Members wish class action for weight loss surgery in scotland ?

crinkle

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on behalf of laura brown, who is seeking others who would like to take part in a class action lawsuit, in Scotland, over the restrictions here on weight loss surgery. Particularly Glasgow. She has an appointment with Cameron fyfe, and the press seems to be hot on this issue, so ASAP.

Thanks.

Roger.


Here is background to her story.



Court threat over obesity surgery

BBC news 24 / Tuesday, 17 July 2007,

A woman who weighs 24 stone intends to take Greater Glasgow and Clyde Health Board to court if it does not consider her for weight-loss surgery.
Laura Brown, 34, insists her weight is leaving her in pain and house-bound.

She became angry after the health authority told her she would have to attend a year-long diet programme before she could undergo surgery.

Ms Brown, from Glasgow, believes her only option to lose weight is to have a gastric band fitted around her stomach.

Seven years ago she lost 12 stone with the help of weight loss drugs prescribed by her doctor.

Since then she has put all the weight back on.

The health board have told Ms Brown that she will have to attend their weight management programme for at least a year before she can be put forward for the operation.

In England it is recommended that anyone with a BMI of over 40, like Ms Brown, should automatically be considered for surgery because of the cost efficiency.

Scottish guidelines are currently under review

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Previous press




2001. Laura Brown is half the woman she was this time last year after her doctor put her on the new fat-buster drug Xenical.



Laura Brown, from Glasgow, lost 11 stone after she was prescribed Xenical in 2000. When 23 stone, at the age of 27, she was one of the first Scots to take the drug. She was given it by her doctor after diets and exercise failed to shift her weight.

While on Xenical she kept her portions down because she quickly learned that every time she overate she would suffer the uncomfortable consequences of diarrhoea and flatulence.

But six years later she is back up to almost 22 stone because she could not keep the weight off when she stopped taking the medication.

Brown, now 33, said: "No drug is a miracle. I had to do a lot of the work myself. When I came off the medication, the weight came back gradually, then it spiralled.
 
and what about her taking some personal responsibility for herself.

that's insane that she's suing because she doesn't want to help herself right now.

Surgery IS NOT the magic bullet - it is possible to lose weight without surgery. Surgery is not worth the risk. It doesn't sound like this woman is willing to change her lifestyle and is lookingfor the easy way out.

No sympathy from me...
 
this is the line that really sticks in my craw -
I had to do a lot of the work myself.
Umm _hello!!! if you don't do the work, who the heck is going to... you have to do all the work, and it's really not that difficult... the difficult part is getting yourself ready in your head to do it...

She should seriously consider counselling to get to why she doesn't want to lose weight - or better join this forum to get herself some education and support and learn how to lose weight.
 
I'm not done yet - because this is just irking me...

Does this woman even realize that she will ahve to undergo a drastic diet change after she has the surgery? She didn't seem to grasp that when she was on Xenical...
 
I'm just here to take messages, regarding others wanting to take class actions, or pointers.

Laura doesnt have a computer, due to bad eyesight. She is not able to defend herself or be present in this kind of debate.

So for that reason, i'm not goint to get into a proper debate here. But since this has been brought up, which i kind of expected, i'll say something.

From my own observation, having known her since she was a teenager, there seems to be a genetic component. Having been seperated from her siblings, she later finds out that morbid obesity runs in the family.

IT wouldnt surprise me. I have relatives from the same part of russia as hers, who seem to become morbidly obese eating regular portions. Then they get bigger gut, and more hunger, and then jumping over 25 stone. Its indicative of her genetics that she shrunk from 22 to 11 stone on xenical in 10 months.

I saw for myself, she was putting weight back on immediately after stopping xenical, even with regular workouts and carefull diet. For some people due to genetics, being slim is more like keeping a dinghy underwater than others. From what ive seen, attitude is one part of the equation but not enough for this kind of problem. SO its no surprise shes focussed on surgery and being blatant that she lacks motivation for what has been tried and did not work.

I'm pretty sure she understands whats required after surgery.
 
I'm just here to take messages, regarding others wanting to take class actions, or pointers.

Laura doesnt have a computer, due to bad eyesight. She is not able to defend herself or be present in this kind of debate.

So for that reason, i'm not goint to get into a proper debate here. But since this has been brought up, which i kind of expected, i'll say something.

From my own observation, having known her since she was a teenager, there seems to be a genetic component. Having been seperated from her siblings, she later finds out that morbid obesity runs in the family.

IT wouldnt surprise me. I have relatives from the same part of russia as hers, who seem to become morbidly obese eating regular portions. Then they get bigger gut, and more hunger, and then jumping over 25 stone. Its indicative of her genetics that she shrunk from 22 to 11 stone on xenical in 10 months.

