Obesity Educator With Questions

[fatguy23]

he is making up numbers, i believe i've seen him quote that 70% of the united states is obese, and as far as I can tell, the highest number I have found while researching a number of different credible sources, (gallup, usa today, ny times, etc.) is 25.6, now that was in 2007 so maybe 45 percent of the country ballooned up to 30 BMI in the last year, but i doubt it...and gator, you make me smile

 

[Gator1]

My guess is A you were a fat kid growing up who got picked on and you lost the weight, now you hate fat people, because you hated yourself.

B) Your really a 400 lb man behind that screen who hates himself. Who tells others that they need to lose weight to make himself feel better.

C) your a gumpy old man who preys on fat people. You spend time trying to "save the fat people from themselves" because you have nothing better to do

D) you believe your helping people, truly but don't realize that your going about it the wrong way.

lets take a poll who thinks what?

I go with E) He is just a used douche guzzling prick.

 

[mishi]

Educator- I am not sure of the value of the research you seem to be doing here. How can you use the results that you seem to be getting? You have ticked people off which gives you a really narrow view of the story if you are just going by their reactions. You aren't getting to know any of the people on this forum and you have no idea what it's like being me, or Mal or Gator or Steve or any of the rest of us. You have no idea what impacts our lives and our health and what we have done and learned and what our failures and triumphs have been.
I don't understand how you can turn around without knowing all of that and make general assumptions and direct them at us. I am just not sure what you are looking for?
I may be speaking into the wind here but I think your posts from the beginning have been very derogatory. If a person is overweight they are still a person with their own lives and influences. No matter what choices they have made talking down to them isn't going to help. This forum is, for the most part, a positive place. We strive to be better people and improve our issues with food, our bodies, lives, etc. We don't need someone blasting us and calling us ugly names. We do enough of that ourselves... well I do anyway. I know my issues and I am working on educating myself to overcome them. I have certainly slipped. I am working on getting over that and finding my success. I am certainly not going to wallow in my own stupidity. Been there, done that moving on.
Yes expending more calories than you take in is a cookie cutter look at how to lose weight. Most of the people on this forum know this. We also know that we are all individuals and that each of us requires something different and personal for our own best life.
Lastly may I venture that self-esteem is not connected to weight. I am sure it can be influenced by it but I think self-esteem issues have much broader and deeper causes and I do believe that whether one is overweight or skinny or whatever that they can have a range of self esteem issues. One does not necessarily lead to the other...
I hope you get what you came here for but ultimately weight loss is about people and people are all different. There is no one way...

 

[Educator]

I will ask the genius again and again, each time it responds with a dumb post which shows its utter lack of knowledge of how the human body operates.

Please tell us what is a THYROID?? What is Leptin and Adiponectin? Estrogen, progesterone, testosterone? Can you tell us how these systems work with regard to our metabolism?

Paperairplanes, many of us on the forum know how to count calories and KNOW that their metabolisms are not working optimally and that weight gain is possible on less than 2000 calories a day. Sorry to all of those on here that feel it is impossible, and that I must be counting my calories wrong etc. Even scientists do not have all the answers, so how could "it" know it all?

I LOVE IT!

The absolute most a BMR can vary in individual of the same age weight and gender is 35 calories a day. That is about what you get in a piece of hard candy or what it take to walk around a block.

Explain this scientific certainty to people in denial is not easy but I will try. Being that most of you probably cannot grasp thermodynamics I will true using examples in hopes some of this gets through.

1. All human beings have a body temperature of around 98.6 degrees F.

2. What is required to produce enough heat so that the body maintains a temperature of 98.6 degrees? The answer is an energy source in the form of FOOD!

3. A 200 pound body requires more food/energy/calories to maintain it's temperature of 98.6F than a 100 pound body. Glands and hormones have NO effect on that. To suggest they do would suggest that they make the body processes more efficient in how they use energy. I call that Fatty Logic.

4. We all require oxygen. Big bodies require more oxygen. when we use oxygen we expel carbon dioxide. Bigger bodies expel more CO2 than small bodies just as the give off more heat.

5. Breathing requires ENERGY as part of out Total Energy Expenditure or TEE. The bigger we are the higher our TEE will be.

6. Our hearts need to beat and pump blood. They have to work very had in fat people because fat people have more tissue that needs blood. That means the heart works harder in fat people. Work requires energy/calories.

Calorimeters have been around for over 100 years. Millions of people have been tested and there has never been an proven case of anyone with a metbolic rate that defies the laws of physics EVER. The only people who really have slow BMRs are people with Prader Willi Syndrome.

I will bust another myth. You hear all this garbage form the diet industry about revving up your metabolic rate. They for get to mention this caveat: when you are exercising you active metabolic rate is higher but it does nothing to increase you BMR. The exercise gurus tell you that building muscle will increase your BMR. This is true but it in only bay a few calories per day.

 

[ChristyP]

In the movie "Silence of the Lambs" the character "Buffalo Bill" stalked chubby women, took them home and put them in a deep room they couldn't get out of... he only lowered them a smidge of food. He wanted them to lose weight.

