The Motivational Generator!

nomorecomebacks

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G'day peeps. It's time for me to get this show on the road. I'm done with this merry go ride of loosing weight and then getting fat! Time is passing pretty quick and sees me struggling harder with each comeback. The comebacks are also fewer and further in between. ll soon be 47 this coming February and 50 not long after that! I'm done with comebacks FULL STOP!

Allow me to show you the typical cycle of what I mean:

This is me at 41: I think no problem, I'll just do what I have done each time before - "exercise"

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6 to 12 months later - Bingo: (I removed the cheesy quotes) Yes that's the same person as above. (Me) It's hard to believe when I look at the comparison
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Sadly - I now come to my point - Maintenance is not my strong point. :( - About 12 to 18 months later:

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Someone is not a happy chappy! I look at that last photo and now understand just how let down I felt. Struggling to keep an even keel has seen me go up and down all my life. I had been relying too much on exercise and now age was catching up. I had abused my body so much early on thinking I could just run some laps and burn it all off in the Gym. As a result, the rich diet I had been binge eating over the years had finally caught up. I was hospitalized and had my Gall Bladder removed. I was told it was a common procedure, a modern day illness that reflects a modern day diet. Unfortunately I was not educated on the importance of the digestive system. Just to eat healthy otherwise expect a bad case of diarrhea. I suffered years of constipation ... but that story I bring up later as is all relevant to what has now formed my new approach.

But here's some irony for this tale. Before I lost my gall bladder from binge eating sugar, salts, fats and all that other yummy stuff, I was hospitalized a few years earlier for binge exercising. A condition that lead to near renal failure - known as Exertional rhabdomyolysis. I won't go any further into that, except to say that when I weigh up the two extremes; something is going to have to give.

I did work out that puzzle, as the near renal failure with exercise happened a few years before my 42 yold buff selfie above. I researched on toxic build up regarding my kidney and used food and water a lot more carefully with recovery periods to continue exercising. Loosing the gall bladder is what really pegged me back with regards to how my body there after changed.

I had issues with gas, esophagitis, constipation, (eventually hemorrhoids) sleep apnea, bladder issues, joint pain and a host of other obesity issues. Like many others, I went onto mood altering drugs to help with anxiety and depression ... New conditions mounted up such as , Light sensitivity, Hives, night sweats, all the way into suicidal tendencies. I've tried many medications over the years - even antipsychotics which really messed me up.

Perhaps more info than anyone would care to read, but here's the thing ? I am nearing 50, have missing body parts, a liver and kidney that's seen better days and a self esteem on par with my innards. This time round is going to take more than a few laps around the block and some weights in the Gym! Hell ... just getting back on my feet has taken a few years. I'm in a good spot right now - developing a good routine ... hence the title to this blog.

The Motivational Generator Diary is to help shed the fist 50lb pounds or so ... establish some goals and make some plans. This time I'll stick around for the maintenance phase instead of being so quick to split.

Now it's time to get some SLEEP. Early start ... Looking forward to it actually. Clothes are folded and waiting. Bid Day Tomorrow. Cardio and shopping day. Looking forward to sharing all my info on food, fasting, sun bathing, resting, sleeping, meditating and many likewise things. I am no where near buff in these early stages, but already I feel free enough to bare my chest as I walk the beach. There is something about this comeback that makes it feel as though it's for life, rather than just another post in yet another thread.


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Adios ... until next post.
 
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Welcome aboard and thanks for sharing your story. I think many of us can relate, (I know I have a lot of trouble with maintenance as well and have been through a few cycles).

Look forward to your updates
 
My pleasure & thanks for the welcome. Maintenance will be my main focus as I now engage to embrace a new lifestyle.
I should get me one of those tickers.

Off to do the shopping, will report later.

Great Nick - KnowAndDo. Very appropriate for me about now.

Cheers.
 
Way to go. I'm also 47. Fortunately haven't had to experience too many set backs health-wise. But I hear ya. This over 40 business isn't fun when you're carrying the extra pounds. I'm really looking forward to following your progress and the info you share.
 
Good luck with your weight loss plan!

