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Hey guys.....

I'm gonna put this here because I just don't want it in the open for scrutiny....some of these people actually think I know what I'm talking about and I don't wanna shatter their image of me (just kidding) :D :D :D

Okay...check it out: I've become The Machine and I'm not sure it's helping. Everyone is telling me I'm excessive....I'm hearing that word a lot. The thing is, my progress is good....but given what I'm doing, it should be much MUCH more! I work-out like a fiend, do hours of cardio, eat right, eat light and my weight-loss is just gradual & slow. Check this out:

Each Wednesay & Friday I go to the gym and take 2 spinning classes back to back, about 2.25 hours of spinning cardio, then I jump in the pool and swim a mile. Ya know, one is lower-body working the big legs and the other is upper body working the arms, back & shoulders. In all, I do about 3.25 hours of exercise. The other days of the week I play racquetball 2x in league, weight-train, train with a trainer 2x, walk on the elliptical. I'm probably averaging 18+ hours of exercise per week!!!!! You'd think I'd be dropping weight like mad, but it's just marginal. Body-Fat is coming down and I'm building muscle....but still, I'm quite bulky and not seeing the results I think I should.

Now....people are telling me in order to lose weight and get where I want to go...I need to eat MORE and exercise LESS....WTF??????????? I don't get it. If I eat more or exercise less, the results are NOTHING.

So, the way I see it is.....if it takes me one month to lose all of 1/4-ounce, then so be it...I won't give-up or backdown, it'll just take longer...so the motivation is there and I'm stronger and in better shape then most others, but still....it's frustrating.

Any thoughts, in particular on this notion about eating more and exercising less (something Dallen recently forwarded in one of his posts).

Let's hear it...thanks
 
Hey guys, hope you are all doing well.

Chillin, just wanted to say that what you wrote about your wife was incredibly inspiring. I hope one day I find someone I care for as much as you care for your wife.

Just a brief update.

I failed at my attempt to quit smoking. I think that I didn't really want to quit, so even with the help of a very effective pharmaceutical aid (Champix) I still didn't quit because I felt like I was giving up something I wanted. I'm not going to let myself feel down. I may not want to completly quit right now, but I DO want to drastically cut down the amount I smoke. I currently smoke a pack a day, and I WILL die if I continue at this pace. I have decided I'd like to maintain a 10 a day habit while I reafirm my desire to quit.

I spent so much money these past few weeks. I maxed out my credit card while I was unemployed, and spent my last pay cheque drinking in a bar with my girlfriend and partying, instead of paying off my debt and saving my money for Thailand. My girlfriend actually had to take up the slack this weekend, and paid a large amount of her own money on our adventures. The shame at taking her money has forced me to take a deeper look at myself and why i'm wasting so much money.

I figured out that the reason I go out to a bar after work, instead of going home to exercise/study, was because I hate the bus. Whenever I get to my train station, I have to wait 40 odd minutes for the bus. I spent today looking up all the time tables and writing out a plan so that I will only have to wait a max of 10 minutes for a bus home. Time well spent.

I also took a hard look at my budget. I am an impulse spender. When I go to a shop for one thing, I end up walking out with alot more than I bargined for. I wrote a strict, yet realistic budget for every single day of the week. I now will have enough to comfortably take me through the working week, and leave enough over for a bit of R&R on the weekend. I will also be able to save $400 a week. More time well spent.

I have made a check list for every time I smoke. I'm a chainer, going for an hr or 2 without a smoke, and then having 4-5 in a row. Every time I light up, I will write down the time on my checklist and find the problem times where I smoke large amounts. I will then find ways to reduce the amount until I reach my 10 cigarettes a day total.

I have a great running and weights program that I will be starting on monday.

I feel really good today. Euphoric even. Instead of mulling about thinking how bored I am, my usual activity on the weekend, I am taking small positive steps to make improving my life easier. Being in a better mood getting home from work, because I dont have to wait in the rain at the station, will mean I will be more inclined to train harder and study etc.

Hope everyone else had an equally productive day.
 
Everyone is telling me I'm excessive....I'm hearing that word a lot. The thing is, my progress is good....but given what I'm doing, it should be much MUCH more!

Not sure I follow...if people currently think what you're doing is " excessive ", then why do you think you still need to do " MUCH more " ?

Do you think these people are over-reacting a bit ? And, who are these people - i.e " everyone " - that make these " " excessive " claims ?

I work-out like a fiend, do hours of cardio, eat right, eat light and my weight-loss is just gradual & slow. Check this out:

Is this a good thing or a bad thing in your view ?

Each Wednesay & Friday I go to the gym and take 2 spinning classes back to back, about 2.25 hours of spinning cardio, then I jump in the pool and swim a mile. Ya know, one is lower-body working the big legs and the other is upper body working the arms, back & shoulders. In all, I do about 3.25 hours of exercise.

What is the reason for doing back to back spinning classes ?

What training do you do the day after your 2 hour plus spinning classes ?

Have you given any thoughts to trying more of a ' cross training' approach to cardio - i.e 1 session of spinning followed by 1 session of rowing or running or stairmaster or elliptical trainer ?

Also, are you swimming to get ready for a triathlon ? Are you an experienced swimmer or a newbie to swimming ?

The other days of the week I play racquetball 2x in league, weight-train, train with a trainer 2x, walk on the elliptical.

