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I must admit that it actually made me laugh out loud when I saw that post. Talk about 'Wrong time, wrong place!!'....
What is your "Eating Economy"?
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I must admit that it actually made me laugh out loud when I saw that post. Talk about 'Wrong time, wrong place!!'....
Wet Wolf
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oops, my bad. Thanks for the heads up!
Wet Wolf
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Duly noted.
However I did explain the qualities of what a High Eating Economy looks like.
Are you asking what *Examples* of foods should be included in a High Eating Economy?
Realize that if you are asking this then you are admitting you do not know what the following are: lean protein sources, low g/i carbs, fresh fruits and vegetables & healthy fats. (not a judgement call here just trying to get on the same page)- as I listed this description in the opening post.
San, BL, Emrld- I have to run now but I'll answer your questions later today.
Tik
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The only thing I don't know is low g/i carbs. I would love to know if this is simply ww carbs or something more!
As well, would you consider tofu as a lean protein source? Or is this mostly lean skinless chicken, turkey and fish?
As for me - well, I certainly didn't get into a situation where I needed to lose 50+ lbs eating a good diet. However, I am trying to make improvements and changes to my diet and lifestyle, changes that I know i can make for the long-term rather than a temporary diet.
It is my goal to have a properly portioned diet consisting of fruits, vegs, lean proteins, whole grain crabs, and little to no refined sugar...daily I try my best to meet these goals, but I am not always successful. So with that said, I know my diet is of low economy - but I don't think this means it's necessarily unhealthy.
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San2
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Huh?
Why would that be so?
You failed to explain what high eating economy actually entails, or why those foods are 'better' than others - all you posted was some harsh criticism of somebody else's meal plan, without so much as a notion of why it wasn't 'right' or 'ideal'.
It seems to be your way or the highway, meaning that everybody who doesn't agree with your 'eating economy' idea is doing it wrong - the biggest problem I see is that not two people are the same, and what works for some doesn't work for others. You're trying to force a cookie cutter idea on people who have entirely different backgrounds and needs.
Most importantly, this forum isn't just about 'fast fat loss'. It's about healthy, sustainable, maintainable weight loss.
I honestly don't believe the kind of lifestyle and diet you are trying to 'enforce' tick any of those boxes.
Wet Wolf
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Besides the fact dairy is a processed & refined food it is also loaded with lactose ( sugar). Processed foods + lactose are poor choices for people who want to optimize fat loss.
Dairy offers little if any benefits and has negative affects as well.
Don't believe me? Check this out-->
Nothing is wrong with simply drinking a (1) cup of coffee once a blue moon. But thats not really what we are talking about is it? Chronic ( as in a cup a day since forever) coffee drinkers usually suffer from adrenal fatigue. Often these folks are the very ones who struggle with stubborn fat loss. And it's often coffee + energy drinks + fat loss stimulants.
Drinking coffee won't make you fat but it can contribute to adrenal fatigue and make the fat loss process more difficult. [/QUOTE]
Nothing could be further from the truth. OF COURSE eating is a Good Idea!? Are you kidding me? Saying eating isn't a good idea a very pernicious lie that could plant the seed for an eating disorder.
Healthy eating is CRUCIAL for fat loss and vital for a healthy body.
1) Healthy eating speeds up the metabolism.
2) Promotes Nutrient Partioning
3) Healthy eating ( especially fats) coerces the body to burn stubborn body fat
Actually if you stopped eating you would damage your metabolism, risk health issues, break down your immune system and sacrifice burning organ /muscle tissue for fuel.
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Wet Wolf
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Healthy nutrient dense fresh food being superior to processed/refined food isn't up for debate.
Thats akin to suggesting a row boat is faster than a speed boat, kinda silly.
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Wet Wolf
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Some of the best complex carb sources ( not including veggies- I consider them to be fiberous) are red/black beans, yams, sweet potato, steamed brown rice, steel cut oats & quinoa.
Tofu is a processed & refined food and contains soy. Yes, chicken breast, turkey breast( I prefer ground turkey breast made into patties mix in soy sauce, & seasoning) and definately fish.
Thats a fair shake Tik, plus you seem open to listening to logic and reason so I'm sure you will do well.
If you have any more questions just ask.
San2
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I already told you that your assumption of diary being processed is wrong. Milk is not processed (at least not at the time it comes out of the cow), and neither is yoghurt if made with natural ingredients. Could you please go back and re-read my post, and just answer the questions?
Also, fructose is just as counter-productive, seen as it is nothing other than sugar. Fruit contains high amounts of fructose. Why is fructose alright, but not lactose?
Seen it, smiled about it. Check this out --->
Effects of dairy intake on weight loss:
Two studies out of several hundred that indicate that diary does actually support weight loss, rather than hinder it, because the diary calcium reduces the amount of fat that is being absorbed from the food. Surely that's a good thing, right?
Importance of dairy in general:
I have no clue what you are talking about. You never specified what amounts you were talking about, you just categorically decided that coffee is bad.
Personally, I drink coffee every day, 1 - 2 cups. I don't suffer from fatigue, and I've never touched an energy drink in my life.
Additionally, you suggested drinking black tea instead of coffee. Incidentally, black tea contains theine, which just happens to be....caffeine. Who'd have thought. It's exactly the same stuff, only that a cup of black tea can actually have up to three times the amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee.
I was being sarcastic. I apologise, I should have explained better. I am aware that not eating is not exactly healthy for the human body. I wish you would stop throwing the phrase 'eating disorder' around all the time though. Not everybody who has an eye on portion size or calories is developing an eating disorder. Do you even know what an eating disorder really is?
