What I've learned so far in class...
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yeah they do your right. Ill pick your qoute georgen though 
"Dont teach you about real training".
Personal training and ex & sports science shouldt really be compared. Its kind of like comparing a bicycle mechanic and a rocket scientist. I dont know about others but we have world class anatomists, physiologists, pathologist sport scientists that provide a solid background and a much more understanding which feeds critical thinking then someone could ever come up with at your local gym for example who has experience and such a superficial knowledge that can only get you so far.
"Dont teach you about real training".
Personal training and ex & sports science shouldt really be compared. Its kind of like comparing a bicycle mechanic and a rocket scientist
. I dont know about others but we have world class anatomists, physiologists, pathologist sport scientists that provide a solid background and a much more understanding which feeds critical thinking then someone could ever come up with at your local gym for example who has experience and such a superficial knowledge that can only get you so far.Why? The best know both practical application and science.
I know many anatomists, physiologists, and pathologist sports scientists. What good is solid background and critical thinking is there is little to no application?
The best and smartest folks I have ever met know both practical and science. The difference is that they know why and how the science is applied. (or if it is applied at all) There may not be any letters after their name, though I can assure you they know as much or more than most PHD folks.
Most "letter after namers" look at research. "this research shows that there is a lot of force on the low back during the deadlift. A lot of force can lead to injury. Therefore, deadlifts should not be done." and never see outside the lab to any real application.
Most people I have met who do have letters after their name think they are smarter than most, call themselves sports training experts, and could not train a beginner to run. (I did have one professor in college with whom I was able to hold intelligent conversations with because he would think about how science did and did not apply to practical application. so there are exceptions.)
I read my last post, and I did not mention local gym rats. I mentioned, personal experience, good coaches, and athletes who are good at training.
Believe me I would take the advice of a good coach or good athlete over a stick figure PHD any day. Why? They understand the broader spectrum of training, both inside and outside the research lab, and it adds to my personal experience.
I wonder if the team of people who developed Lance Armstrongs bike would consider themselves mere bike mechanics.
I know many anatomists, physiologists, and pathologist sports scientists. What good is solid background and critical thinking is there is little to no application?
But there is
Most "letter after namers" look at research. "this research shows that there is a lot of force on the low back during the deadlift. A lot of force can lead to injury. Therefore, deadlifts should not be done." and never see outside the lab to any real application
actually people specialise. Some might specialise in research, while others in performance enhancement. I mean look at the top clubs in the world like Man united, They dont employ personal trainers they emply exercise sport scientists and exercise physiologists to get the best out of their team. I mean personal trainers have their place but in the whole grand sheme of things you know....
Believe me I would take the advice of a good coach or good athlete over a stick figure PHD any day. Why? They understand the broader spectrum of training, both inside and outside the research lab, and it adds to my personal experience.
I think your perception of what they actually do is making you beleive that. So understand the broader spectrum?...personal trainers? id like to hear more about that
I not getting touchy just my opinion georgen
But there is
Most "letter after namers" look at research. "this research shows that there is a lot of force on the low back during the deadlift. A lot of force can lead to injury. Therefore, deadlifts should not be done." and never see outside the lab to any real application
actually people specialise. Some might specialise in research, while others in performance enhancement. I mean look at the top clubs in the world like Man united, They dont employ personal trainers they emply exercise sport scientists and exercise physiologists to get the best out of their team. I mean personal trainers have their place but in the whole grand sheme of things you know....
Believe me I would take the advice of a good coach or good athlete over a stick figure PHD any day. Why? They understand the broader spectrum of training, both inside and outside the research lab, and it adds to my personal experience.
I think your perception of what they actually do is making you beleive that. So understand the broader spectrum?...personal trainers? id like to hear more about that
I not getting touchy just my opinion georgen
I guess I do not know how to respond to whatever you just said????
Apparently you have not spent much time around great coaches and athletes. If you had, you would understand what the broader spectrum is.
You keep going back to personal trainers when I am talking about coaches and athletes????
Even then, You must not have spent much time around great personal trainers either.
So, I guess we are done.
Apparently you have not spent much time around great coaches and athletes. If you had, you would understand what the broader spectrum is.
You keep going back to personal trainers when I am talking about coaches and athletes????
Even then, You must not have spent much time around great personal trainers either.
So, I guess we are done.
Machines have their place, although once someone can do the weighted exercises safely, then they are usually past that place.
I just realized we have a Fitness something class at my college. I usually see the kids in the weight room doing the same exercises with no real ryhme or reason. I guess its tough though with only an hour a week.
I just realized we have a Fitness something class at my college. I usually see the kids in the weight room doing the same exercises with no real ryhme or reason. I guess its tough though with only an hour a week.
The machine comment was probably for liability purposes. If there are 20-something unexperienced people slinging free weights around with limited supervision - someone will probably end up losing an eye.
Once they didn't fall over and break their necks from moving some weight, and understand the basics a little - time to move it on up to the free weights.
Once they didn't fall over and break their necks from moving some weight, and understand the basics a little - time to move it on up to the free weights.
I agree Deschain.
Yesterday we had these little skill/enurance tests..
I could only do 12 push ups in a row and 3 chin ups... i suck lol
I did 48 sit ups in 60 seconds.. I don't know if that's good, but it was the best in the class.
I could only run/jog/walk 1.2 miles in 12 minutes.. I sure hope that get's better. I hate cardio lol
Yesterday we had these little skill/enurance tests..
I could only do 12 push ups in a row and 3 chin ups... i suck lol
I did 48 sit ups in 60 seconds.. I don't know if that's good, but it was the best in the class.
I could only run/jog/walk 1.2 miles in 12 minutes.. I sure hope that get's better. I hate cardio lol
Don't feel bad, some of my high school boys can't do any chin ups. Soooo...I presented a solution=we start every class with push ups, chin ups, crunches, and supermans. And they love me for it.
ummm, yeah.
Well, the carb rec. is probably based on the new MyPyramid guidelines, which aren't, imo, at all geared toward fitness or wt loss - more the "average healthy adult" type thing. Either way, lots of fitness type people don't particularly care for the recommendations of the USDA, AHA, ADA,.......
oh, and gee, I thought everyone knew the key to perfect abs was to do hundreds of crunches every day.
yeah, 3 is pretty good. Before I started getting shape, I couldn't do any. Over the past year or so I gained the strength to do 6 on my good days. I generally test myself on days when I haven't done any other upper body work. So I guess I can only do about 3 on days where I have worked my upper body.