What does you trainer think about claims of " excessive " training on your part ?

Also, given you do such intense session of cardio as it is now anyway , why do you still set aside time to " walk " ( i.e much less intense ) on the elliptical - or is this elliptical session ( in reality ) an intense cardio session as well ?

I'm probably averaging 18+ hours of exercise per week!!!!! You'd think I'd be dropping weight like mad, but it's just marginal. Body-Fat is coming down and I'm building muscle....but still, I'm quite bulky and not seeing the results I think I should.

Assuming your racket ball is 3 hours a week for 2 sessions - that leaves about 15+ hours a week for weights, cardio machines and swimming ...do you train at these 5 days a week ? if so, that would be about 3 hours a day of training. For what it's worth, when some of my elite level hockey players train during pre or off season, the absolute most we would ever do is 3 hours ( i.e 2 a day workouts ...with half of that time doing ' on-ice ' work ) where 1 hour to 1.5 hours would be more then general norm. And, even back in my late 20's , I could hit a very low body fat % ( i.e sub 9% ) training no more than 1 hour a day for 5/6 days a week.

Everyone is different, but I would consider 3 hours a day a bit excessive for a typical gym rat that isn't training for an elite sport or some athletic event...but that's me. Best tip I ever got from a trainer is to..... train less ( in terms of time ) but to train ' hard ' when you do train.

Now....people are telling me in order to lose weight and get where I want to go...I need to eat MORE and exercise LESS....WTF??????????? I don't get it. If I eat more or exercise less, the results are NOTHING.

Who is telling you this ?

Are you tracking your calories ...i.e how many calories do you take in both the day before and the actual day in which you do back to back spinning classes ?

And, how many of those calories come from carbs ?

So, the way I see it is.....if it takes me one month to lose all of 1/4-ounce, then so be it...I won't give-up or backdown, it'll just take longer...so the motivation is there and I'm stronger and in better shape then most others, but still....it's frustrating.

Thing is, from what you've told us in earlier posts, you're working with a ' Class A ' trainer(s) are you not ?

Why not tap into their expertise to help you get optimal results ? In fact, if these trainers are as good as you say they are, why not spend the money with them to have them develop a detailed day to day training regimen and follow it ' to the letter '. Or even better, it seems money is not a concern for you, so why not bump your trainer sessions from 2x a week to 3 /4 sessions a week ?

Thoughts ?
 
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February 17th, 2008: Thoughts for the day (1)

Success is all in your head. Achievement is the physical manifestation of your success. Manifest your success today..............


" I am smart. I can do this.
No one can stop me. Not even myself."


When things seem like they are worse than ever and there is no way out...know that you are right there... right at the breaking point...there is no other way to go but up.

Sometimes we give up at the exact moment that change is about to occur for the better. If you know you are doing the right thing, keep going and you will get the results you are looking for.

(Marion Licchiello)


This quote is true for all areas of life. Think about it - weight loss - you could be doing the right thing, eating right, exercising and you see a # on the scale and you give up, even though tomorrow you would've seen that 3 lb drop that's been adding up. You are on a road and you know you're going the right way and just before you get to the street you turn around instead of asking for directions. You are about to make a breakthrough on an invention but you give up due to failures. You are a salesman who has been rejected several times and the next call might be that $1,000,000 YES but you give up and lose out. Think about the amount of times athletes strike out and keep going. Think about a baby who is learning to walk... would we ever learn to walk if we gave up because it was too hard. NO!! Think twice before giving up.


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Get excited and enthusiastic about your own dream.
This excitement is like a forest fire -you can smell it, taste it, and see it from a mile away.

When you want your goal badly enough, feel the intensity of it, let it fuel your waking thoughts and actions, let it influence you in all ways possible and let nothing get in the way of achieving it."

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If you can see a way when everybody says there's no way. Know that you have an extra-ordinary spirit to do the impossible.

When you have the courage to turn within and learn about the "your" inner laws of being (i.e. what worked in the past and what didn't) and take the positive and constructive aspects, can you truly experience satisfaction in your life.

I truly believe that if we envision a goal and stay positively focused, that anything is possible; it's important to learn from past failures; whether it be in relationships, career or family. Without taking a risk and facing our fears, then an individual will never grow and will only stay stagnant.

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Well over half the time that a baseball player comes to the plate to bat, odds are he is going to get an out, yet he continues to go to the plate to bat:

If you don't take a swing at the ball, then you don't have an opportunity to strike out. Worst of all though, you don't have an opportunity to hit the homerun to win the game. Take this and go out there swinging in the game of life. It's worth it!

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I never had a mother or father to encourage me, rather they destroyed my spirit. I had all the ingredients to be a personal disaster (read my unfinished portion on my childhood in the COL), and I had to mold myself into being productive in life:

JUST DO IT!

My grandfather used to say this to encourage me when I was younger; it is simple but true. We can dream all we want but nothing will change, say what we are going to do and never get round to it. It is a habit to let other things get in the way, to put off what you want, simply due to the effort involved. However, nothing will change unless you quite simply act upon your thoughts, your words and your dreams. In other words, "just do it".

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A great attitude does much more than turn on the lights on; it seems to magically connect us to all sorts of serendipitous opportunities that were somehow absent before the change.