I noticed that you didn't really answer any of my questions from the other post. I am not sure if you can't, or simply don't want to because then you would have to admit that not everything you insist on is true.
Oh, I got your PM's by the way. Don't worry about hurting my feelings, feel free to say whatever you want on here. I had plenty of people disagree with me, or say things that I didn't like. I am a big girl, I can take it.
The pictures on the website made me want to 'hurl' because it seems to advertise the extreme muscle look. I find it extremely unattractive, for men and women alike. For me, there is absolutely nothing appealing about a woman with a six-pack, or a man with over-defined muscles. It looks ridiculous at best, and downright disgusting at the worst.
I don't mind people who are lean and in shape, don't get me wrong, and I don't mind some muscle, but these extreme body builder types are just not my cup of tea.
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Tik
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The pictures on the website made me want to 'hurl' because it seems to advertise the extreme muscle look. I find it extremely unattractive, for men and women alike. For me, there is absolutely nothing appealing about a woman with a six-pack, or a man with over-defined muscles. It looks ridiculous at best, and downright disgusting at the worst.
I don't mind people who are lean and in shape, don't get me wrong, and I don't mind some muscle, but these extreme body builder types are just not my cup of tea.
on a lighter note, perhaps a high economic diet also includes daily spray tans! 
Wet Wolf
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I already told you that your assumption of diary being processed is wrong. Milk is not processed (at least not at the time it comes out of the cow), and neither is yoghurt if made with natural ingredients. Could you please go back and re-read my post, and just answer the questions?
Also, fructose is just as counter-productive, seen as it is nothing other than sugar. Fruit contains high amounts of fructose. Why is fructose alright, but not lactose?
Seen it, smiled about it. Check this out --->
Effects of dairy intake on weight loss:
Two studies out of several hundred that indicate that diary does actually support weight loss, rather than hinder it, because the diary calcium reduces the amount of fat that is being absorbed from the food. Surely that's a good thing, right?
Importance of dairy in general:
I have no clue what you are talking about. You never specified what amounts you were talking about, you just categorically decided that coffee is bad.
Personally, I drink coffee every day, 1 - 2 cups. I don't suffer from fatigue, and I've never touched an energy drink in my life.
Additionally, you suggested drinking black tea instead of coffee. Incidentally, black tea contains theine, which just happens to be....caffeine. Who'd have thought. It's exactly the same stuff, only that a cup of black tea can actually have up to three times the amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee.
I was being sarcastic. I apologise, I should have explained better. I am aware that not eating is not exactly healthy for the human body. I wish you would stop throwing the phrase 'eating disorder' around all the time though. Not everybody who has an eye on portion size or calories is developing an eating disorder. Do you even know what an eating disorder really is?
I noticed that you didn't really answer any of my questions from the other post. I am not sure if you can't, or simply don't want to because then you would have to admit that not everything you insist on is true.
Oh, I got your PM's by the way. Don't worry about hurting my feelings, feel free to say whatever you want on here. I had plenty of people disagree with me, or say things that I didn't like. I am a big girl, I can take it.
The pictures on the website made me want to 'hurl' because it seems to advertise the extreme muscle look. I find it extremely unattractive, for men and women alike. For me, there is absolutely nothing appealing about a woman with a six-pack, or a man with over-defined muscles. It looks ridiculous at best, and downright disgusting at the worst.
I don't mind people who are lean and in shape, don't get me wrong, and I don't mind some muscle, but these extreme body builder types are just not my cup of tea.
LOL! Wet Wolf = amused by Typical obligatory response with silly scientific lab study.
You're the type of person who would believe cupcakes were good for you if you found some silly scientific article that said so.
Please share with all of us your current weight? So we can see how well loads of cottage cheese and yogurt and coffee have helped you.
FYI- it's never a good thing to insult someones appearance, especially for displaying dedication and eating smart, even if you think it looks disgusting. Just as it would never be smart for someone to say that a very obese person looked disguesting because they were so fat.
I would like to see you show a little more maturity next time before inflicting insults at other peoples appearance.
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Wet Wolf
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San2
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I'm glad I could amuse you with scientific facts.
I see you decided to go back to insulting people when you run out of arguments. We had a conversation about your attitude before, do you need a reminder?
I do not eat cottage cheese, or even yoghurt right now. And I have one cup of coffee per day. Please don't assume just because you would love to prove me wrong.
If you need to know, I have lost nearly 175 lbs over the last three years.
For your information, you insulted my intelligence earlier in your post. I do not take too kindly to this kind of thing. Consider this a warning.
I didn't hurl insults at anybody. I commented on their appearance, and stated that I feel it looks disgusting. Personal taste. If somebody puts their picture out there, they will have to deal with somebody having an opinion about it. And if somebody goes and tells me that they think that I look disgusting because I am fat, then you know what? I would agree with them whole-heartedly. Hence me being busy losing weight.
So, I assume you have decided not to answer any of the questions I asked you. I never really expected you to, to be honest. I've seen this soooo often. So-called experts coming to this website and spouting a lot of stuff, then refusing to back up what they are saying. Sad, because some of your stuff makes sense actually.
San2
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I don't know everything. I don't even know half of it. I don't run around claiming I know it all either.
I asked questions, and I wanted answers. And I stated why I asked the questions in the first place. If I knew it all, I wouldn't be here, and in the situation I am.
I am trying to learn, just like everybody else. I simply expect the people I am learning from to prove that what they tell me is the right thing to do. What is wrong with that?
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