yes tribal it would stink. I explained to deryddon in another thread where he brought up that exact issue. One day I googled p90x message boards or something like that and I jumped into them and posted my feedback in the order they came up in the search results. I didnt look to see how old they were, don't care. I have posted in a few other non p90x threads too, but mostly the p90x threads because Im a p90x monster. Im not sure why deryddon brought it up again in this thread. Maybe he forgot.