(Earl Nightingale--modified by Chillen)


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Go further. Go beyond. Go as far as you can. The limit is only in the mind. When you reach it, break it!

(Haniffa)

The repetitive words are a powerful choice to drill into your mind that you can do it - to overcome the limitations that only you see.


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Whatever is your goal, whatever is your dream, just keep going; keep trying, keep pushing, keep pulling, keep fighting.

Realize that pain and discomfort WILL be present often enough to get you to think if all of this is really worth it.

Realize that sometimes you WILL hear words of discouragement come out from other people's mouths.

But when you know in your heart that you CAN achieve your goal, when you know your dream CAN become a reality, you accept these facts; you become aware that they will be a part of your journey. You acknowledge all of this, focus on what you desire AND YOU JUST KEEP GOING.


ROCK ON!

Have a great Sunday, everyone! :)


Chillen

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EDIT:

Bump this forward: (I haven't forgotten, Brotha and Sista's)

I plan to make several more posts in tribute to:

1. Protein Boy (Jon)-Done
2. SpicyPumkin--Done
3. Beth-Done
4. AMP-Done
5. The FFer-Done
6. Jackie-Done
7. Sparrow--Done
8.CCR--Wants another one ;)
9.Derwyddon (Sarah) Done
10.Phate-Done
11. Stingo
12. Nae82
13. Dallen
14. KARKY
15. George
16. Lei
17. Phil
18. BSL
19. RWS (Refined Wisdom and Spirit)
20. EVO
21. Mreik
22. LV
23. TM
24. Malkore
25. Deschain
26. Smithmachine
27. Streamline
28. Def
29. g8r80 (Richard)--NEXT-1
30. Marko--NEXT-2

31. Kraken
32. Calorie Busten Furnace, GOOCH NEXT-3

added:

33. [Focus]
34. KittyHartman26
35. Lost
36. JokersWild
37. Shellsy21
38. Spartan300

And I will add others. If you want to be added, please let me know or if you want something specific, let me know too.

They will not be "necessarily" in the order listed.

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ROCK ON! :)



Chillen


I have been very busy lately. I wanted to say that I havent forgotten the tributes to Marko, Gooch, and G8R80. Some of these I have saved in word, and I am working on them offline. In addition, I have forgotten you Lost.
 
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Chillen, I must say you do not function like me, but I don't think I could ever doubt your sincerity.

We all tend to function differently. I am a rather complex individual when it comes to what sparks and motivates me. However, what I see in my wife everyday, and the sheer amount of will and persistance, along with an emmensely postive attitude, could put even the most toughest person down.

But it doesnt, and this speak "volume's" of lessons.

The brief post about my wife doesnt speak to the interior lining of the lessons.



Best regards,


Chillen
 
hey chillen! im doing great and im lifting in a little bit :] i have my friend coming over(hes my lifting partner. we just lift in the garage together and its awesome...spotting and encouraging eachother.

Just fantastic! I am happy that you found a friend to train with that can help you along in your personal goal journey!

If I remember correctly, didnt you get a squat rack for Christmas?

What are your goals now, young man? Put on some beastly muscle?! :)

that post you made concerning your wife is awesome...very heartfelt! thats some seriuos motivation!

Thank you, Jon.



Best wishes to my friend,


Chillen
 
We all tend to function differently. I am a rather complex individual when it comes to what sparks and motivates me. However, what I see in my wife everyday, and the sheer amount of will and persistance, along with an emmensely postive attitude, could put even the most toughest person down.

But it doesnt, and this speak "volume's" of lessons.

The brief post about my wife doesnt speak to the interior lining of the lessons.



Best regards,


Chillen

All I meant was that though we are very different in the way we function I can tell you're sincere.
 
Hey guys.....

I'm gonna put this here because I just don't want it in the open for scrutiny....some of these people actually think I know what I'm talking about and I don't wanna shatter their image of me (just kidding) :D :D :D

Okay...check it out: I've become The Machine and I'm not sure it's helping. Everyone is telling me I'm excessive....I'm hearing that word a lot. The thing is, my progress is good....but given what I'm doing, it should be much MUCH more! I work-out like a fiend, do hours of cardio, eat right, eat light and my weight-loss is just gradual & slow. Check this out:

Each Wednesay & Friday I go to the gym and take 2 spinning classes back to back, about 2.25 hours of spinning cardio, then I jump in the pool and swim a mile. Ya know, one is lower-body working the big legs and the other is upper body working the arms, back & shoulders. In all, I do about 3.25 hours of exercise. The other days of the week I play racquetball 2x in league, weight-train, train with a trainer 2x, walk on the elliptical. I'm probably averaging 18+ hours of exercise per week!!!!! You'd think I'd be dropping weight like mad, but it's just marginal. Body-Fat is coming down and I'm building muscle....but still, I'm quite bulky and not seeing the results I think I should.

Now....people are telling me in order to lose weight and get where I want to go...I need to eat MORE and exercise LESS....WTF??????????? I don't get it. If I eat more or exercise less, the results are NOTHING.

So, the way I see it is.....if it takes me one month to lose all of 1/4-ounce, then so be it...I won't give-up or backdown, it'll just take longer...so the motivation is there and I'm stronger and in better shape then most others, but still....it's frustrating.

Any thoughts, in particular on this notion about eating more and exercising less (something Dallen recently forwarded in one of his posts).

