Kicking my own.. er.. what is that behind me?

HEy there, great progress so far and congrats on kicking the sugar addiction.
Sounds like you're doing really well on the exercise as well.
Looking forward to reading about your progress!

Question? are you doing strength training as well as cardio?
 
HEy there, great progress so far and congrats on kicking the sugar addiction.
Sounds like you're doing really well on the exercise as well.
Looking forward to reading about your progress!

Question? are you doing strength training as well as cardio?

Hey thanks :) I was doing strength training every second day until a couple of weeks ago but then stopped. I plan to get back on it soon. Right now I'm just trying to focus on getting my hormones/fluids in check. The drugs I was on really messed up my body in more ways than one. It's gonna take time. :conehead:
 
Hey Shinsplint! Just had a chance to catch up on your diary and congrats on getting the kgs to start shifting again. Detoxing from all the junk that we put in our mouths does take quite a while! I have major caffine withdrawal if I stop drinking tea or coffee, so instead I'm just trying to kind of limit my intake bit by bit - does make you realise just how much the stuff you chose to eat and drink determines how you feel though...until you control it.

Anyhows, good luck, looking forward to your updates and see you around!
 
Breakthrough!

I am so happy! Finally my upper torso fat has started to move! The trick was to go a day without fruit. Plus all the other changes I've made (no bread, meat, sugar, cheese or fried/processed food). Yesterday I went OTT on the vegies. But today is a rest day. After 2 consecutive days of delivering papers on foot, little to eat except plant matter and Ryvita (and fried fish on Thursday which almost made me retch... after a week of eating raw, it doesn't taste as nice!) and sore hammies, I'm calling it a week and putting my feet and fork up! :iagree: :cheers2:

I'm very inspired to continue being healthy by this forum! :waving:
 
Hey Shinsplint! Just had a chance to catch up on your diary and congrats on getting the kgs to start shifting again. Detoxing from all the junk that we put in our mouths does take quite a while! I have major caffine withdrawal if I stop drinking tea or coffee, so instead I'm just trying to kind of limit my intake bit by bit - does make you realise just how much the stuff you chose to eat and drink determines how you feel though...until you control it.

Anyhows, good luck, looking forward to your updates and see you around!

Thanks jjjay. Good idea on the caffeine front. I think we underestimate its effect and how much is in things like tea and chocolate. Maybe if you have one piece it isn't too bad but when you down whole family-sized blocks like I used to the effect must be stronger. In fact, I've been wondering if that's why I've been getting headaches since I've stopped.

Anyway, thanks for stopping by and have a great weekend! :)
 
Everything going well in the fitness arena, food is good, I'm back eating bread and boy did I miss it! But the weight is still coming off. :)

Right now I'm wondering 2 things: Can one tighten one's stomach after 30 by losing enough fat? And how the hell did I miss out on getting tickets to see Adam Lambert at St Kilda tomorrow? :dupe:
 
realy depends on your skin but building muscle after loosing the fat can make the skin look a bit better.
 
Well... I've been away for quite a while. A quick recap:

I fell back into my sugar addiction after a long bout of depression and trying to get off meds (which I have since done successfully). I was out of work for one whole year, most of that time spent looking and being stuck in an extremely stressful situation at home. My doctor couldn't find anything wrong with me but my friend who's a doctor suggested my stress hormones may have been out of balance. I think she said something about not having enough cortisol which makes dealing with stressful situations more difficult. It's all related to diet and exercise and sex hormones. Basically the whole package. So by kicking the sugar habit I will improve all these things.

After an Easter (and 2 months leading up to it) spent overindulging in chocolate eggs, I am ready to try kicking the bloody sugar again.

I now have a job, it's not perfect but it gets me away from home and keeps me away from food. My job is pretty active and I go up and down flights of stairs several times a day which is much easier when I'm not eating sugar, strangely enough.

I've bought the book Sweet Poison and The Sweet Poison Quit Plan and am starting to make plans for how my life will be without sugar. I'm convinced it's the only way to get my body and my brain back.

