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I can go without food for 14 hours or so before my back starts hurting if and only if I overate before. But as you say: to each their own. I'm with Cate on trying the get keep joy in your restricted calories but think "cheat" meals can be fine if you take them to mean eating a reasonable portion of food you'd normally not have (like fried chicken or something) when out with friends. If it ends up in a binge that makes up for a week of restriction that's not helpful, of course.
 
Hey Jess, good to see you still posting.

On the fasting thing, I do believe IF works for some people, Flyer is a good example but he is not alone. For people who are successful I think it takes good planning and eating well when eating. If you follow Flyer's diary that is what he does. On the other hand I also believe it is not for everyone, I don't fast.

Keep working at things, I am sure you will find the best thing for Jess!
 
Cate said:
I personally am not a fan of cheat meals. I try to focus on healthy but also tasty & don't feel that I miss out at all.
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Yeah, I've been wondering how beneficial the idea is overall. It feels like essentially rewarding myself with food which is the kind of mindset I'm trying to break out of. I don't want food to be centered in my life anymore. It's working well now while I'm tweaking my lifestyle but I think it's something down the road I may nix... especially when I get to the point where I need to maintain my weight instead of losing it.
 
Another weigh in day and I'm 2lbs lighter this week an almost halfway to my under 200 goal. I honestly didn't expect much because as I said I was struggling a bit with my diet and due to the weather wasn't being very active so it's nice I still made progress. I switched my menu up and it seems to have helped get my motivation back. I hope everyone is doing well.
 
MercurialMiss said:
Yeah, I've been wondering how beneficial the idea is overall. It feels like essentially rewarding myself with food which is the kind of mindset I'm trying to break out of. I don't want food to be centered in my life anymore. It's working well now while I'm tweaking my lifestyle but I think it's something down the road I may nix... especially when I get to the point where I need to maintain my weight instead of losing it.
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I am finding for myself that if I really want a specific high calorie food, I look up ahead of time how many calories it is, measure it out, and plan the rest of my calories that day around it. Then I don't undue all my hard work, and I really savor the food I am craving.

Congratulations on the weight loss!!
 
Marsia said:
I am finding for myself that if I really want a specific high calorie food, I look up ahead of time how many calories it is, measure it out, and plan the rest of my calories that day around it. Then I don't undue all my hard work, and I really savor the food I am craving.
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I've done that as well and the funny thing is that I then often don't want it anymore. Some things I don't seem to enjoy for themselves, just for the "luxury", the reckless abundance, and the food coma that comes after.
 
MercurialMiss said:
Hi OLF, I appreciate the thought but every reputable thing I've read about fasting (even intermittent) seems to point to it doing more harm than good....
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if you have a chance, i'd like to hear about "every reputable thing" or frankly "any reputable thing" that has made you think fasting does any harm. there is an intermittent fasting club string where i try to present fact-based information. there is so much misinformation making the rounds these days, i realize it might be hard to believe anything you hear. i try to defeat "i heard it somewhere" opinions and it is usually simple if you do the research and don't merely trust the last person you heard.

you also have to be particularly vigilant with judging what even appears to be valid research by doctors. what on the surface might appear to be a comparative study can be flawed or biased and you will even find a few good examples of that recently posted there. simply from talking to my own GP, he has never expressed much interest in my own success he can plainly see.

the biggest opponents to any fasting diet are the mainstream diet conglomerates claiming their food or supplements will be the miracle you are looking for. fasting has a fatal flaw when it comes to being accepted by the billion dollar dieting industry... nobody can sell you anything since the basis of any fasting diet is simple caloric abstinence.
 
