What is your "Eating Economy"?

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Wet Wolf said:
Tofu is a processed & refined food and contains soy. Yes, chicken breast, turkey breast( I prefer ground turkey breast made into patties mix in soy sauce, & seasoning) and definately fish.
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So why is Tofu wrong to eat because it is refined and "contains soy"?! Yet in your very next line you say you "mix in soy sauce" into your turkey patties. It's refined and contains huge amounts of sodium!

You still haven't answered why you should cut out coffee and replace it with tea.
 
Wow, interesting thread. I don't know how I didn't come across this sooner. I'm aware that simply for posting here, I'm likely to get some sort of negative finger-pointing comment regarding whatever I say, *sigh* but here I go anyway...

I don't plan on nitpicking all of the negative things and inconsistencies that I've seen throughout Wet Wolf's posts, but this one stands out to me and hasn't really been commented on yet:

Wet Wolf said:
Please share with all of us your current weight? So we can see how well loads of cottage cheese and yogurt and coffee have helped you.

FYI- it's never a good thing to insult someones appearance, especially for displaying dedication and eating smart, even if you think it looks disgusting. Just as it would never be smart for someone to say that a very obese person looked disguesting because they were so fat.

I would like to see you show a little more maturity next time before inflicting insults at other peoples appearance.
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You're asking for maturity when you've insulted someone by ASSUMING that they've been unsuccessful in their weight loss efforts (remember what you posted earlier about assuming?) In one line you insinuated that someone was still fat, then in the next line say that it's not good to insult someone's appearance. So much for maturity.

Wet Wolf... It may very well turn out that dairy isn't good for us to have... The issue that members are having is that they are asking for information to support your claims and you're not giving it. You're stating things in point form, but you're not coughing up the reliable source information. You did post one link, but that is still not the source information.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I do think that certain foods are 'pushed' onto us by way of 'government' food guides and pyramids based on agricultural interests. In fact, if you look at much of the material on the US food guide pyramid, the author appears to be the US Department of Agriculture. I don't know the percentage of the population that is lactose intolerant. I am definitely one of them and I know many others, but there are people who's bodies deal with lactose just fine. I would like to know if the studies (if there are any) or information that you have about dairy being bad for people is based on those who are lactose intolerant or on those who are not lactose intolerant.

As for the question that has been repeatedly asked regarding coffee vs. tea, can we please see the source information/studies on that as well? I, personally, would like to know that information and it seems that others would value the information as well.

Turning on people and saying things like "you seriously don't know why that's bad/good for you?" and then not giving good supporting evidence or examples is not actually supporting your claims. If this information that you're trying to impart on everyone should be common knowledge and everyone should already know what to eat/not eat... then you posting on here is completely pointless because all of the information you have is already "common knowledge."

There are many disagreements on this forum and yet, most people still get along just fine because they talk about these disagreements in a constructive way. I've seen some of your other posts on this forum and I've yet to come across one that doesn't seem abrasive or insulting toward the person you're talking to. There are ways to get your opinions and information across without insulting other members. Yes, it's true that you're following the forum rules about not posting spam, but did you read the rules about insulting other members?

Looking forward to learning some quality information from you.

Cheers,

P.
 
BigLyn10 said:
So why is Tofu wrong to eat because it is refined and "contains soy"?! Yet in your very next line you say you "mix in soy sauce" into your turkey patties. It's refined and contains huge amounts of sodium!
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I forgot to touch on this... Wet Wolf... have you ever read the nutrition label on a bottle of soy sauce (light, low sodium, 'healthy' versions all included)?.... yikes
 
I weigh 155 :) Depending on style/cut I wear a size 6 or a size 8 pant :) I eat dairy, primarily cheese and yogurt.

I <3 cheese, but I moderate it because it is high calorie. Greek yogurt on the other hand, I consider perfect. High protein, not too much processing, and there are a lot of studies extolling the health benefits of fermented foods such as yogurt and kefir.

