Weightloss Surgery Kills 1 in 50

[Educator]

A lady in my office had the surgery and she has such severe problems. She's constantly stinking up the bathroom from constant diarreah and literally farts every second of the day. She still eats a whole bunch of junk as she is totally addicted to food. And when she eats sugar her bowel problems are worse but she'll risk it for the love of her food. In her case I would say she's like an alcoholic that needs her food. Poor thing! She did go from over 500 lbs to around 250 to 300 lbs, but I'm not sure it was all worth it? She had a very severe infection recently in the unused part of her bowels, which was taken over by bacteria because its not cleaned out since its no longer in use. Pooor poor lady!

I hear stories like that all the time. It is tragic. A competent counselor and nutritionist could have helped her. In the case of food addiction (something that is quite rare) there are effective treatments.

Some of the foul odor you are smelling is coming from her body. Extreme weight loss causes that. At the risk of being indelicate I have noticed that many fat people emit unpleasant odors. Some of it is caused due to poor hygiene. Many obese people have a large panniculus



It is impossible for them to ever clean under it. Then there is the problem of wiping after a bowel movement.

They also have bad breath because during extreme weight loss they are burning ketones instead of glucose and that causes foul breath.

The reason this lady is craving sugar in because she is in ketosis and her brain is screaming for glucose. Many WLS patients become suicidal because prolonged ketosis causes psychosis. This poor lady is up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

 

[Blancita]

This lady had her surgery years ago now so she's not losing, she's already gained back a bunch of the weight. She is not craving sugar because of your stated reasons, but because she has ALWAYS craved sugar. That's how she became 500 lbs. I am in total agreement with your outlook on the surgery though, it is so true that you've just F'd up a perfectly running digestive system. That is SO SCARY that anyone would do that to themselves. I feel so sorry for people that are at such a loss for how to fix their problems that they revert to this measure.

 

[Educator]

Educator, you should be advertising your "wares" on google or elsewhere. This site is not here for self-appointed weight loss "gurus" to advertise their services. It is here to make money for the owner who pays the costs, not you. If you have some advice, share it, but this sad pathetic ploy of yours to insult people and state the obvious and then advise our members that you can help them for a price if they PM you is not cool or wanted around here.

I am not advertising and goods or services. I have too many clients now. If anyone wants my counsel on this forum it is absolutely free. They client I see in person pay me only if they feel I have been helpful and they pay what they can afford. If they cannot afford my services I do it pro bono.

I am not getting rich. I do not exploit this epidemic in an ungodly capitalist sense.

I don't know why you are saying that. It is an outright lie. I am not some typical mercenary shrink or MD who blows smoke and keeps patients coming back for more worthless lip service. I get people fixed in a few sessions. There is a reason I can do this. Unlike most other in the field, I know what I am doing and I am not a money grubbing charlatan. I sell no products. I tell my client if they want to do Jenny Craig that Stoufers Lean Cuisine is better and I tell them that Wal-Mart sells it for less. I clip coupons for Slim Fast if they are talking about Medifast and I explain why SlimFast is a superior product although I do not recommend it very often.

I am not soliciting business here. If I were I would be doing a whole lot of ass kissing and pandering. If someone wants my advice I will give it for free. I do not seek nor will I accept any sort of payment. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU!

I resent the insinuation. Please stop lying about me.

 

[maleficent]

I help people to find that sane inner voice and accurate compass that keep them on the right course.

I'm pretty sure we've been over with this as your alter ego before and you didn't answer the question then...

How do you accomplish this?

 

[Blancita]

I am not advertising and goods or services. I have too many clients now. If anyone wants my counsel on this forum it is absolutely free. They client I see in person pay me only if they feel I have been helpful and they pay what they can afford. If they cannot afford my services I do it pro bono.

I am not getting rich. I do not exploit this epidemic in an ungodly capitalist sense.