I'm not an expert, but just little ideas regarding your health (Which you probably already know a lot about, but in case you didn't know, I'll mention it anyway):
- Given your kidney issues and medical history, maybe avoid protein shakes type of items, because they can sometimes predispose people to acute kidney injuries, and sometimes people use neurofen/voltaren type of painkillers for muscle aches can stack up the kidney injuries
- Kiwifruits and prunes are good for constipation
- Swimming/aqua jogging type of water sports are much easier on the joints if you are obese
 
Hi Lush - I have until the 12th of Feb before having the privilege to count myself 47. (who's counting hey :)) It's nice to be heard. Thanks for the acknowledgement. Much appreciated.

I saw a sub section for people who are struggling with both obesity and other health conditions. I should check it out and share in there as well. I have known a few people like myself that have suffered various health conditions as a direct result from obesity, yet fell into obesity as a direct result of medical treatment for a previous condition. A three pronged fork that has many pegged to a table plagued with unnecessary suffering. Unfortunately not everyone has the insight or will to break free. It was not until I came to discovery just how the drug, food and health industry works, that I realized the only person that could help me; would in fact - have to be me!

A Medical Doctor's Program for Conquering Disease. I've never really liked Doctors or Health professionals much. Nothing personal of course. I just noticed that people don't seem to get better. This book was written by a doctor who upset his colleagues with various claims. I think he is the first doctor I have ever liked. :)
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I will soon be planning for another water fast. I almost did 3 days about a month ago. ALMOST :)

I've done the 5:2 plan. I found that helped me to appreciate low calorie planning, however struggled with the frequency of fasts. (if you could call it that)
After discovering water fasting, the 5:2 felt limiting to me ... almost like a negative trigger to some degree. Re Binge eating. It's a weakness for me. I am compulsive - have an addictive nature. In fact I find many of us do. There are many marketing strategies that feed the cycle of addiction, however I won't rant on about that. I don't mind saying though, that developing a psychological approach with such insight in mind, has really helped me to embrace a much healthier life style. It helped me to make:
"The Decision" The one that really counts. One that this time takes in all that I thought I knew ... and put it all to work.

I'll try to formulate a list the depicts my path to this here thread. I have incorporated so much into my new life style. A little reality check and reshuffling would make for a good assessment and see me consolidate the next leg.

I'm feeling stronger, for the most part ... just need to be careful with my rest and listen to my body. I'm am doing a self made walk run program atm. Being obese and compulsive can lead to injury. This I know well. The good new, is that thus far I am doing rather well.

I talk more on that later.

Edit - Question if I may? ... I can't seem to find the Signature Setting - re to put my weight loss ticker in. Do I need to make a certain number of posts before seeing this option? Perhaps I am looking in the wrong spot. TIA
 
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Thank You Very much for that fevanocturne. That seems like really great advice.

Hey ... I am no professional either. Don't tell anyone, but I really don't accept the words as scripture from those that profess this or that certification and or go by the label of professional. (although at times I am very thankful for them - mostly emergency situations) The world for me, is too complacent, over populated and full of Rice Bubble Packets. I'm really glad you spoke up. Very much so. TY

I have been researching into Kidney foods, checking my urine regularly, the bags under my eyes and especially avoiding protein powders. Interesting note with the medications there. I am even careful of some supps. I'm yet to research more into easily digested proteins Vs those I should avoid. From what I can gather, its all about determining ones percentage of organ function and limiting the work each undergoes.

I'm right into learning all about the chemical process since coming to learn more about my gall bladder issues (life without a gall balder). I am learning all about enzymes and digestion to both ease up the work on my kidneys and liver. (plus lymphatic system I believe)

Your spot on with the medical history - I made a list and picked out my weak points. That's what is dictating most of the food. I am too sick to worry about terms like deprivation, and good taste. Don't get me wrong ... I can taste food a hundred times better than I did before. I am merely talking about a passion of another kind. I am dedicated to healing and braking unhealthy habits. My desires are completely changing, so that what others consider bland, I consider nutritious. Long story ... I go there later.

Thanks a lot for throwing out those recommendations. I love kiwifruit ... only just started. I buy prune juice, but it sure is expensive. I think I will buy prunes as well and see how I go with them too. It seems to be in the amounts, layering and timing.

Re the exercise - Dead right on the warnings. I think when I was born, I hit the floor running. I know well the dangers of Obesity and Running. TY!!! - I will be talking a lot on that ... I know a lot of strapping techniques. LOL But this time I have planed it really well. Will include my version of that soon enough.