In fact, the link that WetWolf posted about dairy suggested that if you are tolerant of dairy (And I have gone six weeks without dairy to see if it made any difference to my energy levels/health - again what that page suggested - and saw no change) that you should try to eat primarily dairy products such as yogurt and kefir. Go figure!

Really though, the main reasons that page said not to eat dairy were that it doesn't have that much bone health benefit and that some people were intolerant. Oh, and that calcium might have an association with some cancers. Like practically every other food we eat. Really the 'risks' associated with dairy according to the linked page seem pretty low.

Even people who are lactose intolerant can eat yogurt though - the enzymes that turn it into yogurt break down the lactose so it doesn't cause issues. Other than that I don't see what's wrong with dairy other than... it's dairy.

The bit about lactose being a sugar would make a lot more sense if fructose weren't fine - even though there are definitely some issues with too much fructose. (I say too much because if you're eating at a caloric deficit or maintenance, the fructose doesn't much matter - but if you're gaining weight, too much fructose can lead you to put on the visceral fat which is associated with many health risks). While I don't believe in cutting out fruit from a diet, to me it at least makes more sense than zero dairy.

Unless your main reason to cut dairy is that it's often high calorie density. But that's not a health risk, and you can easily deal with that by... not eating so many calories.

I also have good bone density but I can't say for sure it's because I drank a lot of milk growing up :) Anecdotally I started gaining weight when I went away to college and started drinking more soda and less milk. Hmmm.
 
Thank you PLB for your comments! I'm glad to have someone with your magnitude of nutritional knowledge and expertise chime in on the topic :)

hopefully we can start to sort out the facts from fiction in this thread.
 
I've answered everyone's questions.

PLB- Not exactly sure what your question was about soy sauce.

Here is my stance on condiments ( ketchup, A1, soy sauce, seasoning etc etc) is 2 tbls per day.

I had a young lady sign up with me who had stage 1 lymphedema and had to totally omit as much sodium/salt/alcohol as possible(impossible to get all) from her diet.

Many females have issues with water retention so it's prudent to keep the sodium low.
 
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So um, maybe I missed your answers then -

What's so bad about dairy if you're not lactose intolerant? Other than it has lots of calcium which may not be as good for you as people once thought?

And why is tea ok, but coffee isn't?
 
Jeanette401 said:
So um, maybe I missed your answers then -

What's so bad about dairy if you're not lactose intolerant? Other than it has lots of calcium which may not be as good for you as people once thought?

And why is tea ok, but coffee isn't?
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Yup, you def missed them. I mentioned it at least twice.

I also posted a link that explained 6 reasons why you should avoid dairy.
 
Yes. I read the link that explained the 6 reasons.

The link basically said that dairy has lots of calcium, isn't as good for bone health as people thought, and some people are intolerant. Then it went on to recommend yogurt and kefir as dairy options if you're not intolerant. I asked if there were any other reasons besides these.

And since you answered before, I'm sure it should be easy for you to cut and paste your previous answers so they are easy to find.
 
I think this is a lot cause. I have never seen anybody refusing to answer questions as avidly as WetWolf. Now, there can be two real reasons to refuse to answer a relatively simple question -

1) The person in question doesn't know the answer
or
2) There is no answer.

Take your pick peeps.

We're wasting our time here.
 
I dont' think reading the 1st 2 pages is helpful to anyone. THe 1st page is nothing more than everyone questioning the fact that you posted someones diet publicly without offering any helpful conclusions (and probably did not inform this trusting person that you'd be slandering her diet where everyone can see) and on the 2nd page, the only thing you did say was this :

Wet Wolf said:
I told her the same thing I have mentioned in this thread.

AS you can see from the diet she was eating a low carb yogurt several times a day.

Yogurt is a processed and refined food. This is NOT optimal for nutrition , speeding up the metabolism and fat loss.

I told her to drop the yogurt and all dairy because it's full of lactose( sugar) and NOT optimal for someone focused on burning fat.