I don't know why you are saying that. It is an outright lie. I am not some typical mercenary shrink or MD who blows smoke and keeps patients coming back for more worthless lip service. I get people fixed in a few sessions. There is a reason I can do this. Unlike most other in the field, I know what I am doing and I am not a money grubbing charlatan. I sell no products. I tell my client if they want to do Jenny Craig that Stoufers Lean Cuisine is better and I tell them that Wal-Mart sells it for less. I clip coupons for Slim Fast if they are talking about Medifast and I explain why SlimFast is a superior product although I do not recommend it very often.

I am not soliciting business here. If I were I would be doing a whole lot of ass kissing and pandering. If someone wants my advice I will give it for free. I do not seek nor will I accept any sort of payment. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU!

I resent the insinuation. Please stop lying about me.

What's TOTALLY CLEAR is that you want to WITHHOLD this supposedly SPECTACULAR advice for those who will contact you. So we start to wonder about that.. And its pretty apparent you get something out of this or you would be engaging in a DISCUSSION with us on this message board. Yes, the point of a message board is to ENGAGE ON THE BOARD not in your PM. The point is not to SOLICIT CLIENTS for free on someone else's board. Go start your own to advertise your services.

 

[Educator]

This lady had her surgery years ago now so she's not losing, she's already gained back a bunch of the weight. She is not craving sugar because of your stated reasons, but because she has ALWAYS craved sugar. That's how she became 500 lbs. I am in total agreement with your outlook on the surgery though, it is so true that you've just F'd up a perfectly running digestive system. That is SO SCARY that anyone would do that to themselves. I feel so sorry for people that are at such a loss for how to fix their problems that they revert to this measure.

In her case the surgery already exacerbated the problem. She probably had food cravings do to improper digestion and absorption of essential minerals. That may have leased to her overeating. She was probably on insulin and that will increase her appetite.

I feel badly for them too but I am more angry and frustrated because they are not getting the help they really need. The women you describe is rare. She is not one of the run of the mill fatties you see everyday. Unlike most obese people, her gluttony probably is something she cannot control.

I have debated bariatirc surgeons. If you think I am being a prick here your should have seen me in action with those bastards. I shot down all their data and I expose the fact that they mislead patients about the risks and benefits. I also found that surgeon who do bypass often do it because the cannot qualify to do the Lap Band. Lap Band sets higher standards and they only allow well trained board certified surgeons to use their product. They do not do this because they are ethical. They do it to avoid litigation. In many states there are no guidelines or certifications as to who can perform gastric bypass surgery.

Doctors today do more harm than good.

 

[Educator]

That kind of news might fly for your average joe, but near all of us on this forum believe in the scientific method of inquiry. The article said the official cause of death was cardiac arrest. If you post an article from a reputable scientific journal making the same claim, and not some televised media broadcast which telecasts anything that stirrs controversy, you'll get further in making your point.





Plonki

Do your own research from the WHO, CDC, Surgeon General, FDA, JAMA, They will tell you it is 1 in 100 deaths but when autopsies are looked at the cause listed is weight loss surgery induced.

Here is a study that shows that WLS increases suicide rates.


In August, The New England Journal of Medicine reported a review of nearly 10,000 bariatric surgery patients by Utah researchers, who compared them to a control group of obese people who had applied for a state driver’s license. Although the surgery patients had a 50 percent lower risk of dying from disease compared to obese people who hadn’t undergone surgery, their risk of dying in an accident or suicide was 11.1 per 10,000 people — that’s 58 percent higher than the 6.4 per 10,000 rate in the obese group. The study suggested the suicide risk was twice as high for surgery patients than for those who had not had surgery.



You also have to keep in mind that all the articles and studies are written by MDs and published by the medical industrial complex. 1 in 50 is probably a low estimate. It may be as high as 1 in 20. Very often when doctors kill someone they have another doctor cover their guilty butt.