Maybe you could start a new weight loss clinic called "Buffalo Bill's Fatling camp" lol

Did you get the idea to develop your "Educator" persona from watching Desperate Housewives last week? There was a "fitness" guy on there that wouldn't let the women of Wisteria lane slack on their exercises.

 

[i_love_muscle]

For a discussion about weight loss and obesity its cause and cure.

I'll save you some time.

Do you have a PhD in biochemistry?

Are you actively involved in the scientific study of obesity, hormones, nutrition, etc.?

If you REALLY knew what you were talking about, you'd be able to provide a plethora of academic sources to back up your claims. In my world, if whatever you're saying can't be supported with academic sources, what you're saying doesn't have much credibility.

 

[Jeanette401]

I'm reminded of a story - there was a company who had a large group of people doing data entry and they hired a consultant to help them cut costs. He came in, charged them a bunch of money and then came back with "Make 10% fewer typographical mistakes".

That was it - just make fewer mistakes. No suggestions on how to do it, or reasons why the mistakes happen just try harder.

Meanwhile, you can certainly simplify weight loss into calories in vs. calories out, but that's only useful if you don't believe there's anything more to the situation than people willfully eating too much. There are other reasons that people eat too many calories than simple lack of willpower:

• They don't understand how many calories a given food has, and assume that 'a meal' is 1/3 of a suitable amount of calories.
• They're depressed (which isn't the same as low self esteem) and eat out of comfort and despair.
• They feel hungry when they eat the 'right' amount of calories.
• Their BMR is messed up due to low caloric intake and they need to 'reset' their BMR.
• They have thyroid or other hormonal problems which either increase hunger or fat retention or whatever else you believe.

Simple overindulgence can be a part of it, but "Eat fewer calories" may not be as good as helping people learn how to learn fewer calories. But edumacation is dangerous.

(Also, seems to suggest a variance of at least 400kcal for resting energy expenditure as estimated by the Harris-Benedict formula for BMR, which is a trifle more than 35 calories a day)

 

[Educator]

In the movie "Silence of the Lambs" the character "Buffalo Bill" stalked chubby women, took them home and put them in a deep room they couldn't get out of... he only lowered them a smidge of food. He wanted them to lose weight.

Maybe you could start a new weight loss clinic called "Buffalo Bill's Fatling camp" lol

Did you get the idea to develop your "Educator" persona from watching Desperate Housewives last week? There was a "fitness" guy on there that wouldn't let the women of Wisteria lane slack on their exercises.

Actually I have enough grief dealing with hormonally challenged histrionic women clients. I would not find a show about dysfunctional women entertaining. I deal with enough crazy drama queens.

I made it a point not to watch Silence of the Lambs so tell me did Hanibal cook and eat any of the fatlings or did being the fact he was a doctor make him choose a leaner and cleaner cut of meat?

The only clients that I have who are more histrionic than fat girls are fat boys. They get quite defensive when they are a around a manly man like me. I think it would be best if fit women were to coach and counsel fat boys.

Eventually when the obesity rate hits 75% there will be mandatory fat camps, fat taxes, and penalties imposed on fatlings so they will end up paying their fair share.

 

[maleficent]

The only clients that I have who are more histrionic than fat girls are fat boys. They get quite defensive when they are a around a manly man like me. I think it would be best if fit women were to coach and counsel fat boys.

Spend more time on the internet actually reading - youll find neurosis is spread equally across both genders -not to mention inflated senses of self worth - that you have is also spread across both genders..

 

[Educator]

I'll save you some time.

Do you have a PhD in biochemistry?

Are you actively involved in the scientific study of obesity, hormones, nutrition, etc.?

If you REALLY knew what you were talking about, you'd be able to provide a plethora of academic sources to back up your claims. In my world, if whatever you're saying can't be supported with academic sources, what you're saying doesn't have much credibility.

It would seem that all the people with PhD and MD have only made the obesity epidemic worse.

I have applied the scientific method in the study of obesity. Studying hormones and nutrition has been done and it cannot and it will not reveal a cure. People today are very very stupid and they seem to forget that 30 years ago most people were not fat. Studying hormones and nutrition that have been studied for over a century is a waste of time if the sole purpose is to find a cure for obesity. People are not fat because of hormones. They are fat because they are gluttons. Obesity has a bad effect on hormones but hormonal anomalies are not the reasons 70% of Americans are obese.

I do think we would be smart to study the effect obesity has on IQ. There is a correlation between IQ, education and obesity. It turns out that the higher the IQ and education level the lower rate of obesity.

 

[PaperAirPlanes]

Seriously...

"fat lings"

"fat girls"

"fat boys"

W/e else words you use to describe "people like us", what in the hell gives you the right to make fun of [cause that's EXACTLY what you're doing] us?

I'll be damned if someone is gonna sit by and lump a group of people together with words that were made for the elementary school play ground. I dare you, absolutely DARE YOU, to get to knw someone who is over weight and realize they are a fucking human just like you and just like me. I might be fat, but by God I am smart, I have a high level of intelligence, I do things every other "normal" person in the world does. I get mad, I get sad, I yell, I cry. If you cut me, I bleed.

Just.Like.YOU.