Thanks again fevanocturne. Please do continue to share such things or anything else.

Nice to meet you. Glad you popped in. ;)
 
About the signatures, I believe you need to hit ?10? posts before the option shows up in your profile. Looks like you've got the makings of a great plan already and are equipping yourself with all the right tools for a very successful journey.

I'm also a big fan of the walk/run method as it really helps with recovering from the impact of running. Better to go slightly slower and remain uninjured than to go fast and end up broken.
 
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Setting The Scene:

"...Science has proven, beyond doubt that the contents of our thoughts and emotions directly and immediately influence our biochemistry. We can consciously influence and direct the body’s output of healthy chemical information, through meditation and other mental techniques." Link to full version ? Kelly Howell Brain Sync - Healing Meditation. Headphones & an Open Mind required. Excellent for recovery and finding much needed space.

My Flikr Account:

My Flikr account with reveal more about the author of this diary/journal/blog - Me. I am a bit of a digital artist - I only just started taking real art lessons recently. I use to do real estate photography, but have more a passion for Nature. I sold most of my professional gear and now just use a little cheap compact, but mostly phone! I no longer take anything more than I need, nor am a perfectionist. Quite the opposite. I now see perfection in the most Ununiform of places. .

Righto. I think that sets the scene quite well for this entry. I said I would make a list. Before doing that, I just wanted to get a little context for myself. It's taken me a long time and many different approaches to reach this point I now find myself at. My Blog posts will be lengthy at times. These last few entries are nothing compared to my usual musings. Forgive me if I seem self centered as I do appreciate those who take the time to read; but I will often remind myself, that I am my own audience. I find such a mind set is crucial to making hard core decisions that honor myself and the effort I make.

The intensity of how hard I dig is determined more by how my body feels as opposed to the visions I create. Comes down to the Mind Body connection. For me, I have found it more beneficial to reverse the words within the term. My ability to connect with the mind and drive my body has seen me without an off switch my entire life. As already revealed, it almost killed me. So now the Mind Body connection for me, is about allowing my body to control my mind. Yes I am still using my mind to listen to my body, but I am no longer visualizing my body as the goal. I now allow my body to consume my mind. Comes down to that biochemical process where the two become one.

It's different for different people. In this I may not be understood. What's important is that this Diary affords me the opportunity to set the scene that works for me. It's not so much about digging deep, but more about learning to hold the tool before digging at all.
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So lets begin with a list:

Right now though - LOL - My body it telling my mind, it's time to commit to my morning workout before I proceed. See what I mean.

It's an important List - So I will listen to my body and do what I must.

Wishing you all well in today's pursuits. Hopefully it will all just fall into place.

Back soon. :)
 
Hi nomorecomebacks & welcome to the forum. I have been a bit tardy pulling up a a chair, but just caught up with your diary properly this morning. You seem very determined to make permanent healthy changes & I think keeping a diary is a very therapeutic thing to do. I wish you all the best with it & will come back for a visit soon. Cheers, Cate.
 
Thanks for popping in Cate. A chair will always be available whenever your ready. :) Yes I am looking for a healthy lifestyle to see me through until my end. For me it's more about minimizing the deterioration process and embracing life for what it is. Not your run of the mill sales pitch for living longer and or avoiding death. Right now I am drawing from past experience to break down much of the waste I have allowed to build. I'm also learning new techniques and combining both. I'm exercising but motivating on a different scale to that of the past. No more of that "Suck it up Princess" Mentality. That mind set almost killed me. "No Pain - No Gain!" I know that school very well. It's now time to evolve and heal from the damage done.
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A photo I took not so long ago to motivate my intention with environmental change at home.


I've had to make a lot of changes in order to get moving again. It's on par with "The Concrete Decision" that led me to giving up smoking. Such a filthy, destructive and addicting habit that many struggle to break. Like all the other comebacks, I to had to try many times to give up the smokes. The mindset that comes with that "I'm *&%$#@ing Over this *&^t" kind of leads to making some really big changes after years of living in denial. I am done with chasing the magazine look or the standards used to sell the fear of death. So many people live for gloss, but find it hard not to slip! I guess the industry funds the fun that I have been working so hard to have. I'm over all that too. I have lived hard enough and been sick long enough to appreciate just how insignificant most of all that gloss really is.
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Developing a healthy lifestyle - I started living instead of being a case of yet another walking dead/mindless sheep.