 

[Educator]

I'm pretty sure we've been over with this as your alter ego before and you didn't answer the question then...

How do you accomplish this?

I don't accomplish it. They do. If you are asking how they accomplish it they do by getting honest about their gluttony and by understanding the nature of the task at hand. They stop making excuse and they learn the difference between can't and won't.

 

[Blancita]

And they need YOU to figure out that they overeat?

I do wholeheartedly agree with your concerns about the medical industrial complex. Add big pharma to that equation. They are the absolute WORST and so incredibly CORRUPT.

 

[LowFatMilk]

I don't accomplish it. They do. If you are asking how they accomplish it they do by getting honest about their gluttony and by understanding the nature of the task at hand. They stop making excuse and they learn the difference between can't and won't.

So..

What about the skinny gluttons? When are you going to make a thread about them?

 

[Jeanette401]

Read it for yourself.

It is the surgery that kills them. Certainly some would die on their own but the autopsies say it was from surgical complications. WLS is butchery. Doctors are taught to first do no harm. Then greed takes over. Doctors mistakes are the third leading cause of preventable death.

If you read the article is states that the death rate increased fivefold when inexperienced doctors did the butchery.

As to DHMO I advocate its use. What makes it dangerous is when you add sugar, CO2 artificial flavoring and serve serve it at convenience store in huge plastic cups. That form of DHMO is deadly to lemmings.

I did in fact read the article. While it contained two touching stories of people who did die of complications from the surgery, it included no information to draw any further conclusions other than that at least 2 people have died directly from it.

A good study would have included:

• Death rates of post-op on other surgeries.
• Findings on what percentage of these 1 in 50 were actually directly related to the surgery.
• Average life expectancy of people who are heavy enough that they are recommended for this surgery but don't get it.
• Average Life expectancy of those recommended for the surgery who do receive it.

From that you could draw conclusions about the relative usefulness of the surgery. The five-fold increase in deaths with an inexperienced surgeon doesn't tell you anything about the relative safety or the procedure - it speaks to the importance of experience in surgeons.

Frankly, I'm not a fan of bariatric surgery, but I am a fan of learning to draw conclusions rationally. That way people won't just be the victims of every scare tactic out there - witness the "FAT IS EVIL" campaign that led to "low fat" and "fat free" labels leading people to think that calorically dense food was actually healthy.

 

[Educator]

And they need YOU to figure out that they overeat?

I do wholeheartedly agree with your concerns about the medical industrial complex. Add big pharma to that equation. They are the absolute WORST and so incredibly CORRUPT.

I had the pleasure of meeting and speaking with Hillary and Bill Clinton regarding health care. I told them paying for it is the least of our worries. We need to reform and regulate it. Do you realize that an auto mechanic is held to higher standard in the US than an MD?

Perhaps you recall all the damage done by the weight loss drugs Redux and Phen Phen.

Here is an article about the dangers of Meridia.

 

[Educator]

I did in fact read the article. While it contained two touching stories of people who did die of complications from the surgery, it included no information to draw any further conclusions other than that at least 2 people have died directly from it.

A good study would have included:

• Death rates of post-op on other surgeries.
• Findings on what percentage of these 1 in 50 were actually directly related to the surgery.
• Average life expectancy of people who are heavy enough that they are recommended for this surgery but don't get it.
• Average Life expectancy of those recommended for the surgery who do receive it.

From that you could draw conclusions about the relative usefulness of the surgery. The five-fold increase in deaths with an inexperienced surgeon doesn't tell you anything about the relative safety or the procedure - it speaks to the importance of experience in surgeons.

Frankly, I'm not a fan of bariatric surgery, but I am a fan of learning to draw conclusions rationally. That way people won't just be the victims of every scare tactic out there - witness the "FAT IS EVIL" campaign that led to "low fat" and "fat free" labels leading people to think that calorically dense food was actually healthy.

