i feel. if that is an INSULT, be it. And yes, if that is an insult, then steve must feel that "The red herrings and straw mans presented by you are blatantly obvious... " is also an insult. But frankly, none of the two is insult. AND Korrie, if "banning this person is hardly an abuse" is the kind of attitude you have, i can just feel sorry for the forum. how much do you even know me??? Duh.

@bvilleh - Respect is mutual. If STEvE does not have the respect to listen to people and talk about the point at question without egoistically blowing his own trumpet, why would other's behave that way to him???? And yes, I dint start the debate. Steve instigated it, admittantly.
 
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I've incorporated power yoga successfully into my fitness routine to help with flexibility while keeping it active rather than passive like most yoga sessions. Maybe for the same reason that I was doing combat Tai Chi and not the regular forms.

About the question posed, I think most post workout meal suggestions are based on muscle recovery from weight lifting. In the case of power yoga you are not going to have the same needs as a weight lifter. Focus on replacing water and energy within 15 to 30 minutes after the workout. Then eat something more solid with high protein an hour later. I stick to water and low carb energy drinks after a cardio workout.

hi,

i am doing suryanamaskars to loss weight. i just want to know that will having a lunch after doing suryanamaskaras reduce the effect of the exercise???
 
I'm not even sure how to reply to that. Again, you're making this out to be about you and me. I don't care about you as a person anymore than you care about me as a person.

I care about the information at hand.

Simple as that.

Glycogen depleting?

No, my main point which is what I've been defending this entire thread now is:

I'm glad you're enjoying yoga, but I doubt it's the primary driver behind your success on the scale so far. Your control of nutrition is more likely the primary driver.

The fact that you're now making this debate out to be about glycogen depletion is quite confusing. Might I suggest reading back through the thread again. Sure, I brought it up in my first post but after that there's been very little mention of it.

Please stop calling me stupid now.
 
Firstly if you dont care about me as a person, then why on the earth do you care about me calling you stupid or not. :)

Yes, you did say that yoga is not glycogen-depleting and you did not repeat that again, which is exactly what i dint like! because our argument was about that only! the reason why u dint repeat it is that you were wrong in saying that yoga is not glycogen-depleting and you did not want to be wrong again. so what you did is to say all the other right things that you know, so that people dont focus on your wrong. just that this trick got caught. ;)

I'm glad you're enjoying yoga, but I doubt it's the primary driver behind your success on the scale so far. Your control of nutrition is more likely the primary driver.

Again this point was and is our point of argument and I still feel that you are wrong. I really find it ridiculous how you can be so confident when you dont have any proper knowledge about my diet and yoga routines. Yoga done in the form of surya-namaskaras repetedly is extremely glycogen-depleting and that is the reason why i did and i am losing weight. if you cannot understand or accept this simple fact, then what can i say.

see steve, mistake happen with everyone. you dont need to be embarassed about it.
 
i would like to point out to our great moderator korrie and bvilleh how steve is adamant about the fact that my yoga routines, my sweaty sweaty yoga routines, are useless in my weightloss and it is my dieting (when none exists) that made me lose so much weight just out of the blue. he knows nothing about my lifestyle, my eating, my exercises and still he argues... and he argues and speaks all the things in the world that are not relevant to the point at hand, so that the other person gets irritated and calls him stupid.. and then like a little baby, he abuses his moderator power and officially warns him.

Oh steve... may be u just are having bad days... its okay dude.
 
Haha what a lame ass argument! She just wanted to know when to eat after working out, not some smarty pants play by play on why what she does doesn't work. If it works for her just be cool and supportive and answer the question asked, that's the point of this forum. I read your first post and thought it was pretty snide, and it just got worse from there. She didn't ask about yoga, she asked about when to eat. Chill out and be supportive.
 
Haha what a lame ass argument! She just wanted to know when to eat after working out, not some smarty pants play by play on why what she does doesn't work. If it works for her just be cool and supportive and answer the question asked, that's the point of this forum. I read your first post and thought it was pretty snide, and it just got worse from there. She didn't ask about yoga, she asked about when to eat. Chill out and be supportive.

Thank you. Thank you so much. His posts were snide indeed.

And ppl, I am a guy, not she. :) Its an Indian name, so u got confused i guess...
 