Let's hear it...thanks

If Wrangell is willing to spend some time to appropriately address your concerns, give him the answers he seeks, and use his fine diet and fitness brain; he can help you.

BSL, I was going to respond with a rather lengthy post, but I decided that I was going to use several posts by a person I respect and admire as well as agree with in nearly all of his viewpoints of diet and fitness, Steve (WLF), and Stoutman81 (FF).

If I was ever in need of a person to train me and I had to pay for it, he would be first on my list. "He would pass my personal interview scrutiny", after all, I would interview the trainer (not the other way around)-----period, to see if there was a fit. Along with Tony, LV, or EVO, JP Fitness, and, Bipennate (sp), to name a select few.

I hope he doesnt mind me using some of his writings to assist you. Nothing has been changed and I think it may be applicable to your situation, if you read into it.

All quotes are written by Steve (Stoutman81) unless otherwise indicated. I am not taking credit for these posts, rather trying to lend a helping hand to another forum member.


Starvation, Calories, and Adaptations

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I replied to someone's post in the Cohen's Forum accidently. I hadn't realized that I was actually in the Cohen's room, a place I like to stay out of. But, just to put my reply into context for you, the original poster was unsure how she could lose weight for weeks and then, simply plateau. It triggered this from me:

People will never get this on this board. Let's pretend your maintenance is 2500 calories per day. This means, you are eating 2500 calories worth of energy per day and you are expending roughly 2500 calories worth of energy per day. Results in a net break-even and theoretically, there is no weight gain or loss. Right?

BTW, 2500 calorie maintenance level would be for someone roughly 170 lbs. The bigger you are, the higher your maintenance level is.

INFORMED individuals looking to lose weight will cut calories by some small margin, say 10-20%. As they begin to lose weight, their metabolism will slow, even though they are going about weight loss in an appropriate fashion. You can't continue losing weight forever at your original deficit. Your metabolism catches up to you and it slows to a point where you won't see results. At this point, depending on a few factors, you could cut calories again to trigger another deficit based on your NEW maintenance level.

There comes a point where this will become counter-productive. You can't expect to continually play the "slashing calories" game and expect to be healthy AND expect to see results. There comes a point where you CAN'T eat any less and ideally, you don't follow the path this far! After a certain point, I recommend starting a cyclical diet where you bounce calories up and down. Or a diet including refeeds of carbs. There are multiple options you can execute once you come to this fork in the road.

Now, around here, most people cut calories originally by some ridiculous amount. Still using a maintenance of 2500 calories, I find many around here will slash to 1200, or something ludicrous like this. Why a 50% calorie slash seems OK to some of you I will never understand. Our bodies are very adaptive, finely tuned machines that are built to survive. And you better believe that you are sending many, many signals to your body that say, "Time to change physiologically because it looks like we are going through some hard times."

One of the greatest, actually, the greatest metabolic studies ever conducted was the Minnesota Starvation Diet. Here, they slashed calories by 50% off of maintenance to realize the impacts STARVATION had on post war and Jewish victims of the Nazis, and how to best go about rehabbing them. The sad thing is, I see a lot of people doing this same thing around here.

When you do this the right way, your body will adapt and progress will slow. What do you think doing it the wrong way does?

I have no idea any of the original poster's stats or how she is going about weight loss, so please don't think I am directing this at you.

But something that is directed at you is this. You say you don't understand how you can lose weight for weeks and then, plateau. That is because you don't understand how your body works. Your body adapts. The same technique, have it be a certain calorie intake, a certain way of exercising, or whatever have you will have to be manipulated and changed if you are going to realize continued success.

And for those of you who do things the least optimal way through starvation* are going to have a long, hard road ahead of you if your goal is actually looking and feeling good, and not just what the number on the scale says.

*realize that starvation does not actually mean eating nothing and being on the verge of death. i mean depriving your body of the basic macro and micro nutrients as well as sufficient calories in so that you are creating a below par atmosphere for your overall health and continued success.

Starvation, Calories, and Adaptations - Weight Loss Forum

Zig zag dieting is used by some as a way to add to adherence to a meal plan. If you get SOME high cal days, people tend to adhere better. As I said in my post regarding the starvation mode, which I am going to copy and paste in this reply, once you get down toward "leaner" levels, zig zags and refeeds become ways of "faking out" your body to avoid starvation mode. For those that have a lot of weight to lose, say, more than 40-50 lbs, I would not concern myself with this. For those with less to lose, I would try a straight deficit first. If that does not work, some form of calorie manipulation may be called for.

As for rule number one, that is not true. You don't HAVE to eat 5+ meals per day. Total calories are what matter. Technically, you could eat one giant meal, and as long as you were under your maintenance caloric intake, you would lose weight. The food would just sit in your digestive system longer. This may not be optimal for nutrient uptake and all that good stuff, but you get my point.

Rule 2 is a common recommendation. However, I don't like blanket statements like this. Macronutrient consumption is very dependent on goals and individuals. I've had more protein than carbs and fats before. I have had more carbs than proteins and fats before. And I have had more fats than carbs. Again, it varies.

What I said about rule one pretty much debunks Rule 3. Total calories is what matters.

As for rule 5, sure, vitamins and minerals are great. However, eat lots of veggies and fruit too. That will help a bunch.

