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Can YOU prove that YOU'RE not a glutton?

I'll just sit here in the corner, awaiting your proof...

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I sure can prove it. I eat moderate and responsible amounts of food and I place nutrition above flavor. Food is not a priority nor is it my entertainment. Also I have a BMI of 22.8. Given the above it is impossible for me to fit the definition of a glutton.

Now it is your turn.

If you are over weight that can only mean that you are eating chronically eating immoderate amounts of food. If that is not gluttony please tell me what you think it is.
 
I sure can prove it. I eat moderate and responsible amounts of food and I place nutrition above flavor. Food is not a priority nor is it my entertainment. Also I have a BMI of 22.8. Given the above it is impossible for me to fit the definition of a glutton.

Now it is your turn.

If you are over weight that can only mean that you are eating chronically eating immoderate amounts of food. If that is not gluttony please tell me what you think it is.

That's NOT proving it.

I could say I'm the Queen of England. And then say "Well sure, I've got a crown", so does every prom queen, miss america, and little girl.

Try again.
This time, think first.
 
I sure can prove it. I eat moderate and responsible amounts of food and I place nutrition above flavor. Food is not a priority nor is it my entertainment. Also I have a BMI of 22.8. Given the above it is impossible for me to fit the definition of a glutton.

Now it is your turn.

If you are over weight that can only mean that you are eating chronically eating immoderate amounts of food. If that is not gluttony please tell me what you think it is.

How does that PROVE anything? I can type whatever I want on the internet too, but that doesn't make it true.

I have a 10" penis.

See? I said it, so that's proof that it must be true. Only...

:looks inside of shorts:

Nope...no, it's definitely not true at all. I'm still hung like a gummybear.

Once again, PROVE that you are not a glutton. Don't ask somebody to prove something that you can't even prove yourself. Hypocrisy is fun, isn't it?
 
So that I have proof she is being honest. That's why. Can you prove that YOU are not a glutton? Can you? Because if you can you will really make me look dumb. I bet you would like that huh? You would be a big hero here.

I suspect that you may be or may have been a glutton. Tell me why my suspicions are unfounded.
I am a glutton -and really have no problem with that....

I love food.. It's one of the things I'm truly passionate about and would write poetry about it -If I could stand poetry... the flavors, the smells, the textures, the combination of flavors to get new and different flavors... Food is exciting...

But with that passion for food, I've also managed to drop a couple of pounds... so embracing that passion and my gluttony and not fighting it helped with that weight loss...

But I really don't expect anyone but me to understand that.
 
Hopefully I got someone's attention. Somebody needs to get people to wake up and smell the coffee.
Ok. so I've joked and teased and all that but in all seriousness -or as serious as I can get...

I'm kind of a bitch around here - a hard ass and not all that nice on most days... I'm not milk and cookies and hand out hankies...

I want people to wake up and smell the coffee -but I do not want people spoonfed information - Spoonfeeding people doesn't make for long term changes - YOu seem to rely on intimidation to get results -I prefer educating or re-educating people to get results and having them realize their own goals and find out what those goals are...

I have an expectation that if people come into a suppport forum, that they actually engage a brain cell or two and look around the forum before posting.. Something i'm not sure that you did - because had you bothered doing that - you'd see that the majority of members of this site are not advocates of weight loss surgery...
 
LoL, Educator... You might not be a "Glutton" but you are guilty of at least 2 or 3 of the other 7 deadly sins!
 
For Steve

Steve, I hope you can descipher this. I tried posting in another thread but ther was a glitch. Maybe this will give you a better idea of what I am doing and saying.


QUOTE=Steve;568512]Do you even grasp the concept that you're spewing? How many people are committing suicide by your standards each and every day?

Those who choose to be sedentary are suicidal.

If their behavior is life threatening and it is causing premature death and if they choose to do nothing about it it fits the medical definition of suicide.

Those who choose to smoke cigarettes and do drugs are suicidal.

Now that smokers have the nicotine patch doing nothing about smoking while deying the dangers fits the medical definition of suicide.

Those who choose to speed or suicidal.

Perhaps if they do it chronically and drive way over the speed limit they would fit the medical definition.

On and on it goes.

It may be indirect suicide as they aren't choosing to kill themselves... instead they're choosing to ignore the outcomes of their actions. But by your views, they should be locked up.

Again, Steve you are putting words in my mouth. I never said locked up. There needs to be intervention of some sort and perhaps institutionalization may be the best way to help them. A qualified obesity specialist like me could determine that on an individual basis


I know you feel high and mighty with your preachings, but many of your viewpoints are very myopic. Some are good. Simple but good. Many are myopic.