Firstly if you dont care about me as a person, then why on the earth do you care about me calling you stupid or not. :)

Because you're breaking forum policy and it's not permitted. Simple as that. I'd ban you but I'm not banning someone I'm involved in a debate with... even if he can't separate his emotions from the debate. At this point I'm assuming you're a teenager. Running around calling members stupid regardless of who said members are simply isn't how this forum operates.

Yes, you did say that yoga is not glycogen-depleting and you did not repeat that again, which is exactly what i dint like! because our argument was about that only!

Unfortunately for you, you don't get to make things up. I can say there is a pink elephant sitting on your shoulder. That doesn't make it so, no matter how much I believe it.

I made a statement about glycogen depletion. My main point came after that. That being about dietary control vs. yoga in general.

the reason why u dint repeat it is that you were wrong in saying that yoga is not glycogen-depleting and you did not want to be wrong again. so what you did is to say all the other right things that you know, so that people dont focus on your wrong. just that this trick got caught. ;)

No. Nice try though... this is getting very lame. Instead of debating facts you paint pictures of my intent and anyone who buys into that is as shallow as you.

Fuel substrate use is determined by intensity and duration of exercise. In general, many forms of yoga are not glycogen depleting given their intensity. Not all forms of yoga, which I never claimed.

If the one you're doing is, so be it. However, it's important to note that at the time I brought up glycogen depletion you had not commented on what form of yoga you were doing. You spoke generally and I replied generally. And factually.

That you brought up your forms of yoga after the fact and are now speaking as if the entire argument was about glycogen depletion when I never spoke of that again speaks volumes regarding your intentions.

I'm glad you're enjoying yoga, but I doubt it's the primary driver behind your success on the scale so far. Your control of nutrition is more likely the primary driver.

Amazingly you acknowledge my primary argument here yet try and paint pictures around it so you don't have to highlight what you don't know.

If my primary argument was in fact about glycogen depletion, trust me, I would've continued speaking about it.

I have thousands of posts here to prove my method of debate.

Again this point was and is our point of argument and I still feel that you are wrong. I really find it ridiculous how you can be so confident when you dont have any proper knowledge about my diet and yoga routines. Yoga done in the form of surya-namaskaras repetedly is extremely glycogen-depleting and that is the reason why i did and i am losing weight. if you cannot understand or accept this simple fact, then what can i say.

You seem to be combining my two statements into one argument here. My primary argument was about calories and the fact that most forms of yoga are not calorically expensive enough to cause appreciable weight loss unless you're doing enormous volumes of it.

Guess what.

I would've said the same thing about most forms of cardio and weight training too.

It's not just about yoga and maybe that will help you emotionally separate yourself from your statements so you can start acting like an adult instead of a child and debate the facts.

That you said:

Steve, i have been one of those who always wanted to lose weight but could not never succeed, for years... gym, dieting i have tried it all... by yoga i meant yoga of physical type... i know it for sure that it is yoga which slimmed me down... coz frankly i never control my diet too much during these days... i just avoided sweets... i guess you will get a better idea about the power of yoga once you study it well... since i said i tried it all, in my opinion Yoga is the best way to lose weight.

Led me to believe you don't believe calorie deficits work. Why? Because a diet means you're in a calorie deficit and you said diets don't work for you. Now, if by saying that you meant you have not found a diet you've been able to stick with and therefore you haven't been able to maintain a calorie deficit long enough to cause appreciable fat loss... than my apologies and sorry for the assumption.

But if you think calories don't matter, my points still stand.

I think it's important to note that of course different forms of yoga have different effects on the body. One of those primary effects is calories expended. Power Yoga, for instance, burns about 300 calories per hour. You would need 11-12 hour long sessions to expend 3500 calories per week. Put differently, you'd have to do 11-12 sessions per week to lose 1 lb of fat, assuming you're eating at maintenance without the yoga.

Most people realistically might do something like 3 sessions per week. Maybe 5.

To lose 10 lbs of fat without concerning yourself with nutrition using 3 sessions per week, you'd need nearly 40 weeks.

At 5 sessions you'd need 23 weeks.

The efficiency simply isn't there which was my point. For most people who are experiencing a lot of progress in terms of fat loss and doing yoga - yoga is certainly helping with caloric expenditure but if weight is coming off quickly... nutrition is playing a major role even if they know it or not.

