What I've learned so far in class...

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Ok, so I had to get my required PE credit out of the way, so I decided to take a weight training class...

So far, I have learned..

-all beginners should start out on machines only.
-this body composition scale they have gives a more acurate bf% than callipers.
-full sit ups are your friend
-cardio is most important (over weight training)
-how many push ups you can do is a sign of muscular strenght, not muscular endurance

Are any of those true? as I am now a bit confused. Does she know what she is talking about or not? Is there any body comp scale that could be more accurate than callipers?
 
Wow, that's just awful.

Nae82 said:
-all beginners should start out on machines only.
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Why?

-this body composition scale they have gives a more acurate bf% than callipers.
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What body comp scale?

Most likely it's not, unless the end-user of the caliper is a moron.

-full sit ups are your friend
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Opposed to?

-cardio is most important (over weight training)
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Hahahahahaha.

-how many push ups you can do is a sign of muscular strenght, not muscular endurance
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For the totally untrained, certainly.
 
Do you know if your professor/teacher is approachable for debate or studies? I had great kinesiology professors that welcomed questions/debates/study findings that contradicted their knowledge/texts.

Ask her this-
If a persons amount of muscle is directly linked with a higher BMR, then why is cardio more important than weight training?
 
Nae82 said:
Ok, so I had to get my required PE credit out of the way, so I decided to take a weight training class...

So far, I have learned..

-all beginners should start out on machines only.
-this body composition scale they have gives a more acurate bf% than callipers.
-full sit ups are your friend
-cardio is most important (over weight training)
-how many push ups you can do is a sign of muscular strenght, not muscular endurance

Are any of those true? as I am now a bit confused. Does she know what she is talking about or not? Is there any body comp scale that could be more accurate than callipers?
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This teacher serious?! He/she needs to back off the from buying cracker jack boxes and getting the certificates inside for the credentials. :)

Free weights are far better, I think the free movement reasons speak for themselves (on healthy persons and not injured)

Full situps are not ones friend, in my opinion (when she said situps were ones friend, what was her reason? LOL)

Cardio is not more important than weight training. (they both have their placement). What reason did she give? LOL
 
Whoa. I'm just a dude, but a I'd like to think a dude with some knowledge and I'd have to disagree with all of those. I can see where a couple might have some debatable points, but as a whole, I couldn't argure for any those statements.
 
stroutman81 said:
Why?
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She did't exactly say and I just kind of let it be since I was able to convince her I had been lifting and am "allowed" to use the free weights.

My guess is that there are 20+ of us and one of her and maybe she feels like there is less chance of injury using machines.. i really don't know. She did say that in the Weight Training 102 class, they focus more on using free wieghts... I'll look at it like this.. if most people are using the machines.. that will at least give me more room in the free weight area... just have to have a spotter.

stroutman81 said:
What body comp scale?

Most likely it's not, unless the end-user of the caliper is a moron.
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I didn't look at the brand name or anything, but I can ask next Tuesday. I questioned the fact that it was more accurate though and she looked at me crazy and said yes it is more accurate.

I, honestly, have never had my bf% measured, but the scale gave me 21.2%.

stroutman81 said:
Opposed to?
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Any ab iso, I guess. She said that at the end of every class, we will all get together and do abs together which will be sit ups.

stroutman81 said:
For the totally untrained, certainly.
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makes sense.

evolution said:
Do you know if your professor/teacher is approachable for debate or studies? I had great kinesiology professors that welcomed questions/debates/study findings that contradicted their knowledge/texts.

Ask her this-
If a persons amount of muscle is directly linked with a higher BMR, then why is cardio more important than weight training?
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I'm not sure Evo. The look I received after questioning her about the body comp scale tells me no, but I will see.

Chillen said:
This teacher serious?! He/she needs to back off the from buying cracker jack boxes and getting the certificates inside for the credentials. :)

Free weights are far better, I think the free movement reasons speak for themselves (on healthy persons and not injured)

Full situps are not ones friend, in my opinion (when she said situps were ones friend, what was her reason? LOL)

Cardio is not more important than weight training. (they both have their placement). What reason did she give? LOL
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I believe her statement was something like this...
"Since you all opted to take this weight training class, unfortunately we will not have time to get too far into the most important aspect of person fitness which is cardiovascular training."

I didn't ask why, I just wanted to get into the gym and do my workout.
I guess I better pay attention to THEIR way of teaching since that is what I will be tested on.
 
I feel really sorry for you, the woman is a moron.
I have a horrible and persistant shoulder injury caused by stupid machines from when I didn't know any better, I also started to get knee pains when using the leg press but have had no such problems with squats.

I guess sometimes you have to suck it up and say what they want to here. However I would put in a complaint about the course to the establishment and make sure you go in well armed with evidence that you're right
 
It's a shame that in order to be certified you have to learn a bunch of crap, answer wrong on questions on the test. And if you want to be a good trainer when you are done, you have to forget everything you have learned..
 
just wanted to make sure i wasn't losing it lol..


and Karky.. I'm not getting a certification or anything.. I just have to take some Physical Education class as a requirement for my degree (which has nothing to do with fitness) I could have chosen swimming, or even bowling.. but I chose weight training so I could possibly know out 2 birds with one stone.. getting my credit for class and getting my workout in at the same time.

oh well.. just thought I would share what they are teaching lol

Evo, can I come take your class instead? lol

seriously though, i doubt many people in my class will take it much further than the class. they don't seem to want to be there in the first place.
 
Nae82 said:
-all beginners should start out on machines only.
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This certainly has its place if you agree or disagree, it allows the beginner to complete proper form while gaining muscle strength, decreasing the chances of improper form and hence injury in the transition to free weights.

Nae82 said:
-this body composition scale they have gives a more acurate bf% than callipers.
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Yes, and one who has done calipers knows theres certainly a percentage of human error, its not as easy as some people think at least for most people.

Nae82 said:
-full sit ups are your friend
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Unless you like to hurt and neglect your back :)

Nae82 said:
-cardio is most important (over weight training)
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Right, i think she was talking in the context of increasing fitness though.
 
how many times do we have to repeat the reasons why machines are bad, also for beginners? Machines don't use propper form. They force your joints to use the machines range of motion, a ROM that's probobly not your natrual rom.
 
Nae82 said:
She did say that in the Weight Training 102 class, they focus more on using free wieghts...
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Maybe you could demonstrate to her that you have the fundamentals down and be given advanced standing to enter the 102 class(in which case i'd also make sure it was a different teacher). Otherwise your likely to be driving yourself crazy for the whole semester and not learning anything.
 
Why does it seem like most trainers (even the ones that go do college!) don't know anything?
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Mostly because certifications and college don't really teach you anything about real training.

The only thing that can teach "real" training are experience, good coaches, and athletes who are good at training.
 
goergen1 said:
Mostly because certifications and college don't really teach you anything about real training.

The only thing that can teach "real" training are experience, good coaches, and athletes who are good at training.
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Umm as far as i know theres no degrees at university for becoming a "personal trainer". Your whole last sentence is basically all on the foundation of higher education...not any quick qualifications though such as becoming trainers..
 
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