My vision is just fine. It may seem myopic to those who are unable to see through smoke screen and the forest for the trees. I think you maybe looking at this epidemic with slightly improved lenses.



Where did I put words in your mouth?

You did in this post too.

Don't point fingers with no reference please. I can see you've not liked others doing this to you in this very thread.

I have not done that.



Don't paint pictures you have no knowledge about.

It makes you look desperate and pathetic.

Steve, I have forgotten more about this epidemic than you will ever know unless you hear what I already know.

That's convenient.



They're lying to me and to themselves.

I do it pretty much daily around here. If you got off your soapbox you might realize this..

I don't preach I educate, challenge and bust myths.



Nope.



Agreed.

I'll also repeat what I said earlier:

I don't pretend that those decisions made by said glutton have an impact on my life to the extent that I'd feel the need to stand up on a pedestal and preach about sending them to a mental institution for my own safety and well-being.

Maybe you should advocate some sort of intervention like even a nut house or a fatty boot camp.

In fact, if I did, I'd probably concern myself with my own commitment to an institution long before anyone else's.

I am a proactive therapist. I believe in an interventional approach simply because everything we have done so far has NOT worked. Doctors and the weight loss industry have failed miserably. We are in deep shit. Fat people are dropping like flies. We need to do something that works and if it hurts their feelings I think that is a small price to pay for them to regain their healthy and longevity.
 
For Steve

As do I.



Almost identical to my own methods.



lol

That's laughable.

It's funny how our approaches are almost identical yet, magically, you're 'clients' when confronted with the truth of thermodynamics undo all of their neural programming from years and years in one swell swoop and successfully lose weight.

Telling them the truth does not in an of itself flush out the BS and the self delusion. It does make them think. It also block them from going back to the irrational thinking that serves their delusional state. It works like a charm. I use a variation of RET to cause the client to question their irrational beliefs, behaviors and attitudes. When they can no longer hide in their delusional thinking they get very uncomfortable. When people are uncomfortable they get motivated to take action really quickly. When hey see a clear path to an objective and when they see a plan that looks fool proof to them and if they are honest they will follow that plan. It is a bit more complex than this but what I have done here is spit in their soup so to speak, The reason for the hateful reactions is because they are now uncomfortable in their own belief system and they see how their system has failed them so they are having tantrums and they are scared. That is why they are striking out at the the messenger. They will get used to it. They are not used to someone telling it to them like it is. They are used to being patronized by their doctors and the diet industry. Remember it has been the doctors and the diet industry that has failed them by coddling them and appealing to their weakness, egoism, greed, gluttony, gullibility and hedonism. I appeal to their sense of honor, and justice
.

Get real.



As do I.

In truth, it seems we have very similar methods.

Unfortunately your delivery of said message is atrocious.

I don't pussy foot around but I do hook them first so that I can apply my "Irish diplomacy." I want them to get angry because anger is an honest emotion. They spew their verbal venom and then the hear it repeated back. They see how irrational it is and they see how full of crap they are. They don't like that because like I said they are egoistic. It drive them nuts but it makes them want to change. Once the have been cut down to size they find the humility that so many of them lack. When they find their humility they consider the effect their obesity and gluttony is having on others. When that happens they think in a more altruistic way and they begin to set priorities. They consider their roles as family members and citizens and they want to be better people. They realize that their greedy and gluttonous behavior is driven by very selfish and primitive motives. By now they want to be more than a hedonistic and selfish boor whose sentences start with I and end with me. They see that weight loss is merely a by product of living and thinking right. They see that food is simply a requirement for staying alive and it is not a form of recreation nor should it be used for pleasure.

In the end they develop mentally, emotionally, spiritually and neurologically. In other words, they grow up.

I do not think they are good or bad people. What I think doesn't matter to the process. I see them as people who choose irrational behavior based on irrational beliefs that have been reinforced by a culture and a civilization that is in decline. The fact that 70% of people are eating themselves to death everyday is merely a symptom of a much deeper problem. That is why I reject the conventional wisdom that blames McDonalds, and technology for this plague of the 21st century.

I know that my stuff makes people uncomfortable. Most humans do have the herd mentality. Change is scary. That is why we need leaders. 30% of the herd is moving in the right direction health wise. The rest of the herd are lemmings and every year more an more end up walking off the cliff to their demise.

It's misdirected too.

I've spent years delivering the very same message to this community. As have others. And that brings us full circle to my initial point that your super awesome research doesn't apply to this community or my clientèle.