And that's not to say yoga isn't providing various other benefits on top of calorie expenditure/fat loss. But that's not what this discussion is about.

Before bashing me personally, making truckloads of assumptions, and painting pictures, how about we try and redirect this conversation to something more productive:

1) How many times per week do you do yoga?
2) What form of yoga do you do each time you do it?
3) How long does each session last?
4) How many calories do you think you expend during it?
5) How do you propose your yoga plan has led to your success? By that, I mean what mechanisms directly contributed to fat loss?

see steve, mistake happen with everyone. you dont need to be embarassed about it.

What you don't know b/c you refuse to drop your guard is the fact I love being proven wrong. I love learning. If you think this is the way you're going to teach people what you think you know - by being defensive and offensive... you've got another thing coming.

It's hard to create a learning atmosphere when everything you say is couched with assumptive BS and ad hominens. To this point I've tried to stick to the factual side of the discussion.
 
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i would like to point out to our great moderator korrie and bvilleh how steve is adamant about the fact that my yoga routines, my sweaty sweaty yoga routines,

Sweating is a good indicator of workout efficacy now?

are useless in my weightloss

Thanks for proving my point. Put down your paintbrush and show me where I said your yoga is useless.

and it is my dieting (when none exists)

I don't mean diet as in something like Atkins, Southbeach, etc. We all have diets. Unless you don't eat food.

That is what I meant by my original statement.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you.

calls him stupid

I'm not frustrated or upset. That you choose to stoop to a level where you personally attack people instead of speak factually has no bearing on how I feel. I breaks forum rule, that's about all. But I can't help the fact that you're acting like a 13 year old.

he abuses his moderator power and officially warns him.

Abuse of my power. You directly break forum rules and I warn you for it and b/c of that I'm abusing my power.

Yea... okay.
 
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u are speaking soooo much!!!!! sorry to say but u r such a hammer... u r irritating and very stupid. and i really feel this. if you find this an insult, then i am sorry but you are a total delicate darling. if i find you stupid, i WILL say you are stupid. that is not a malice...

now frankly i dont have the time and the insecurities (unlike u) to read each and every line that you wrote and quote it one by one. But i will get on some of the things that i could read with a flying look...

(1) somewhere you wrote that i should jot down how much yoga i do and wat i do and wat not... now who on the earth are you to whom i should give this account. sorry but i dont know any other way to say. :-!

2) you also said something about my sweat comment. my dear, by mentioning that i do sweaty yoga, i just meant that i workout extensively.

3) you say that i did not mention at the beginning that i did surya namaskaras and that is why you said yoga is not glycogen depleting. but you said just "yoga", u did not say "many forms of yoga". without asking me what i did, you just came up with a blunt statement that my weightloss is not coz of yoga but due to dieting. duh!!!!

4) you are saying that our point of discussion was about yoga vs. human adaptations blah blah blah. but who are you to decide "OUR" point of discussion???? I was not talking to you about that. That is not the cause of our argument. Why did you even bring it up at the first place?????

5) when u say that yoga is probably not glycogen-depleting and its my dieting that caused my weightloss, you more or less meant the same thing that yoga is useless in my case. now dont change your words.

6) Duh! Dieting is a general term used by people to refer to control of diet intake for weightloss purpose. you want to argue at all things!!!!

7) If i call you stupid, i become a thirteen year old??? Stupid means someone who speaks or behaves in a non-explainable manner and that is what you tend to do. so i dont have any other adjective to describe. LOL

8) I just called you stupid. thats not breaking forum rules. and when you speak to me, you should speak to me only as a member. not as a moderator. in this case any use of moderator power would be abuse of power. its not that i am hacking or something. but yes, for an egoistic person like you, this confident talk of mine would be such a crasher, i can imagine!!! :)

9) Running around calling members stupid regardless of who said members are simply isn't how this forum operates. Aha!!!!! Here comes the real deal. Regardless of "WHO SAID MEMBERS ARE"... you cant take it, that someone even disagrees to you. you clearly acknowledge your ego here.

10) My main point came after that. That being about dietary control vs. yoga in general. but this may be your main point, but why did you bring it here? ok fine, the fact that you are a male may be true, but when two people are talking about weather why would you bring it into picture and fight for its approval? you talk about me imagining things? duh, you are the one who brings up points even when the argument is not about any of those.

