I never said that obese children were suicidal. Children trust their parents to do what is best for them. They don't know that mom and dad are shortening their lifespans and setting them up for serious health problems. They don't know that their parents are not doing right by them. They don't know that the food mom gives them is deadly. Mom knows it is but she gives it to them anyway. Why? Can you figure out a way to explain that away and call that love and good parenting? Explain that Steve.
Point = missed
Actually you conveniently miss most points I've made so I'm not going to spend a terribly large amount of time feeding you as I'm now quite sure you're here to do nothing but troll.
That said, I'll ask again: When is the human mind most impressionable? Once neural pathways are developed, how hard are they to break?
I also have one more question for you.
If you're serious about wanting to commit obese people to mental institutions... if you were truly passionate about that... why would you come to a community that obviously houses many obese members and preach your agenda?
Why not find 'followers' in places where you'd obviously have more luck?
The answer to this question is blantantly obvious. You're here to stir the pot and troll. So I will no longer take you seriously.
When that child becomes an adult. They have a choice. They can continue the abuse and neglect taught taught to them by their parents or they can decide to be rational and honest and get informed about cause of the deplorable condition of their body and take the steps to fix the damage mom did to them or they can choose to continue down the same irrational and dangerous path.
See above.
If you want my respect, tell me now how
you go about doing this. I'm not saying it's impossible because I've witnessed change happen clearly. I'm simply interested in your thoughts. Simply telling them to stop making bad choices doesn't work. I'm sure you're not stupid enough to believe it does. It takes a ton of time and work to change habitual, unconscious thought patterns.
They can decide if social responsibility and a healthy body is more important to them than Ho Hos and Doritos. They can choose hedonism and instant gratification or they can choose altruism and delayed gratification like a mature adult.
So simply, huh.
You're simple minded enough to believe maturity is the sole driver of one's choices, huh?
Wow.
Binary thinking? Is that what you call it when somebody states the obvious?
Nope, that's what I call it when someone tries to reduce an extremely complex subject into right/wrong, either/or, right/wrong.
It's fine to do this to identify the cosmetic problems, which I'll say you've done a fantastic job at. You've identified the primary cause for obesity as an imbalance of intake vs. outtake. Whoopdie-fucking-doo.
But to remain blind to the root problems is foolish.
What do you call it Steve when someone chronically picks a bad food in huge amounts that they know damn well is unhealthy and irresponsible?
A poor choice in relation to their health.
We differ in our beliefs of how and why said decisions are made though. You reduce it to the simple factor of immaturity and laziness.
And to a degree, I'll go as far as to say you're correct. I've met numerous cases where someone truly is just that.
But to lump all cases into this category is just silly.
Choice denotes an act of forethought. Catholics call doing bad things by mistake venial sins but when you know something is wrong and you do it anyway they call it a mortal sin? I don't know what they call it when one continually repeats the process of knowingly do the wrong thing. What are your thoughts on that Steve.
I'll answer this when you explain to me the psychology and science of decision making. What fuels choices? Is everything in conscious control?
Some things really are black and white. Choosing to live a healthy and responsible lifestyle or choosing to live an unhealthy and irresponsible lifestyle are pretty much black and white... either or... There are many ways to confuse the issue, and excuse and absolve bad behavior or you can employ selective rationality to justify it but in the end it comes down to choosing to do the right thing or the wrong thing.
And herein lies your problem.
It's easy to conclude that it comes down to someone choosing right or wrong... in this case they are choosing wrong more than they're choosing right and thus throwing them into a chronic hypercaloric state.
But you're overlooking the complexity of where these choices derive from. Which is why it has to be handled on a case by case basis.
Do you truly believe that forcing the fact that people are lazily making choices that throw them into a hypercaloric state is going to rid the world of obesity?
Answer this question.
This is not what you call binary thinking because there are many shades of gray here. Vegans maybe be more socially and personally responsible that meat eaters. A person practicing CRON may be healthy than a person eating an not so balanced diet with 25% more calories. Then we have people who CHOOSE eat a toxic diet loaded with all sorts of convenience and junk food in extremely immoderate caloric amounts. At that point there is more than enough contrast to make it pretty much black and white. People in this conversation are pissed because I took away all their wiggle room and held in front of them a very accurate mirror.
Delusional much?
Over all Steve your strawman apologetics don't even pass the smell test or the giggle test. You ask if all decisions made are products of logical 'programming' of the unconscious mind? Let me filet and cook that red herring. You know the answer to that. The question should be; Do the 70% of fat and obese American possess the logic and rational thought to pick healthy food and not eat in an immoderate manner? I say they do. If you say they are not capable mentally of doing that then indeed they are a danger to themselves and others.
Woah! You really got me there, boss.
You're logical wit is mesmerizing? Where can I learn such critical assessment skills?
Seriously.
You don't get to pick and choose what the question should be.
You believe based on your experience all people should act rationally based on what you believe to be a preset foundation of values and beliefs.
I believe that there's more, deeper intricacies of the mind that play a large role in decision making. I also believe individual circumstance from childhood through adulthood influence said intricacies.
Opposing viewpoints, which is fine. Accept for the fact that you refuse to accept anything that is not your own, which is a bad position to be in. If you were passionate about your message, you'd think you'd learn to get your message across in a better package.
