New, and blue, about weight :(

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Holly, I thank you for the kind support :). I also know, taht I need to really work myself in overdrive -- been here before. The only reason I'm back..... I got pregnant.... up until I got pregnant, everything was fine for like 2 years and I was still losing weight. Then it all went to hell. I'm figuring hormones..... anyway, you're right about body builders too but I'm merely suggesting that a calorie is not the end all be all, especially if you want to have the energy and nutrients you need to exercise. Meh.... what does it matter anyway right? As long as we're all working hard and achieving our goals, it's a moot point :)

HUGS

bluemomma
 
Holly88 said:
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but there is yet to be any evidence to suggest it matters where your calories come from as far as weight loss is concerned..
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Yes but I think the point is to be healthy ...not just lose weight. As was pointed out you can lose weight by living on only chocolate if it's only X amount of calories in the amount of chocolate you consume, but that's far from a healthy diet and your health would certainly suffer.
 
A calorie is a calorie is a calorie.

A calorie is not a set number of nutrients, or weight, or anything more then what it is.

From the Mayo Clinic:

"The key to weight loss is burning more calories than you consume. Because 3,500 calories equals about 1 pound (0.45 kilogram) of fat, you need to burn 3,500 calories more than you take in to lose 1 pound. So if you cut 500 calories from your typical diet each day, you'd lose about 1 pound a week (500 calories x 7 days = 3,500 calories)."

It just doesn't matter.

That does NOT mean I am advocating people consuming nothing but candy bars to lose weight. Nutrition and weight loss should go hand in hand, but they don't have to.

What you are arguing is a very small part of a huge topic. Diet alone does not make a bodybuilder a bodybuilder. Nor can most people build any significant amount of muscle on a calorie deficit, at least not long term.

While "dieting" the goal is to keep muscle mass, not lose it, which is why most would suggest weight training while losing to maintain, not build.
 
bluemomma said:
Meh.... what does it matter anyway right? As long as we're all working hard and achieving our goals, it's a moot point :)
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We're on a weight loss forum.

If we were arguing who won the Academy Award for best actor in 1995 (it was Nicholas Cage by the way) that would be a moot point.

How and why are bodies lose weight is far from moot.
 
Ummmm........ relax? We're not all doing the exact same thing to lose weight are we? We don't time our meals together, or eat the exact same foods or do the exact same exercise..... point being how we get there is irrelevant in terms of *debate* as long as we keep at it, keep positive and get there..... so yeah, I stand by my post about calories -- it's a moot one beyond academic debate.

PS -- I didn't say body builders built muscle whilst in calorie deficiency... that would be called the *cutting* phase. I merely meant that, as they've demonstrated, it's not about calories alone.

Cheers,
bluemomma
 
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I miss Kara
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I don't. I thought she was quite rude and could be pretty hateful toward people. She had a lot of good information but the way she delivered it was often in a very negative and belittling way. I'm sorry you miss your friend though. :( *hugs*
 
Oh :( well that's too bad. Information is always useful and great to have..... negativity on the other hand.... not so good. Oh well :(.
 
bluemomma said:
PS -- I didn't say body builders built muscle whilst in calorie deficiency... that would be called the *cutting* phase. I merely meant that, as they've demonstrated, it's not about calories alone.

Cheers,
bluemomma
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My partner and I are actually in this industry and we don't count calories or macros in my house. Come to think about it, a lot of our close friends that compete don't count them either.
 
When you're "in the industry", you probably have a good idea of how much of what kind of foods your body needs, you've got portion control down to an internal inherant science, and you don't need to count. For the rest of us, we have to learn. Counting helps us learn. If we knew how much of what we needed to eat by feel, none of us would be fat.

(I hate that this conversation is crossing into many different threads now)

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I miss Kara too :(

She wasn't mean, she was honest. When you have to deal with proving the same misinformation wrong over and over again and no one seems to "get it", I'm sure it gets exhausting. I don't blame her for leaving, but I hope she's just taking a break and will return sometime.
 
I don't see anyone getting "uppity" here. There is a difference in opinion, and everyone has a right to voice their opinion if they want to. You don't have to agree with it and can refute their discussion. Or you can stick your fingers in your ears and go "LA LA LA LA LA."

All I've seen so far is people are further clarifying their statements, which is a reasonable thing to do.
 
Hi Bluemomma,

Your exercise plan sounds excellent for weight loss. But if it has been a while since you've been exercising, I recommend that you take the first month or so very gently. So that your body can get used to the exercise again.

If you are going to cut out or limit your carbs while you are doing such intense exercise, there is a big chance that you may become exhausted and fatigued. Carbs supply the body with energy and if you cut it out you won't have energy.

Rather stick to healthy carbs like whole-wheat and health breads, baby potatoes, sweet potatoes, brown rice, and whole-wheat pasta and couscous. Also try to eat more fruit and veggies. And stick to one yogurt cup and halve the amount of crackers that you would normally have. And don't go for too many dinners that you don't include carbs.

Good luck!
 
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