11) YOU CALLED ME SHALLOW!!!! MISTER MODERATOR, BAN YOURSELF!!! Hahaha, dont worry i m not a girl like you. you can call me shallow, big deal. i dont need YOUR approval. i know what i am.

12) you said that yoga is probably not much glycogen-depleting. this is not a fact. this is not true. and you claim that all you say is facts! lol

13) you say if your primary argument was about glycogen-depletion then you would have spoken about it. then why did you speak other things? why did you argue on other things when they were not the subjects at the first place!!!! i did not ask you to come up with your adaptations theory, did i???... you were the one who tickled me by saying that my weightloss was due to dieting (need i explain again) and not yoga,,, when it is down-right rubbish and unreal. your comments were and are UNWARRANTED and UNCALLED-FOR.

14) Emotionally separate my statements? hello? i believe in each and everything i said and i am passionate about my beliefs. i am confident, not snooty... unlike you, who needs to convince and argue with each and every person to gain approval (read, to sell his newsletters).

15) i said that i cannot diet to the extent of losing so much weight in such a short span of time. its not in my nature and capacity to starve and control myself in terms of food intake. if you dont have the brains to understand this much, i cant help it.

16) I later see a sorry from you for above point and i forgive you for that.

17) But if you think calories don't matter, my points still stand. Steve you assumed this and you also went on to give statistics. this is your basic problem - blowing your own trumpet. why do you think that you are the only person who knows all this??????? there are diet experts who are not a member of this forum - if they join they will be a newbie. that does not mean that they dont know anything about dieting. now need i clarify that i KNOW very well how much calories are lost by surya-namaskar and i know how important it is for weightloss?

18) It's hard to create a learning atmosphere when everything you say is couched with assumptive BS and ad hominens. To this point I've tried to stick to the factual side of the discussion. Lol, you are the one who is making stupid assumptions, including the fact that you think all that you know is a fact and all that others know is a BS. lol

19) You give me example of power yoga to prove that yoga cant be very effective in weightloss. now here it steve... your chance to learn.... i already mentioned that i lost weight by surya-namaskar, why did you just miss it from the post???? why did you generalise yoga and give example of power-yoga to prove that its mostly ineffective... i was not talking about the types of yogas that dont work.. why would i... why did you assume i was doing so... i was talking about the effective type of yoga... suryanamaskaras...

surya-namaskars are an EXCELLENT way of losing weight. 1 surya-namaskar takes about 10-15 seconds and it makes you lose around 14 kcal. Its said that 50 surya-namaskars are equivalent to 1 hour of extensive gym-workout. Now note this down so that you can brag about your knowledge to other forum members. i can confidently say that surya-namaskars can be an excellent tool for weightloss because i have done it myself. i am not the only one. go on net and find more info about surya-namaskars, you will see that all believe it to be one of the best ways of losing weight. that is all i was saying... omg, you are so lame, to imagine other things...

steve, i suggest you ban me. because i dont see any end to this discussion... you are too stupid and egoistic to give up. i wont give up because i am right and confident.

cya... ;)
 
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I have to agree with Steve here, Ankit, you are looking really immature and stupid here.

Its clearly a proven fact over and over if you care to research than yoga doesn't burn enough calories on its own to make much difference in weight loss, and holding back on the sweets will do more. I'm unsure where you get your facts from, but if its from the person who's taking the class it would make sense. is possibly more accurate.
You burn about 4 calories per minute by doing Surya Namaskara in addition to other health benefits such as keeping your body fit, reducing weight, gaining good eye sight etc. Read the excerpts appeared from The Telegraph -
"Research shows that during some types of yoga, such as surya namaskar, you burn an average of 3.79 calories per minute. So, during a 50-minute workout, you’ll burn roughly 190 calories (3.79 x 50 = 189.5). This isn’t much compared to more intense exercises, such as cycling, where you can expect to burn over 400 calories. Of course, these numbers will vary from person to person. There are different forms of yoga, so the number of calories you burn will be different depending on the class you do." - that works out to be 2 weetabix OR 4 smaller sized cookies OR half a slice of cake etc. You would do better by not having the 330 cals in fries at McDonalds.

Either way neither of those points are the issue. I think your original question was answered (even if you did not like the answer or take notice). so I'm closing this thread (as it should have been done a while back).

Thank you for your time Steve, cant save everyone :)
 
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