For those of you who have not read this post I made in another thread concerning the starvation response mechanism, I suggest you do so:

I would not compare yourself to an extreme such as an anorexic. What is the point when your journey is geared toward being healthy as well as thin, while an anorexics is geared toward being thin and beyond ill. Bodies adapt and change as you force it too. Hence, cut calories, you lose weight. However, there is a lot of other things going on behind the scenes that you are not familiar with, most likely. Same goes for anorexia. The body adapts.

The starvation response is a very real phenomenon. Many people think it works like a switch, turning on and off at will.... but it is a very scientific and deep subject.

Most of it has to do with your endocrine system, i.e. hormones.

One of the major drivers of the starvation response mechanism is a hormone called leptin. This hormone is released by your fat cells telling your body if you are starving and if you have adequate storage of energy (fat).

I always say that people with a large excess of fat can handle larger caloric deficits. There is a reason for this. Most professionals will spout off about how large deficits are not good for anyone because you will trigger starvation response.

Well here is my take on it:

The only reason I am NOT a fan of huge deficits for very big people is simple. It is not a healthy way of eating that leads to long term results. Losing a lot of weight takes time and consistent adherence. If you starve someone by cutting their calories in half, from what they are used to eating.... chances are, this individual is going to hate it. Chances are, this individual is going to treat this as a diet. A diet being a temporary way of eating that leads to temporary results. Who wants that? Chances are, this person is going to dislike it so much that they fall off the wagon before ever realizing their goals. Sure, they may try again a few times. Heck, they may even keep trying with the same huge calorie cuts for the rest of their lives. But based on empirical evidence, most won't last long enough at any one try to maintain any lasting results.

So in a way, most of the trainers spouting off about how easily the starvation response is triggered are actually doing some good. But not because they are helping people avoid starvation. Rather, they are helping to promote long term adherence and good lifestyle habits. And this is what matters.

This said though, when you have a lot of excess fat, the starvation response mechanism is not so easily triggered. When you have plenty of fat, you have plenty of leptin, and this tells your body that you are in no danger of starving. As fat is lost, leptin goes down, and vice versa.

There are a lot of people on here who have a lot of weight to lose, but seem to plateau. 9/10 times, as much as I hate to sound rude, this occurs due to poor adherence. Every now and again, I have seen someone with plenty of fat, eating perfectly calorically, and still unable to lose weight. However, this is few and far between. In most cases, they eat great most of the time. But they have lapses where they binge a little here and there, or they have lapses in their exercise regimen, and these things add up to create long term energy maintenance, meaning no weight loss or gain. You have to think about this on a larger continuum, not just by the day. Sure, you were in a calorie deficit today. Good for you. But what were you for the month? What were you for the past 6 months? Hell, what were you for the year? This is what matters, and this IMO, based on empirical evidence, is why MOST big people plateau. Not because they are in starvation mode.

So think of leptin as the mechanism that alerts your body that starvation is a possibility in the near future. It will changes some of the physiological processes of your body systems that regulate metabolism.

One of the responses, and this is a kicker, is that as leptin levels fall with fat levels, appetite tends to go up. It is your bodies natural way of saying, hey dumb-dumb... eat some food so you don't starve. Of course, you are not starving in reality, but wind the hands of time back a couple of million of years ago and you damn well better believe that starving to death was a possibility. Our bodies evolved to fend off starvation for as long as possible, and these evolutionary changes we still carry today.

As you all get skinnier, and for those of you who are starting out with not all that much weight to lose, you don't have a lot of room to wiggle in terms of leptin levels and its response. This means you have to find more ways to trick your body into thinking you are not starving. I think "refeeds" has been mentioned on here before. Or zig-zag dieting? These techniques were born out of the need to trick your body into letting you lose more weight when you don't have all that much to lose in the first place.

Again, these are not things you really have to worry about when you have a lot of weight to lose though.

I think this is an interesting topic and I would love for some "pros" to kick in their thoughts on the subject of leptin, starvation, and obesity.


A journey not a destination
 
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With the previous post, and this one, I want to drive HOME the point that the body is an extraordinary-bodily-adapting-mechanic, and through the manipulation of calories (and yes sometimes eating more) and the manipulation of exercise--provide the keys in preventing plateaus and continuing progress. I will preach this to my last breath.

I think if you want down-to-earth assistance, be real with your information (I mean be real specific). I mean will your diet and exercise activities, and lay it down, baby! All of your history up to this point.

I dont know if you seen this post written by me (below), but I want you to read this, and UNDERSTAND that in reality the body is no dumb, dumb, through its design intention:

Written by Chillen:

The body is: The Ultimate Adapting Master:​

Dont learn about bodily adaption: Mentally strapped and you get trapped.

Do learn about bodily adaption: Weightloss is tapped and plateau's are scrapped


Some dieters and exercisers tend to forget that the body, though having no mind, knows practically everything that happens to it and will adapt and overcome nearly anything it experiences through its design intention; its designed to survive.


Chillen's perception of weighlifting palm calluses, may you never look at them same again:

Let's take a look at a weight lifter; look at their hands. If they do not wear gloves an extraordinary adaption process is taking place rather quietly. Overtime calluses develop. These calluses are the bodies adaption mechanism in action in clear view of the weightlifter. This adaption process is taking place because the body is recognizing the demand placed on the palm of the hands, and improves its cell division process by adding more skin cells to the effected area to toughen the skin.