Things I hope will improve:

-My energy levels
-My weight - and with it, being able to fit into clothes, being able to walk and climb stairs without getting puffed out, being able to turn in bed without dragging the whole sheet off the mattress with my butt etc
-My concentration
-My memory
-My communication skills, especially verbal
-My emotional stability

Things that will help me:

-Support of my friends and family
-My full-time job
-Hobbies
-Visiting this site every day*
-Putting together an eating and exercise plan and sticking to it
-God

Things that will hinder me:

-Turbulent situations at home (I am the punching bag)
-Stressful situations at work
-My sweet tooth
-Hopelessness and despair
-Depression
-The fact that I quit the gym because it was sub-standard & too expensive
-Winter time making it hard to go out for walks outside working hours

I am going to start by just trying to quit sugar and not even focusing on exercise for the first month. I don't want to shock my system and fall back into my old ways because I over-exert myself and start craving carbs. I may do some weights several times a week.

I hope I will be successful this time.

:)
 
Hey sweetheart--I remember you :D

Hopefully 44 will post here--I might PM her to direct her here. I believe that she gave up/quit sugar cold turkey so she might be able to give you some good advice!

Glad your back!
 
good to see you back, hang in there YOU can achieve your goals, remember we are here for you :)
 
Hi Shinsplints, Nice to meet you. I'm an aussie (north queensland), 47 (meaning tons of life experience), have lived in Sydney for 10 years, and have a fair bit in common with you, though lots of differences also. But maybe what we have in common, i can use to help you along a little bit.

I have depression, started getting treatment with therapy and meds in 1997. I did therapy for 3 years and it helped me. Though of course it didn't cure me. Some things are not totally curable. (though i know that not all people who experience depression have a lifelong battle with it). The meds have been extremely important and in 2008, i finally accepted that i would have to stay on them for life. And i don't mind! Every time i go off them, i slip back into depression and all my gains are lost and more. So after a 2 year effort to stay off them this last time, i finally saw the light.

I somewhat suspect that you would be better helped by staying on your meds too but its not for me to judge that. It's between you and your doctor.My therapist was a psychiatrist and now i only see psychologists if i have a crisis, through the gp plan. Which is very good and i love my psychologist and my gp.

I don't have anxiety issues or a difficult family though i do have difficulties with them at times. I have had a lot of work issues and now i've solved that by giving it up. But lord how i tried. The best success i had in work was self-employment and that was fantastic but when i went off my meds, the depression brought my business down. I still have other business ideas to do but without money, its sort of difficult to make it happen. And now that i am a pensioner, I don't have to push myself. Though to be fair to myself, I have other fairly critical jobs to spend my money and efforts on before i can really throw myself into a business activity. ie, build myself a dwelling. Ok i could go on and on about my circumstances but its probably better if i just cut to the chase.

As you can see though, i am trying to show you that some of my experience is relevant to yours and so i think i can help you a bit.

First though, you write a wonderful report in #1 and so there's clearly no brain damage despite all the abuse. As you would know depression and anxiety affects brain function but you recover from that when you get well again. Depression and anxiety and stress make you very stupid at a certain level. And that's even more distressing, especially if you are in a new job. btw its great you have a job now and one that is somewhat physical. I have had a few of those and they are great - things like gardening, waitressing even cleaning hotel rooms. Its better than going to the gym as you get paid!

I don't really think about my sugar habit in quite the same terms as you. I think of it as a habit but it certainly feels like an addiction. And for this reason, i have given it up. And aim to give it up forever too. My patterns of eating sweet foods sound pretty much like what you've described. When i eat sugar i don't eat proper food so my health goes down all around.