I told her to add a lean piece of chicken, turkey or fish with each meal and a low g/i carb source like organic brown rice or quinoa or red beans.

Also have a fiberous cruciferous leafy green salad twice per day with some olive oil on it.

I told her to take out the coffee and stick with water, green, white or black tea.

She was eating MUCH more food, had very little hunger and had far more energy.
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You only said that all dairy was full of sugar and not good for burning fat. But thats it. You never backed that statement up...all you did is post some doctors opinion as to why he thought dairy was bad. There was no actual proof posted,no real case studies, just someones 2 cents.

So what if dairy does have alot of sugar in it. It also has lots of vitamins thats beneficial to your body...so it comes back to portion control.
 
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Wet Wolf said:
Oh Contrary!

I have a feeling it will benefit you regardless if you re-read the first 2 pages.
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ROFL - I said it should be easy for you to do it. But you're disagreeing so... I have to admit that it would NOT be easy for you to cut & paste your answers if you never actually answered the questions before.

Also I find it hilarious you suggest I read the first 2 pages when no one even asked why you said coffee was bad, but tea was ok until page 3.

Awesome-sauce.

Still waiting, but not holding my breath ;)
 
Wet Wolf reread my post # 61 of this thread.

You have not answered the questions I asked!

Most likely because you don't know.
 
Wet Wolf said:
I've answered everyone's questions.

PLB- Not exactly sure what your question was about soy sauce.

Here is my stance on condiments ( ketchup, A1, soy sauce, seasoning etc etc) is 2 tbls per day.

I had a young lady sign up with me who had stage 1 lymphedema and had to totally omit as much sodium/salt/alcohol as possible(impossible to get all) from her diet.

Many females have issues with water retention so it's prudent to keep the sodium low.
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Well my question there was... have you ever read the label on a bottle of soy sauce?... if you have, I'm sure you'd at least have some comment on the quantity of sodium among other things, such as how processed soy sauce is.

I think you may have missed my post before that one, rest assured, there will be some questions you can answer there. I may not have formed them as questions, but it should be pretty obvious as to what information I was looking for from you.

I think that is a reasonable stance on condiments... limiting to 2 tbsp per day combined would limit the amount of undesirable and excess sugar/salt/additives, etc. that some people get from these items on a daily basis.

As I mentioned before, the link that you posted does not give the source information... I could look for this information myself (which I will do), but since you brought up that side of this debate, it's your responsibility to come up with the evidence. An MD stating his opinion on a website is not credible evidence. If you provide us with the information from his references, we may stop bugging you to come up with a good argument against eating dairy products. We'll be able to take that information and agree with it, or maybe not, but at least we'll have the information, not just your personal opinion.

As far as the question about coffee vs. tea that people keep asking you about... You're advising people that drinking coffee everyday can contribute to adrenal fatigue - granted. I think everyone's question is "Why do you say that tea is OK?" As someone has said already, tea can have just as much, if not more caffeine than the same volume of coffee... since caffeine is the culprit being talked about here, why is tea OK and coffee isn't?

Anyways, I'm not expecting that you'll answer any of this considering the way the thread has gone so far. What I'd propose is that each person involved who still wants info... do a little bit of research, come back and post what you find (no ads please!) and we can discuss the pros & cons.

If everyone has lost interest, fair enough. I've been researching some of these issues and I'll post once I have some good info.

Cheers everyone! :)
 
Reading the comments on the linked article has been fairly entertaining. Learning that the MD that authored it doesn't believe in disease (as cited in a salon article) was pretty humorous.

As a side note, you may also find Denise Minger's dissection of the China Study interesting as well.

I'm also still curious as to why lactose shouldn't be eaten because it's a sugar, but fructose is fine. Here's an interesting article talking about fructose (but not lactose!)
 
i think here some misunderstanding going on then next time moderator display original written post and hope for good topics with coming for very healthy discussion.
 
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