Most of my research speaks for itself. I spent many years examining myths and popular notions. I spent many years finding out why most dieters fail. I have sent the past few years working on a delivery system for a therapeutic approach that is effective and easy to employ. I have come up with something that is highly effective and easy to employ. I am further perfecting strategies and tactics that can be passed on for free. I know that in the experimental stage alone I have saved at least 20 lives. What I am doing is not pretty nor is it popular but I think it is more important than AIDS and cancer research combined.


So why are you directing it here?

This is a laboratory for me.


The masses are the ones who are being misguided by faulty, corrupt advertisers. They're the ones who are being enabled by con artists. Not niche communities such as this.

The deception by advertisers is a big part of the problem. They know all the stuff I am saying regarding the nutty and neurotic nature of fat people. They exploit and manipulate the these lemmings into eating a plate full of shit sandwiches everyday. I see effects the brain washing here quite clearly. Perhaps you are too close to it. I meant to piss some people off because I wanted their honest reactions but I also want them to evaluate in a sober and unemotional way their reactions to my stuff. I would like them to focus their anger on the people who have BSed them. I would like them to get angry enough to become empowered and inner motivated.


So why not direct your at
tention there to prove your point instead of someplace that obviously doesn't need it?

Again this is a lab and it came up in google. I have done this on WLS forums, Atkins, South Beach, 3 Chicks on a diet ect.. I have even done similar things on pro ana sites and got some vary surprising reactions and I also gathered some valuable insight that I believe very few people understand. I also helped several anas and mias have breakthroughs that saved them and I was not even telling them anything. I was simply asking question so that I could gain an understanding and as a side effect they had a breakthrough that pointed them back to normal. BTW, anas are very polite and humble. They are insightful and evolved although they have some irrational ideas and I think many are misdiagnosed OCD. Others who have full blown Anorexia Nervosa are absolutely heartbreaking. They truly need a gentle approach but the usually get treated like crap. Fat people on the other IMO require a very direct and tough approach. They can take it. Anas rarely defend themselves. Fatlings are nearly always defensive, aggressive and strident. They are not shrinking violets.

Answer this please.[/QUOTE]

I hope this helps Steve.
 
That's NOT proving it.

I could say I'm the Queen of England. And then say "Well sure, I've got a crown", so does every prom queen, miss america, and little girl.

Try again.
This time, think first.

Your argument is illogical.

Gluttony and hedonism when it comes to food causes obesity. Temperance and moderation causes a lean body. Get it?
 
How does that PROVE anything? I can type whatever I want on the internet too, but that doesn't make it true.

I have a 10" penis.

See? I said it, so that's proof that it must be true. Only...

:looks inside of shorts:

Nope...no, it's definitely not true at all. I'm still hung like a gummybear.

Once again, PROVE that you are not a glutton. Don't ask somebody to prove something that you can't even prove yourself. Hypocrisy is fun, isn't it?

So then if you say you are not a glutton then you may be lying about that?
 
I am a glutton -and really have no problem with that....

I love food.. It's one of the things I'm truly passionate about and would write poetry about it -If I could stand poetry... the flavors, the smells, the textures, the combination of flavors to get new and different flavors... Food is exciting...

But with that passion for food, I've also managed to drop a couple of pounds... so embracing that passion and my gluttony and not fighting it helped with that weight loss...

But I really don't expect anyone but me to understand that.

Finally some honesty:party:

You love food? Why? Is food worthy of love? I watch the Food Channel and I see porn for fat people. I see Emeril, Malto Mario, Ina Garten, Paula Deen the butter queen and now even Rachel Ray getting fatter and unhealthier every year. It is quite disturbing.

I like to cook and I enjoy a tasty meal now and then but I am not a gormand. Most restaurant food goes through me like shit through a goose. Our bodies were not designed for the crap most of us put into it but they will adapt in the short term. Heck you can run crude oil in a diesel engine but it won't last as long as it would if you ran kerosene in it.

Are the flavors worth taking 20 years off your life and lowering the quality of the ones you have left?

Are your children, grand children and perhaps great grand children worth less than that flavor buzz? Do you think that maybe they may need you for as long as you can be there for them?

Food is easy. Food does not judge. Food needs nothing in return. Food will never let you down. Food will never ignore your pleas. Food is loyal. Food is seductive. Food is pleasure. Maybe it is time for you to find a friend who needs you.
 
Educator...

Stop posting and write a bloody book... As you have already pointed out with your statistics so many of us fat people spend so much money on crappy diet info ..... I think you will reach your target audience... so put pen to paper and your money where your mouth is... You can rant and rave all you like and no one will argue with you... sounds ideal.... For your and all of us here at the forum...
 
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