I gave up smoking about 15 years ago now and my cold turkey method worked there very well. I am currently in my second attempt to give up sugar but this time i've got some differences in my approach and life circumstances so i expect to be more successful. I think last time i did it for about 3 months. I am up to the 3 month stage now and as determined as ever to continue. I am now using the model of my cig quit efforts as back up and insight for this quit sugar approach. On my last attempt, i don't think i was quite so clear headed and ready to give it up for life. But i have thought about it a lot lately and believe i can do this. And not suffer for it very much.

I am glad you are doing it cold turkey as i don't think reducing slowly really works. Because just like with cigs, a fag a day, or a bit of sugar a daykeeps your sugar addiction/habit alive and active in your body. You need to cut the urge off and i believe the best way is to cut it right out.

However, the biggest threat to your diet whatever method you are following is social stresses so its really important, i believe to minimise those from every angle you can, short of becoming a hermit. Having councelling will help you a lot. The stresses in councelling should not cause you to break your diet resolve because they are good stresses. The only thing that might cause it in therapy is when you feel bad because you are seriously holding back and feeling guilty - (some people stop going to session because they are so afraid of admitting something - that sort of behaviour will trigger a relapse i think). But i say this because i quit smoking when i was in therapy, had all the usual difficulties there and did not give up. So i think i am living proof.

Your family is another matter. And maybe even your job can be a source of stresses that may threaten your resolve. I can probably help you with these difficult things as you go along (though i am going to be away for two months so that's not very promising is it).

But to cut all that off right at the outset, learn about mindfulness and take up meditation Read wikipedia for an excellent explanation of mindfulness. If you are in a big city, i would even suggest you take up things like buddhism and yoga. Even if you dont' want to do it for the deepest spiritual reasons, do it for you balance of mind. I am an atheist but i have found some buddhist ideas excellent. Read Karen Armstrong's Buddha, its a biography and fantastic. Its the best book on buddhism i've read. Its totally readable without all the esoteric claptrap that can go on. Its a great place to start from if considering taking up this practice. Also reading Eat Pray Love might give you some motivation and insight into meditation in practice and its an uplifting book.

Yoga is excellent in that its demanding, gives you some psychological skills and a good teacher can work with any type of physical limitations a client may have. I especially recommend Iyengar yoga because they are so well trained these teachers and include a lot of training for working with people who have physical limitations. The first class i ever went to in Sydney, there were at least 10 people who had things like back problems, weight problems, and other physical restrictions. But the teacher could conduct a great class for all of the rest of us as well as them. Everyone is at a different level and most yoga can cope well with all of that. But avoid ashtanga because its very fast and you just have to muddle along without personal instruction. Some yoga's have some weird attitudes, so keep trying things til you find one you like. hatha is good but can be a bit undemanding. It depends on the teacher i guess.

Now to sugar. As you may realise by now, once you stop eating sugar, you don't miss it very much at all. And the longer you go on the easier it is. When you do feel an urge to binge, I firmly believe its a hormonal thing. The hormones can be triggered by psychological blows such as rejection or disappointment. I don't think we can eat to balance our hormones though and I don't think we need pills for it either except when there is a medical condition. That is why its so important to minimise those upsetting events. And to do that you need to learn good social skills to sidestep all of that. Your counselling should help you learn how to deal with your family better although it will take time. But i think you can pick up lots of tips from reading self help books, and psychology books. That doesn't mean to say it will be easy and you won't be able to change overnight or implement all that you learn overnight. Its something of a lifetime process. So in the short term, you need to find ways to chill in your family circle. Just don't engage with any inciting incidents. Don't argue, just detach. Detachment from emotive situations is a buddhist and mindfulness technique. Its very very effective. But its quite often misunderstood. Mindfulness will teach you how to understand it correctly.

Back to sugar. I notice you haven't written at all about the foods you are eating instead of sugar. I haven't heard of this plan you mention but it soudns like a pretty good thing, though to be honest, i don't think that quitting sugar requires a special diet. I think it just requires a no sugar and otherwise very healthy diet. You can read my diary to see what i eat as i list all my foods, my recipes and anything else i think relevant.