If the weight lifter wears gloves there is no reason to adapt. If the weight lifter doesn't wear gloves, there is a reason for the body to adapt. This analogy is an essential element to remember in fat loss and muscle growth.

Perception is a key weapon in one's knowledge search. While the example of palm calluses may appear to be a rather simple and normal process, and discarded by some, but what one doesn’t realize is that a similar adaption process is continually occurring inside the body when one diets and exercises for fitness. The body adapts and overcomes nearly all demands placed upon it. It does not matter where, when, how, or who; it knows and consequently, it adapts.

It will adapt psychologically, physically, biologically, and emotionally (to name a few), all the while the mind is the separate unit being affected and effected by them. These aforementioned feedback mechanisms from the body have to be correctly filtered, through correct knowledge and application of this knowledge. It is this feedback that can doom many to personal goal failure.

Correct perception of this truth will awaken one's soul within their goal.

Having "some" body fat is essential, and by its very design the body knows that body fat is essential to its survival and health.

Some simple facts about fat and muscle growth:

1. Physical activity isn't required for fat tissue growth, one can literally just eat and do nothing. Activity level is lower than calories consumed--in a simple sense, and assuming the person has a healthy body composite.
2. Physical activity is required for muscle/strength growth. One cannot just eat and do nothing. Calories DO NOT "necessarily" need to be in a surplus (as this will largely depend on the person and their prior history of diet and activity-think new to diet and fitness gains), but it will eventually lead into surplus requirement for optimal muscle growth.

It is just simply easier to put on fat tissue than it is to put on some muscle tissue. Its logic really: Muscle tissues are designed for physical movement while fat tissues are not designed for physical movement but rather a biological energy provider for movement, living function, and some organ cushioning purposes. Muscle tissue is the movement provider while fat tissue can be the energy provider and reserve place to get it when energy runs low. The body will prefer to go to its sugar stores and fat tissue stores for energy when in deficit, but will go to the movement providers if the situation presents itself.

Therefore we have the body's desire to use its sugar stores, body fat, and as a resentful act, its muscle tissue (which are more nutritionally dense) for survival, and its based upon its clear and defined ability to adapt and overcome internal and external stresses it is experiencing.

With this in mind, it should be "no surprise" that when body fat drops to sub 10% (or something applicable) that the body will begin to fight and resist one's efforts. The body recognizes that the fat reserve is getting low--and if one acknowledges its design intention, this is going to leave the body with few alternatives to deal with deficits (energy shortages), and bring in some new biological adaption techniques to the framework in the attempt to hold on to its critical fat reserve.

It is fundamentally critical not to put a blanket on everyone, because what they have been doing and not been doing can play a critical role on the decision applied on what to do.

For example, a person A with a rather high body fat, used to a rather high calorie content, low activity level, and dependent on gender and body weight will have a higher calorie need to maintain. When a person then "changes" calorie consumption and activity, the body's adaption process kicks in real strong (when applying simple "basics")--because of the prior history of adapting to what has been applied before. The strength of the adaption process in this situation can vary person to person, but its generally very short as the body will adapt rather quickly to this new stimulus. In this situation, the fat tissue is not in limited quantities, the activity level gives the body a reason to get stronger when comparing its previous level of activity, and the calories consumed are markedly different than what the body---had previously adapted to. All of these ingredients add up to something very positive when applying some simple basic techniques. It is very similar to the calluses of the hand scenario I talked about at first. First the changes are not scene by the naked eye--but over time the bodily adaption process is visually scene.

Therefore, the bodily adaption process can depend to a large degree what the person had been or had not been doing in diet and fitness.

Lets take this to another perspective:

In our economic society, it isn't normally considered a good fiscal year unless there is a profit made from one fiscal year to the next. The body's adaption process is sort of like that (perception is key). In order for the person to profit the person has to give the body a reason to function away from wanting to stay the same and likewise personally profit:

For example, lets say a person B has been dieting for long periods of time and has very low body fat. Lets say his MT Line is 2500, and he has been running deficits around 1800 (or for example, just barely above biological calorie function level). Lets say this person has been doing this calorie activity for about 8 weeks and has been experience some weight loss. In addition, lets assume he has been progressive in fitness activities, but the level of activities are relatively unchanged or are constant in nature.

This is a breading ground for unique bodily adaption--as it doesn’t NOT take long before the body adapts to external and internal stressed applied.

The body will adapt to the same level of activities and calories. It will lower certain internal mechanisms (to survive)--and still meet the demands placed upon it. In other words, the body adjusts (to survive certain things it covets), and will still keep it fat stores it personally prizes.

Some get to this point and get frustrated when fat loss progression stops because they do not really understand what is taking place. Just like a business may have to change strategy to bring about a business profit, so does the diet and fitness exerciser--one must adapt to bodily changing conditions, as one just took place.