SO - it was that I'm now doing things different. I Changed My diet first. I no longer chose to go in guns blazing lifting weights and burning holes in my shoes. I spent a few months working on what I ate and starting to move.

Now I am learning to live like a princess! The only thing I am sucking up, is easing my way into a comfortable routine that's going to last longer than a 3 hour show pony session or some fleeting selfie pic at the height of the season. To be sure I'll probably take another selfie to log in as an after photo, but in all honesty ... I'm just getting too old and seeing more to life than chasing the Gloss. Bling Bling is really not my thing. If anything, I'm aiming to be slim and skinny - a touch underweight with out much need for the amount of food that others love to eat.

My wife and I are changing our whole outlook on food itself. Food is such a chore, and overrated in the scheme of living life. It comes off more as a commodity to be played with - The source to which many think is joy itself. The same way I gave up smoking, I am adopting to giving up food. In many ways, eating today's food, has become as toxic as smoking. Both have the capacity to kill within the same time period.
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Interesting stuff - such will be my context throughout. I won't be going down the possy wossy track. I'm in between the "suck it up princess" & "don't give up your yummy treats" Each to their own. Mind & Body seems to be easily defined, but not so ones spirit. There is to this addiction to Food, Depression that keeps me failing to comeback in my later years, that see a lacking of spirit and vitality to fight the good fight. However in saying that, it's taking a change of attitude to see this incessant/inherent/imprinted need ... to resist at all, as the limiting factor which sucks the life as sees me not living at all.

Yes indeed - This time round, is not even considered a comeback at all. This time it is for life itself, or none at all. I no longer consider mainstream living; living at all.

The rural Beach I choose to walk:



106KG down to 95kg

It's all coming together - I feel like doing some cardio and grabbing some sun - Your right - A diary is therapeutic. :)
 
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I have finally worked/eased my way up to walk/trot/walk.
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(I'll try not to get too excited though ... I might sustain an injury.



Hit - Submit instead of Preview ... Notes to follow.
Yes Obese people can Trot/shuffle along - takes a little know how, but it can be done.

NOTE* - I only shuffle along the grass area of the walk way - very soft sandy loam under the grass - Perfect! - I also find the variable foot falls good for strengthening. Still shuffling and barely trotting ... sometimes I can't help it though ... I occasionally jog ... but more on my running notes when the story is done. It's all about easing into it. Edit .. in the mean time, here is a link to a system that I have utilized and made my own.
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It's the walk/shuffle principle. Not Walk/Run. Big difference. I started a few months ago, but first changing my food and losing a few pounds. Whilst I know obese people can shuffle along, I also know the first thing one needs to do before attempting to do so ... is to strengthen the feet, ankle, legs and overall body. Lest one end up with a number of injuries and giving up before the first day or two is done.

After all the headaches passed from no more toxic take away, no more packaged or process foods, no more sugar, salt and all things woohoo. I started walking.

I actually started in my house, then once I got better at spent less time on this thing, I made it to the end of the street!
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Slowly I started to feel my body a lot more. I could smell the fresh air. I was stunned that even though I was living next to a beach, that I had still been bound up inside my home. On this damn thing day in, day out. Finally I could smell the salt after having arrived the year before.

Inspired that I could again breath and smell, I ventured out quite a bit more. I believe it was the sun that next helped perk me up. I learned a lot about Vitamin D, Circadian Cycles, blue light exposure in and outside the home and much much more. I am careful as to how much sun I get and even have a UV meter. Bit extreme for some, but I love to embrace such things like so.

I even did a bit of Sun Gazing!!! - (Fascinating Activity - Not without it's Hazards.
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Basically, I got off my damn computer - started eating healthy - and started to move. Going outside and getting some exposure was the best thing I did. Other things included throwing away my sunglasses. Most of the beneficial UVB that's process in one's liver is received through the eyes! The blood vessels behind the eyes soak up the sun like a kid by the side of an ice cream truck. It's all about the UV levels ... I now use a hat instead of sunglasses. I do enjoy meditating at low levels facing the sun with eyes shut and face slightly tilted down. UV 0 -1 sometimes more. FEAR is such a limiting thing. I know I feel fantastic since getting sensible sun exposure.