You have at least a good background in moderate eating and regular exercise. That's a strength. I find that every experience of success or past ideal circumstances really makes all our new efforts easier. As I said somewhere else i read that to give up smoking, most have to give it up 6 times before they are successful. This is because each time people learn from their mistakes. I think it can be similar with dieting. I certainly learn from past experiences, Although it seems to me that a lot of people do not learn from their mistakes and it sounds like you are learning from the past.
 
I think perhaps the absolutely most important thing to learn from failed diets is to eat enough food. Anyone who tries to starve themselves is doomed to fail. So the BMR and maintenance calorie calcualtors are very useful for that. IN lieu of those, following some generalised plant of 2 serves of dairy, x serves of protein, x serves of complex carbs and so on, will also do well. I do the latter though i like knowing how many calories i can eat. When you eat enough foods and you choose the right sorts of food, you will not go hungry and you will feel good and healthy. Sometimes you may have a little hunger but you won't leave the table feeling hungry. I never do. I eat three good sized meals as the centre of my diet. I have adjusted to eating less as well. I think its my commitment. I don't need to feel quite as full as i did before. If were to get hungry between meals and i didn't htink i could make it to the next meal without doing something terrible, i would eat a piece of fruit, have a cup of coffee, or if dinner wasn't for ages, i'd have an early meal, or something like a sushi roll, or a salad sandwich. You know something that will solve the problem.

I think i've gone on for more than enough. I hope you find some useful ideas here and some encouragement also. My diary is called "i'm aiming for 59kg" Its probably a fairly boring read but you can skim it for useful ideas. I've got some links in there too that might be useful.

And maybe you could join our vegetable cooking club. The one that only sunflower and me are very active on. But she will need a new partner while i am away so i hope she can recruit some more company cause i want to have lots of new vegie recipes to try when i get back. Its not a vegetarian's club its a vegetable dish club. So the dishes can be eaten with other meat dishes, but just that the dishes should not have meat in them.

anyway good luck.... and now i've mised breakfast lol

Oh dear, this is the longest post i've written on this forum. I've just discovered that there is a length limit. Hence the reason for two posts.
 
Hey forty-four :)

Thank you so much for your post; I think it's the longest post anyone's written to me too! You'll laugh but I've just been spending the last 2 nights reading your diary! I'm on page 5 now and determined to read until the end.. well, present. :) I am very inspired by how you've taken control of your life. You sound like you have worked out a lot of things from a great deal of experience which it may have been very painful to get. But looking at your photos I can see a woman who's certainly living life to the full.

I'm still not sure about my depression. When I'm not eating sugar, I actually don't feel depressed. Just a bit lonely in my suburban life (friends married, kids, other pals overseas etc). But when I'm addicted, like I am now, at times I can even become paranoid, insane or suicidal. I just feel like I want to escape all the time. My job, my family, my own self. I never feel this way when I'm not eating junk. I'm bright and bubbly, like I was as a child. That's why I have my doubts about antidepressants. I truly believe I can overcome my problems without the meds, but it's going to take a lot of work and courage. I know what my problem is but it's proving very hard to make the first move towards contentment because I'm always second-guessing my decisions. Simply, the problem is that I'm bored. I should have moved away 5 years ago but I let myself be talked out of it by my mother with who I have a close emotional bond. It's hard because when I feel doubtful about my behaviour in social situations she helps me to see things clearly. I might as well tell you now that, though no doctor will diagnose me, I've always suspected I am on the autistic spectrum. I'm at the mild end but it does affect my life to the extent that situations that others find mildly annoying I find completely intolerable and have to hide this from the world in order to be accepted. I have been to many psychologists about this and none of them want to diagnose me because, as they put it, "your university degrees are evidence of high functionality and even if you were diagnosed, it wouldn't help you at all." There is no government-funded program to help high-functioning autistic or Aspergers adults. It would be great if I could find a place to work where my needs could be considered and where I wouldn't be bullied, as I have been in almost every job I've worked in. All my problems with sugar addiction spring from this basic root.