Simply, one has to do more to get more in a situation like this: Since the body adjusted to the calories, the calories have to change. Since the body adjusted to the activities one has to adjust this to bring about additional change. And, it can be a function of manipulating both interchangeably. If this does not take place, and everything remains the same, there will be no change, as the body has no reason to change from its present course of adaption. One has to steer it and give it a reason without thinking it needs to provide internal mechanisms to survive, and keep its fat energy store it so strongly covets. This is the reason why body fat loss sub 10% can be so difficult to some:

1. When body fat is severely low, the body covets fat energy stores and believes its essential to its survival.
2. The body adapted to calorie and activity levels and made adjustments to survive and will make it difficult to lose additional fat tissue because of (number 1), and this adaption process. The body can become very lethargic and energy efficient in an effort to stay alive. This one of the primary reasons why the body will convert other macronutrients when deficient in another macronutrient. Its adapting. Its adapting to a shortage to meet living demands and other demands placed upon it.

Lets expand on the macronutrients for a moment within Person B: Isnt true that IF one were to attempt to do a low carb (or KETO) in this type of situation, this would be a MAJOR change in the internal consumption environment? Answer: Yes. The body adapts by a macronutrient conversion process, and if one were to manipulate activity at the same time (properly) this is a change that COULD bring forth additional fat loss. Thus the POWER of knowing about body adaption.

To continue fat loss within this type of environment one has to attempt to remove the survival mechanism, adjust their calorie consumption (and/or macronutrients, with knowledge on how), and activity levels accordingly to develop additional fat loss below 10%. While we cannot provide a blanket for all, this situation has been experienced by a lot of persons, and I am one of them.

I have been successful, in getting sub 10%, by recognizing the essential adaption issues that really applies to all of us--in varying forms one way or the other. If you have read some of my rather long posts on myself (and for other members) you should see that I love to manipulate calories and exercise together. I have preached that this is a power combination and has no equal. This power combination is served with a groundwork of tools to work with: 1. The Diet Journal, 2. Weight Training Journal, and 3. A Personal Diary(mental thoughts, etc).

(Chillen)



May everyone fully grasp the bodily adapting mechanic we all possess! Open up the mind--let it unwind--BABY!
FEEL ITS THUNDER! It will never let you go under to blunder. I promise.


Much peace and happiness to all of you each and every day of your life!


Best wishes to you!

Best regards,


Chillen
 
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YEA im trying to bulk up a bit haha how did you know. another goal is just to be stronger and more explosive.
unlike before, i am experimenting with many more exercises. i used to never front squat b/c i hated them but now i like them. its fun to do different stuff anyway!
im getting into more unilateral stuff too; just keeping everything periodized so my progress wont lag out. so far it hasnt at all!
i might have told you but, i am ganna do the 20 rep squat routine in a couple weeks.
thanks for asking; im excited about it :]
ps. its good to be back, able to enjoy the chillog again. :D thanks for keeping it up!
 
Sick with the flu and reading your log. Great stuff Chillen!

Hey Joker, wazzzzzz uuuuuuuuup?! :)

You are fairly new. Do you mind sharing your personal fitness goals?

I hope you get over the flu soon. Dont get down on yourself too much, you will bounce right back like it never happened, I promise!


ROCK ON!

Chillen
 
YEA im trying to bulk up a bit haha how did you know.

I know my "old and enduring friend", He, he. :) You have many posts in this log, and I have read most of your posts on the forum.


another goal is just to be stronger and more explosive.
unlike before, i am experimenting with many more exercises. i used to never front squat b/c i hated them but now i like them. its fun to do different stuff anyway!

Rock on with continued fitness experiments! These ROCK!

im getting into more unilateral stuff too; just keeping everything periodized so my progress wont lag out. so far it hasnt at all!

And, it will not either. You have all the frigggggggggen power baby! :)

i might have told you but, i am ganna do the 20 rep squat routine in a couple weeks.

I remember the thread you started on the 20 rep squat. Are you going to start a journal to log progress? How are you going to let us know? New thread now and then or.......pick up your old log you started, possibly?

thanks for asking; im excited about it :]
ps. its good to be back, able to enjoy the chillog again. :D thanks for keeping it up!

You are welcome. IM "chillen in determination"........



ROCK IT!



Chillen
 
Hey Joker, wazzzzzz uuuuuuuuup?! :)

You are fairly new. Do you mind sharing your personal fitness goals?

I hope you get over the flu soon. Dont get down on yourself too much, you will bounce right back like it never happened, I promise!


ROCK ON!

Chillen

Dont mind sharing at all. I am looking to lose about 40lbs and add some muscle mass at the same time. Within the last month, Ive really started to track my diet in terms of BMR, macros, etc. Ive moved away from white breads and pastas, almost completely cut out alcohol (see the next sentence for an additional explanation on this cut), and focused on smaller more frequent meals. In January I quit smoking after 16 years and am now 47 days into that struggle. Ive worked out off and on for a long time, but am trying to take a more scientific approach to it now. After talking to some people on here as well as a personal trainer I know, I have decided to switch from my 4 day split to a FBW 3x a week also incorporating HIIT 2x a week.