I saw for myself, she was putting weight back on immediately after stopping xenical, even with regular workouts and carefull diet. For some people due to genetics, being slim is more like keeping a dinghy underwater than others. From what ive seen, attitude is one part of the equation but not enough for this kind of problem. SO its no surprise shes focussed on surgery and being blatant that she lacks motivation for what has been tried and did not work.

I'm pretty sure she understands whats required after surgery.

I don't understand why you posted here in this section it is for new members to introduce themselves and not to stir things up for a law suit. So unless you want to introduce yourself and get started on dieting I see no further use for you to post about her problem. You have done your job and now I think the moderators should do their job and delete or move you.
 
I don't understand why you posted here in this section it is for new members to introduce themselves and not to stir things up for a law suit. So unless you want to introduce yourself and get started on dieting I see no further use for you to post about her problem. You have done your job and now I think the moderators should do their job and delete or move you.

In scotland there is a seven year waiting period for surgery these days. The bbc are making a report on another guy who waited paitently for over three years, then was told, the local policies for allocation had been "redistributed" during that time, and he now has to wait another 3 and half years.

In glasgow the weight management programme, asks for two years with their patients first. After that time, you will then, be considered being put forward onto the long waiting lists.

When you put that timespan together, a lot of people will be suffering from comorbid conditions.

Reviewing the papers of the glasgow weight management programme. They were primarily about cost efficiency. Resources are resources. The problem seems to be that the many managers in the NHS, who got recruited some time ago, were interested in careers as effective managers. They are accountable for poor resource management, and not about decisions which affect peoples health. This is obvious in the way people are getting messed around and fobbed off.

Looking from the outside, its like watching someone trying to get the football back from the school bully. Then the patients get stressed, being ill already, and in return they are accused of being unreasonable. Seen it many times in the NHS. Another friend of mine nearly died twice from brain bleeds, because the frontline staff were overtly concerned with his attitude, rather than his symptoms. "Ive got a brain bleed"..."are you sure ? why do you think that...you seem too anxious, maybe you should go home and come back when you can think clearly !!"

If i was in the position of these people i'd rather be told "look there isnt any money for this, when there is we will call you". Then i would do something else instead of build hope up for so long, (plus add one or two in glasgow for asessment) to be given a reason which isnt medical, but a management getout clause. Basically they will look for a medical reason, then if none are availible try a business strategy instead. I think there is something really cold about that which compounds the problems of someone in a fragile state.


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I'm trying to figure out what the whole point of this is??

I'm moving it to a different section for now, it doesn't belong in the newbie section.
 
In scotland there is a seven year waiting period for surgery these days. The bbc are making a report on another guy who waited paitently for over three years, then was told, the local policies for allocation had been "redistributed" during that time, and he now has to wait another 3 and half years.//

What, I can't believe this! Michael Moore just did a movie called sicko saying that all countries except America have great free medical systems. Are you calling Michael Moore a liar?

 
awww cute baby!! Where do you get your pics? lol

No, i wasn't grossed out about putting your foot in your mouth...i was about you chewing your foot off all the way to the knees, lol!!

Now, when you say brains never got bigger, you mean.......nah, better leave it be ;)
 
awww cute baby!! Where do you get your pics? lol

No, i wasn't grossed out about putting your foot in your mouth...i was about you chewing your foot off all the way to the knees, lol!!

Now, when you say brains never got bigger, you mean.......nah, better leave it be ;)

I use google images and just put in what I am loking for and it is there.
 
What, I can't believe this! Michael Moore just did a movie called sicko saying that all countries except America have great free medical systems. Are you calling Michael Moore a liar?

Ok hes a liar.

Since you bring up this subject, which i didnt really want to raise on a largely american health forum. It is the adopted strategy of business control of medicine in britain that is getting everybody steamed up here. These models come from america. SO now we also have the strange phenomena of patients wanting to sue the NHS. Never thought i would ever see this. IF you see patients as a source of revenue ..it clicks something bad in the human psyche. The patients react. They dont see medicine possessing integrity and benevolence, during their dreaded times. The whole system becomes a racket in which the doctors bond with the patient is disrupted, and from what i can make of moores debates with american doctors. The doctors themselves become corrupted by this system. But they dont seem to realise it. Its happening in britain now. Not very nice to see.

Moore made a list, where nations medical systems were rated according to several criteria. America came low. Not bottom. Especially for money in/effectiveness ratio. He didnt say "all countries have great free medical systems" at all. What he did was put the USA idea of business controlled medicine a new light.
 
Mike, why are you living on 700 calories a day? Was that an exaggeration? I am hoping so, because that is way too low.
 
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