So there are some facts I really didn't want to spill on this site but I don't think I have the energy anymore to pretend I'm something I'm not.

Of course, I understand that medical and scientific research unveils new facts daily. I've heard diet can play an important role in ADHD symptoms and bi-polar disorder. We know so little about the brain. I even have my own theories. At some point I would like to revert to the diets of my ancestors and see what the effects on my health will be. I have all sorts of ideas but unless I can get going in my life and get the enthusiasm engine started, none of it is going to be realised.

No, I need to be challenged. When someone is not using their courage, it turns into apathy. When they're not using their brain for what it was meant for, it turns into anxiety or depression. I believe it's because I'm not being challenged enough with regard to the battle of life that I'm stuck in this rut. I don't FEEL the need to survive because I've been sheltered all my life by overprotective parents, because of my unique social condition. There doesn't seem to be a need to go out and work when your bills are paid by someone else and you have a place to live in any circumstance. Some of my friends have really resented me for that and I can fully sympathise with them. It was not my decision to be born into this family, but neither is it going to be easy to strike out on my own. I have absolutely no clue how to get started and what to do. The only thing I've ever been good at is writing, hardly a money-making job. I would love to receive a benefit as you and some of my friends, also on meds, do. If our country can't provide the conditions that won't sink us into depression it should provide for the consequences, should it not?
 
Just continuing (because I hear you 44 about the word limit thing), today I tried to go without eating any sugar. By lunchtime I had a raging headache, as I did last time I cut out sugar. Last time it lasted for nearly a month. I couldn't tolerate the idea of raging migraines for a MONTH, especially working in this demanding job with phones ringing all day long, so on the way home I bought some chocolate bars and polished off 2. The headache flared up a bit and then subsided. I also had a cup of tea just before and my head feels fine now. But I really didn't feel well today at work and a colleague commented on my tired, headachy appearance. I felt heavy and slow and fatigued and fluey. My nose was stuffy too. If only I could stay home while this detox happens it would be great. But this is not a job that I feel I can bail on, even for a day, as I've been trained to basically be the hub of everything that goes on in the little office. The last chick was there for absolute ages and she'd worked her way up to being the most indispensable person there. I had no idea I was stepping into that when I signed on. I actually resent her for doing everyone else's job so that now they depend on me. I feel like I could almost run my own company, just with the experience I've gotten in the last 3 months! The worst thing is that no matter how much I learn, I'm always stuffing something up and pissing someone off and I get tight lips and curt attitudes all day long from the people I work with when I'm killing myself to be everything their last girl was. I just want to scream, "I'm doing awesomely you demanding f***wits!" When I was sick for a couple of days the place fell into chaos. That's why I feel loathe to take some time off even though I genuinely feel like I need it. Today I got a scare going up the stairs. I had pain in my chest and it sort of went into my left arm and I felt like I was going to faint. It made me wonder how much longer I can go on like this before they wheel me out of that place on a stretcher.

Anyway, I've ranted enough. I wish I had more time to exercise. A long, slow stroll in the fresh air with a buddy.... ah wishes wishes!!!

Is it worth it or should I just quit? Is this what life is meant to be? What am I working towards? Is this what I spent years of sleepless nights at university for? I can't say I'm enthused in the slightest. And I know heaps of people with Aspergers with degrees and qualifications coming out of their ears, in just the same situation, working menial and shitty jobs because socially they can't compete with 'normal' people in the workplace. Now tell me sugar addiction is the biggest problem in my life. :(
 
Sorry to drag this on 44, but I forgot to respond to your comment about the meds. I have nothing against them; they've helped my friends and they helped me, although I retained HEAPS of water. My periods came regular, my heart felt clearer, I was more sociable and I didn't get stressed driving. I also lost my taste for ALL junk food. BUT - and please don't laugh - my Nazi mother went through my drawers and found my pills. She told my father and threw such a fit about it that I had to throw out the pills in front of her just to keep the peace. I'm on a see-saw about the meds right now. On the one hand I want to regain my confidence. On the other, there came a time when my normal dose didn't help. I have heard of people who work up to 2-3 pills a day and then when life gets better they can't get their dosage down. I'm really worried about being hooked on something that I will need a doctor's prescription for, especially as I'm always changing doctors. I will have to keep thinking about it.