I still have my bad diet days, this weekend is an example...I am happy to hold down whatever I can tho; but overall have been eating and living much healthier. The one thing thats bothered me, is after losing the 1st 10lbs...Ive been stuck at my current weight, even with a 800-100 daily calorie deficit from my BMR. That is one of the main reasons I am switching over to FBW. I am also taking creatine which might account for some water weight Im guessing.
 
yea, im going to start a journal when i start the 20 rep squat routine. i am also going to take progress pics before i start the 20 rep squat routine, then after(1 month later). now im just doing basic stuff; do you recommend me tracking calories when i begin the 20 rep squat routine? im thinking about just eat tons(a lot of mmilk too).

chillen, are you still cutting?

check this guy out while you reply
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yea, im going to start a journal when i start the 20 rep squat routine. i am also going to take progress pics before i start the 20 rep squat routine, then after(1 month later). now im just doing basic stuff; do you recommend me tracking calories when i begin the 20 rep squat routine? im thinking about just eat tons(a lot of mmilk too).

chillen, are you still cutting?

check this guy out while you reply
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:yelrotflmao: That guy and I have alot in common :p

Its my opinion (and I written some "brief" things in the COL in reference to this very thing just recently), that one "should" track calories and macronutrients, along with having a Training Journal, and lastly, have a Mental Journal applicably corresponding.

These very items will give many "tools" to "work from" to "work with" problems that develop within diet and fitness training. One isnt living in the dark, and when looking at the tangible data, one then can apply diet and fitness knowledge to identify problems and change things up----when or if necessary.

The opinion depends on alot of varying personal factors, but for most new to diet and fitness training and for some knowledgeable, these 3 journals are without question a valuable resource to have in ones tool box, IMO.

I had my bulk during the fall, and presently cutting, and presently at 8.4 BF, and working toward 7%, and once this 7% is reached (like 7.9 or less), I am posting pics to the COL. I weigh 161 or up about 7 pounds from the bulk period.


Thanks for asking!


Chillen
 
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thats awesome. and il take your advice and begin to track my calories; as long as it doesnt interfere with my school work or something important; its not a bad idea, or else id be like this guy
 
thats awesome. and il take your advice and begin to track my calories; as long as it doesnt interfere with my school work or something important; its not a bad idea, or else id be like this guy

I am off to train, and then its Chillen's Family Run 5 tonight.

As you know calorie consumption is going to be important factor to your bulking process; therefore, try to do the minimum necessary on this subject matter to stave off (being like that dude in the small video, lol) to get the job at hand accomplished. You may be at the point of knowledge where you dont have to track your calories and can mentally store what your taking in and likewise make adjustments with this knowledge (its just that some are not in this position, necessarily). I think between the 3 journals, you know what is and is not important, and you will be fine with what you know. You have had the power in you all the time. ROCK ON!


Off to train and then run with the family.

Be back after while......


PB........I am so glad you are back, happy, and a healed young man. :)


Best wishes to you in life and within fitness,


Chillen
 
Originally Posted by BikeSwimLaugh
Everyone is telling me I'm excessive....I'm hearing that word a lot. The thing is, my progress is good....but given what I'm doing, it should be MUCH more!

Not sure I follow...if people currently think what you're doing is " excessive ", then why do you think you still need to do " MUCH more " ?

Do you think these people are over-reacting a bit ? And, who are these people - i.e " everyone " - that make these " " excessive " claims ?
First off....thanks for answering/addressing these questions, I truly appreciate it. Both you and Chillen. :)

Sorry, my lack of being clear; when I wrote "but given what I'm doing, it should be much MUCH more!"....I meant my RESULTS should be much more, not my exercise. Instead of having lost 4 pounds I should have lost more like 18 pounds. My waist is still size 38 and my progress is gradual at best. I could accept this if I were in a mild caloric deficit and only exercising a few hours per week, but at my level of intensity, it's just....frustrating.

Who is telling me I'm excessive? My friend Glenn who is a surgeon/doctor. My friend Kam who is a doctor. My racquetball buddy Larry who is a doctor. My trainer Roz who is a certified trainer. A registered trainer/nutritionist on this forum who I'd prefer not to name...and just about most people who look at me like I'm crazy when I describe my exercise routine. Do I think they are over-reacting? To some extent yes: they just aren't used to meeting someone who has the time & dedication to perform so much exercise. Do I think they are right? Yes to some extent, because of the wear & tear this may be causing. I hear all those aerobic hotties from the 70's & 80's are now reaping the penalties for all their hours of cardio! :(

The thing is, My gut feeling is that I need to exercise less in the interest of my long-term health. Yes, I'm burning calories and psyiologically stimulating my metabolism with HIIT and other stuff....but this exercise has to be taking a toll on my cartlidge and other stuff. Problem is, if I do less I'm afraid I'll gain weight and results will stop altogether. Whenever I ease-up, I feel bloated, heavy and I just know progress has stopped. It's like my body has racheted to this level and doing less means no progress and doing more is just not practical.
 
Originally Posted by BikeSwimLaugh
I work-out like a fiend, do hours of cardio, eat right, eat light and my weight-loss is just gradual & slow.


Is this a good thing or a bad thing in your view ?

In all, it's a bad thing. I know gradual weight-loss is the healhiest and long-term successful way to go....but imagine working super-hard at a job all day long and then only getting paid $10.

I feel ripped-off

I work my ass off, upper-body, lower-body, weights, swimming, racquetball, spinning, biking, trainer, etc....I eat right & light, and I'm telling you: my body just doesn't want to give it up!!!!!!:mad::mad:

It's like this....I'm working hard moving at 35mph...but I'm doing it into a 32mph headwind. It seems like everyone else around me just cuts back on their eating a bit, does a bit of exercise....and the inches, pounds and fat just nicely melt away. Nobody works harder or longer then me, and yet my results (pounds, body-fat%, inches) are just pathetically slow.:bncry:
 
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