Thus - my strength over the last couple of months has really improved ... so too my sleep. I now sleep like a baby and am having lucid dreams that leave me feeling safe and secure.

I knew it was time to pick up the pace - I started mapping out a few routes and researched WALKING for Fitness.

To Be Cont ...
Note To Self -Remember To include the Walking Cardio Routine that can be done at home. Still struggle with memory
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Righto Princess - Get Up and Give me 45 Minutes!!!! ... NOW!!! ....
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"I'll be there in a minute, errrr ... I'm still stretching."
 
Going through the motions - that's all I'm doing with my routine atm. I've been at this game too long and the cramps I sustained after my last failed attempt was the straw that went snap! I did my dumbbell routine today. It's been a work in progress just like everything else. I was able to add weight today without incident.

But if it were not for the life style change ... the weeks of walking and getting sun, I doubt I would of been able to get where I am without injury. BMI is not yet my friend and actually something that is quite off with my body type and they way I seem to naturally blow out with muscle when I work out. Bone density increased and the mass of the extra muscle for my height often has me still obese when reading the BMI chart when I am athletically fit. Go figure hey. There's actually more people seeing just how our that gauge really is. In fact, I often have to run marathons to get near my supposed healthy BMI. However in saying that, I think there may be some truth to it ... if I was to consider just how much food we do not need, and how active we should really be. So I guess it's more a case that the BMI gauge is well suited, but just not for our modern way of life?

Whatever Dave!

Moving on ... la la laaaa and la. Yep - My Mantra is "Going through the motions!!!"

So ... there was this other post today about negative emotions. Rather than rehash that one, I'll just comment in here about the other newbie who referred to our minds being playful and that they struggled to meditate. Not sure if that's a spamming thread and I'm just getting hooked on bait ... but it made me think just how chaotic thoughts can really be. Not so playful for me ... my playful thoughts are more inline with being in sync, not an issue when it comes to meditating. Hence, the question came up as to "How" to quite such spasmodic thoughts. Others may term as how to find space - or more so with many when it comes to losing weight ... How does one find the time. That there presents the irony of just how go go go people are and where their priorities lay.
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I can give a host of labels for my spasmodic mind - but what's more important for me, is how I have learned (taught and practiced for myself) to find the space to empty my head in order to breath. There is no secret to this kind of thing. Just like making the effort to eat and move, so to it takes effort to find space and sit still. Little bit by little bit. The only one I have to deal with is myself. FOCUS was the answer I came up with for that other who wanted to know in that other thread. This whole weight loss thing is about focus from Now to Now and then into Now again.
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Yadda Yadda - So here is my current spread with my weight loss plan:

  • Eating less, way more nutrition and minimal toxins.
  • Moving - Moving - and Resting with quality SLEEP
  • Walking to digest after meals / Meditative and healing walks during these times
  • Brisk walking varied with other activities open to change of pace pending how my body feels
  • Sensible Sun Exposure and early morning Sun Bathing
  • No Sun Glasses
  • In home Cardio Sessions as seen on TV (beginner level/took a while to find something doable!)
  • I then progressed onto weight training with my trusty dumbbells (metabolic focus for weight loss/over grunting and looking at my reflection - ZZZZzzzz)
  • Now I am up to walk/trot/walk/trot of one hour (this tends to make or break me) I intend to focus on this part of my plan.

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It's been a few months now - I have done well. Pat Pat. ATM I am only doing 45seconds with 1:45 seconds of brisk walking in between. I do for a full hour like that. As I increase the trotting time, I will deduct = time off the brisk walking ... eventually I will trot longer than I am resting. Steady as she goes. I am enjoying this method very much. I seem pretty able to keep my heart going nicely with the brisk walking in between and I'm also toying with the variable speeds and form with which I shuffle/trot/jog and run. It's like getting back on a bike, but better as I always get much more of a high. Just got to watch I don't go off like a rocket.

My clothes are again neatly folded ready and waiting ... in fact at my feet as I now type. I am feeling rather fresh and crisp just thinking about it actually. It's good to be breathing though two nostrils again; for as long as it lasts.

Getting a bit long in the tooth this one I see ... will hit enter then share one last thing before bed. ;)
 
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It's all rather becoming a ritual of sorts ... which is fine with me, given I am the one preaching and in my world there is no such thing as heaven or hell. It only gets better. Life is what you make it. Here is what I mean.