Doctor admit to 1 in 200 deaths due to surgical complications with in the first 30 days. The real death rate is indeed 1 in 50 and it is higher when meatball surgeons do it.

If you consider the data on life expectancy it says it increases life expectancy by 18 months but if you factor in the lives WLS claims it shows WLS is a worthless procedure. If you look at the quality of life issues I think people are better off staying fat. At least they still get to enjoy food. If the manage to grow up and behave responsibly then they still have a healthy and fully functioning digestive system.

 

[ChefChiTown]

I had the pleasure of meeting and speaking with Hillary and Bill Clinton regarding health care. I told them paying for it is the least of our worries. We need to reform and regulate it. Do you realize that an auto mechanic is held to higher standard in the US than an MD?

Perhaps you recall all the damage done by the weight loss drugs Redux and Phen Phen.

Here is an article about the dangers of Meridia.

No you didn't. Bill Clinton is overweight, so if you really did meet with him, you would've just yelled at him, insisting that he is a fat gluttoness piece of shit. Then, one of his bodyguards would've tackled your ass to the ground and kicked the shit out of you. So, no...you have never met Bill or Hillary Clinton.

 

[Educator]

So..

What about the skinny gluttons? When are you going to make a thread about them?

Skinny glutton is an oxymoron. If you are a glutton it is not possible to be skinny. If you are fat it is because you are a glutton. There is only one way to get fat and that is through gluttony.

glut·ton: A person who eats or consumes immoderate amounts of food and drink

Skinny people don't eat immoderate amounts of food and drink.

 

[Steve]

That is false. I act gluttonously with regard to food at times.

It's just not enough to throw me in a net caloric surplus since most of the time I control my intake.

There are days where I binge and binge and binge though.

Because I want to.

Obese people certainly act gluttonously by classical definition.

That does not mean that all gluttons are obese.

 

[Blancita]

Educator, your signature is such BULL SHIT. It pretends that there are never medical issues involved with an inability to lose weight. That is a plain LIE. You are just here to FLAME and upset people. Not much help at ALL.

 

[Educator]

No you didn't. Bill Clinton is overweight, so if you really did meet with him, you would've just yelled at him, insisting that he is a fat gluttoness piece of shit. Then, one of his bodyguards would've tackled your ass to the ground and kicked the shit out of you. So, no...you have never met Bill or Hillary Clinton.

Bill Clinton has been skinny for about 8 years now. He is long and lean.

Here is Bill while President dancing with Hillary.


Here he is now.


I have spoken with Mrs Clinton in person and during a conference call.

I got to meet and speak President Clinton when I was working on Hillary presidential campaign.

Bubba was a disgraceful glutton and it the subject came up I would say it to his face. Bubba is healthy now and now is a much better husband and father.

BTW, he does not have body guards. He has the secret service protecting him. And yes, I met both of the Clintons.

 

[Gator1]

Bill Clinton has been skinny for about 8 years now. He is long and lean.

Here is Bill while President dancing with Hillary.


Here he is now.


I have spoken with Mrs Clinton in person and during a conference call.

I got to meet and speak President Clinton when I was working on Hillary presidential campaign.

Bubba was a disgraceful glutton and it the subject came up I would say it to his face. Bubba is healthy now and now is a much better husband and father.

I should tell you I met George W. Bush and told him in his face that he was a F-ing moron...when the subject came up. We then went onto airforce one and got high.


See how we can say anything we want online and make it to be the truth? Get a life and go back to France you hippy piece of shit.

 

[Blancita]

Bill was a "disgraceful glutton"? Where do you get off judging everyone. What are your issues, everyone has some and I am positive you do as well. Too much alcohol? drugs? road rage? obsessive compulsive cleaning disorder? There's definitely something wrong with your character yet you feel so superior for some odd reason. You are a total asshole and if you weren't moderately entertaining with your judgments and LARGE EGO I would wish you would leave our forum. However, even a troll can be fun every once in a while..