Thank you for your good advice and taking the time to listen. If only you lived in my suburb I could bail on my psych and come and talk to you! :sifone: (I'd pay you of course :coolgleamA: )
 
Thanks for sharing all of that shinsplints - what's your name?

You are a complicated specimen my dear and i am sure i do'nt know the answers. But there are some clues in what you've written that might be worth a closer look eg especially the way your mother reacted to finding your pills. That looks alarming. You are an adult. How can it be right for a mother to force you off something thats working for you.

I haven't the time right now to go through your post with a fine tooth comb.

But here's a few things that i thought:
Try to get a proper diagnosis from a psychiatrist not a psychologist. Tell your gp you want a diagnosis. I don't think they can do a really great job in only one session either so i would try to have a few more sessions. Go to a psychiatrist who does therapy.

I don't know enough about autism to comment on it but what i do know is that smart people can have personality disorders. Personality disorders often make it difficult for people to get along socially. The whole area is totally fraught though and you should tread carefully.

It sounds like you are doing well in your job and its a shame that people aren't seeing it. If that was me, i would have walked out by now. I wouldn't have been able to cope with all the flack. I get so stressed by people's bad reactions when i am trying really hard.

About your headaches, perhaps its not the lack of sugar that causing it but the lack of caffeine. If you eat a lot of chocolate, you might just have a caffeine addiction. Maybe this would be worth discussing with your GP. How to quit sugar and yet only gradually ease of the caffeine. Do you drink much coffee, perhaps you could drink more tea and coffee in lieu of chocolate. But at the same time, be very aware that you need more water.

Are you drinking more water when you diet? How much do you try to drink? You should drink 8 glasses of water a day not including tea or coffee. I know if you do drink tea and coffee this would be very annoying as you will always be running to the loo. Hence why it might be a good idea to discuss options with a gp.

About autism again, have you ever seen anyone about that condition to see if they would diagnose it? Don't autistics lack feelings or are less susceptible to feelings.

It seems to me that what you have said about antidepressants indicates that they make a positive difference to you. I only take one pill. What med did you try. I take Effexor and its great for me. Some antidepressants increase appetite such as prozac. Effexor doesn't . You need to make sure you get one that does not increase your appetite. Effexor is quite a strong med and many people do not feel good on it but except for constipation, i love it.

When i come back from my trip, maybe we can chat on the phone.

About writing, i disagree that you couldn't make a living from writing. You need to find a subject though and become an authority on it.

I wanted to write a book about my cycling journeys in india but i decided i wasn't a good enough writer to do the project justice. I probably didn't give myself enough of a chance but its important to believe in the possiblity of something to have a chance of achieving it.

I wrote a fair bit, and of course it would need massive editing. I understand the process of writing. Now i am just happy to cycle, keep a diary, take pictures and share the stories with friends and other interested parties in a less formal way.

I don't even keep a blog but that's because i get so frustrated trying to set a blog up that i can't do it. I need someone to do it for me so that all i have to do is write in it. I must be the stupidest person alive because even teenagers have no trouble doing it.

That's all i cna think of at the moment. Its breakfast time. :seeya:
 
There is not much in the way of medication that can help with ASD but meds work really well for ADHD, diagnosis is a tough process (I have 3 sons all are Autistic and 2 are ADHD) and not one I want to go through for myself but I think your doctor is right, getting a diagnosis will not help much as an adult because the support is just not really available for adults like it is for kids (It not even enough for kids but that's another issue)

the biggest problem I see is lack of family support but as 44 said we are a phone call away if you need to talk.
 
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