After each run I make my way to find "the" Sun Bathing Bench. Perfect for what I need. One hour after my run at 6:30am, I stretch and change to then arrive seated on bench at 7:00am. There I sit for 30 minutes with Kelly Howell Guided Meditation for Healing at about a UV level of 1.7 to 3.

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So now if you see me sitting there all zen like, now you know what I'm doing. I got to say, it;s akin to having a sauna! After my run, stretch and cool down walk to the bench and having prepped my mind for the journey on the bench; the sweat that comes out whilst meditating in the morning sun is quite invigorating!!!

As for the sunbathing, It took me some confidence and pure intent to start walking around shirtless and obese. I am now so glad I did. Just like all the other steps that have come before now, I had to start small with the sun exposure too. Not only does one have to avoid the dreaded burn, but it also taxes the Kidney and liver too. As for fear of aging and wrinkles - Pfft - I now know the truth for myself. To be sure, there are days that I do well to back off the amount of exposure - I am now well versed in sensible sun exposure - I can tell when the whites of my eyes have had enough ... then out comes my hat and a repeated check of the UV index - Listening to my body is doing me more favors than reading someone else's article on which pair of sunnies to buy or what natural sunscreen to stop the UV. Graduated exposure is far better than all the products that make us run and hide.

Here is a little clip I took when some clouds came on in - this was towards the end of my sunning session - but I actually got some good morning sun - the clouds coming over like that was a real treat:
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On the way back after my sunning, I do yet another meditative walk. I use the sand to help stretch out my ankles and tendons. Walking on the high end along the tree line, sees me away from others - gives me a mild work out as I lift me feet to avoid the rocks, twigs and plants:

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Some people call it Earthing - But I Just call it WALKING :)
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So it is that I pretty much own my own space when heading out to do my thing. It's a bonus to find space that actually counts and most of all, thus far FREE!

So the question was how to meditate? My answer - Focus in all that you do. Prioritize what you value most in life and disconnect from that which many of us subscribe to, as taking up time. Be Kind to Yourself - Give yourself a Break ... Little by Little.

When I decided to take off my shirt and bare all - I saw myself then, several months to a year ahead as I intend. Don't wait! Now is what counts! Find yourself now and appreciate what already is. Once you can do that - then you'll be amazed at just how things fall into place.

Righto --- Now is a good time for Bed.

Night Night - Until next Post ;)
 
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Welcome aboard......I'm new here as of a few days ago. I enjoyed what you've shared and look forward to more...feel free to visit my diary should you wish to. All the best........Mark
 
Have done just that papwriter - I'll read over like I said and if I can offer anything, I will add it in here. I'm not a people person and see you have like a dozen already following your thread. having said that though ... I get a good sense from what I have read, and don't mind saying you are welcome in here.
 
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Reality Check - My Body says Tomorrow is Rest Day. First time in a while I did not get to bed early and I paid the price today. Tonight I dedicated my time to another forum which helps to keep me on track.

I had a really heavy session of HIIT with my 45 second runs, split heavily over 45 minutes with a 15 cool down with slower paced intervals at the end. Also got a Brisk walk in later today.

At the end of my route, I found some spectators watching me:

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If anything - I've done really well and now need to let my body adjust. I could even take a two day rest and focus on eating less. Everyday presents a new challenge in these early stages of making life long changes. It's been a few months, and I suspect it will take many more of remaining focused and practicing healthy habits that will assist me when entering the maintenance phase.

It would be nice to once again arrive at such a healthy state as depicted in my opening post ... but I want to make it clear, that exercise is not something I wish to make my main stay. To be active yes - but only proportionally to a modest intake of food. I want to be able to dial back the drive to perform. I'm only drawing on the power of motivation and driving myself to rid what I must - No diet alone will get rid of all my fat ... but once that is over ... I am looking forward to the challenges of maintenance more through what I eat, rather than anything else.

There is more to life than exercise. Movement Yes! Totally different story. How I seek that ... well ... I think I best leave that to the other forum.

Not missing my early night to night. Freshly Made Bed ready and waiting. (Yet another habit of going through the motions - amazing how for some of us let ourselves go)

Good night. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
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