Only difference is, I don't go around insulting people based on looks. I am not ignorant. I educate myself to see all points of views, every side of a situation. I take other peoples feelings and lives into account.

I'm sure damn near everyone here can agree with me.

If you couldn't bitch about fat people, you'd be bitching about black people, if not them, then homosexual people, if not them, then the asian population, if not them, then those with freckles. You still wouldn't be satisfied, because you feel the need to cut others down for your own self satisfaction.

And that goes WAY beyond what you're "trying" to bring to this board, WAY beyond what you might EVER be able to educate anyone about. You have issues, severe issues, where you cannot see past your own two feet. And that will come around and bite you in the ass someday.

What if your wife gained weight? Do you keep her on a strict diet and spoon feed her so she can't ever eat one more calorie than needed? Would you divorce her if she did? Would you require her to join a gym, to work herself to death, just so you don't have to look at her?

Cause that's mental and phsyical abuse of a person.

And yanno, honestly, if you have kids, God help them.

Try to give a respect and more people might actually listen. Then again, keep giving flawed and insulting information and no one ever will.

I love arguements. I love to see what people will come back with, and you've been a real trip, but at the end of the day, I've got the peace of mind to know I'm a decent person who doesn't judge and entire population of people.

 

[ChefChiTown]

It would seem that all the people with PhD and MD have only made the obesity epidemic worse.

I have applied the scientific method in the study of obesity.

You call insulting everybody, getting angrily defensive and shoving random, uneducated and incorrect "facts" down their throats applying a scientific method?

Studying hormones and nutrition has been done and it cannot and it will not reveal a cure.

Neither will filling this forum with your anti-fat-people bullshit.

People today are very very stupid...

I couldn't have said it better myself.

:holds up a mirror, pointing in your direction:

Studying hormones and nutrition that have been studied for over a century is a waste of time if the sole purpose is to find a cure for obesity. People are not fat because of hormones. They are fat because they are gluttons. Obesity has a bad effect on hormones but hormonal anomalies are not the reasons 70% of Americans are obese.

Once again, you are wrong...

Medical causes of obesity can include:

Hypothyroidism. This is a condition where the thyroid gland, located in the neck, produces too little thyroid hormone. Thyroid hormone regulates our metabolism. So too little hormone slows the metabolism and often causes weight gain. If your doctor suspects thyroid disease as a cause of your obesity, he or she may perform blood tests to check your hormone levels.

Cushing's syndrome. This condition results when the adrenal glands (located on top of each kidney) produce an excess amount of a steroid hormone called cortisol. This leads to a build-up of fat in characteristic sites such as the face, upper back, and abdomen.

Depression. Some people with depression overeat, which can lead to obesity.

Medical Causes of Obesity

I do think we would be smart to study the effect obesity has on IQ. There is a correlation between IQ, education and obesity. It turns out that the higher the IQ and education level the lower rate of obesity.

You must be one fat mother fucker then.

 

[LowFatMilk]

It would seem that all the people with PhD and MD have only made the obesity epidemic worse.

So in other words, you're not superior to any of us.

 

[Educator]

Spend more time on the internet actually reading - youll find neurosis is spread equally across both genders -not to mention inflated senses of self worth - that you have is also spread across both genders..

I agree! Fat boys are much more histrionic than fat girls. Fat people have a very high sense of self worth and entitlement. That is very obvious when you watch shows like Brookhaven, Ruby and Celebrity Fit Club.

Fat males who come off with the large attitude have hissy fits when you hold their feet to the fire. It is like they have PMS. I suppose the extra estrogen that causes them to grow moobs also makes them soooo emotional.

 

[LowFatMilk]

Fat people have a very high sense of self worth and entitlement.

ROFL.

WOW.

You are an idiot. You know nothing about fat people.

 

[oLUX]

Educator, I deduce that you're socially awkward in real life.

 

[reneng]

wow this figure is scary...

Being Fat before i can understand the food temptation and what's it liek to have craving. However, i believe eating disorder doesnt happen overnight although there can be a spike in inpulse at time.

The key is discipline and this don't happen overnight. The next key is knowing what to do , cos if you don't see results you will give up.


cheers,
rene

 

[maleficent]

It turns out that the higher the IQ and education level the lower rate of obesity.

i always knew I was special and not like everyone else...
Test scores say I'm pretty damn smart - my IQ is damn near the top of the scale... 1600 on my SATs in high school and damn near perfect score on the GRE and near perfect score on the LSATs because I took them for fun...

I'm reasonably educated and paper says I'm pretty smart... Yes - still was obese...

You are beginning to bore me with your lame pontificating...

YOu hate fat people.. ok fine we get it.. Move on...

 

[maleficent]

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The key is discipline and this don't happen overnight. The next key is knowing what to do , cos if you don't see results you will give up. =

Discipline my ass... the key is educating yourself so you know what to do - and making it a life style change so there is nothing to give up...

 

[Educator]

ROFL.

WOW.

You are an idiot. You know nothing about fat people.

Really? what is there to know? They are usually sedentary, eat too much lie about and have a sense of entitlement.

They can lose weight but the choose not to. I think that just about covers it.

What am I missing?