LaMaria said:
I've done that as well and the funny thing is that I then often don't want it anymore. Some things I don't seem to enjoy for themselves, just for the "luxury", the reckless abundance, and the food coma that comes after.
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Yeah, the more I think about it the more I come to the same conclusions. When I see how many calories are in it Vs knowing what the equivalent is in healthier options it looses some of it's appeal. What does Pru say on GBBS? "Is it worth the calories?" Not usually.
 
overlandflyer said:
if you have a chance, i'd like to hear about "every reputable thing" or frankly "any reputable thing" that has made you think fasting does any harm. there is an intermittent fasting club string where i try to present fact-based information. there is so much misinformation making the rounds these days, i realize it might be hard to believe anything you hear. i try to defeat "i heard it somewhere" opinions and it is usually simple if you do the research and don't merely trust the last person you heard.

you also have to be particularly vigilant with judging what even appears to be valid research by doctors. what on the surface might appear to be a comparative study can be flawed or biased and you will even find a few good examples of that recently posted there. simply from talking to my own GP, he has never expressed much interest in my own success he can plainly see.

the biggest opponents to any fasting diet are the mainstream diet conglomerates claiming their food or supplements will be the miracle you are looking for. fasting has a fatal flaw when it comes to being accepted by the billion dollar dieting industry... nobody can sell you anything since the basis of any fasting diet is simple caloric abstinence.
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I'm not here to debate with you. As I said before I'm glad you've found something that works for you an I appreciate your enthusiasm but it's not for me. I'm deeply skeptical of the diet industry as a whole an I'm careful to avoid junk science. I don't think weight loss is a one size fits all issue anyhow. It's as different and multifaceted as people's bodies & minds are.
 
It's that time of the week again: WEIGH IN DAY! I'm now at 256 (so that's another 2lbs loss). I'm happy with it especially considering I've been going a bit over my 1,200 calorie daily intake. I'm trying to not beat myself up over it given the house is littered with well meaning family & friends gifts of baked goods for the holidays. The nice thing is I've been able to limit myself to 1 or 2 cookies whereas before I'd just eat all of them in a wild binge. The nice thing about it is I can really enjoy them and after I don't feel sick and guilty.

I've also noticed something (an y'all can tell me if you have as well) my taste-buds are changing. Where before it was about getting something salty or sweet then filling myself up to the point of uncomfortableness now I'm actually tasting things and it's lead to some interesting discoveries. Like the other day a cousin who makes cookies for local bakeries sent me a holiday gift set (beautifully holiday decorated sugar cookies with royal icing) and after 2 bites I had to throw the rest away. It just tasted like sugar on sugar to me. It's odd because I would've sworn up & down I loved those cookies an I'm not a big sweets person but now it's just not worth the calories for something so one note.

I've also decided if I don't lose any weight in the next 2 weeks I'm not going to worry about it. With Christmas & New Year I know I'll be eating more than my share of calories so my goal is just to maintain. I'll still be watching myself in-between an maybe I'll still lose a pound or two BUT thankfully there aren't any holidays for me in Jan so I can get back to serious work and my house will be purged of temptation.

Anyway Happy Holidays to you all! I know this year has been more stressful than most for a host of reasons but I'm glad I found my way here for the support and for all the good work I see everyone doing on themselves.
 
MercurialMiss said:
The nice thing about it is I can really enjoy them and after I don't feel sick and guilty.
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That is SUCH a big win!
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It's odd because I would've sworn up & down I loved those cookies an I'm not a big sweets person but now it's just not worth the calories for something so one note.
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Definitely something I recognize. Ripe fruit has so much complexity of flavor compared to chocolate it's insane.

Enjoy the holidays!
 
Oh, well done on changing your taste buds. I honestly shudder when I see what some people eat & I enjoy fruit much more than any sickly sweet. Your plan for Christmas is a good one. Enjoy it, eat well & then the minute it's over you're back on the bus :)
Well done also, Jess on the 2 lbs lost
 
MercurialMiss said:
I've also noticed something (an y'all can tell me if you have as well) my taste-buds are changing. Where before it was about getting something salty or sweet then filling myself up to the point of uncomfortableness now I'm actually tasting things and it's lead to some interesting discoveries. Like the other day a cousin who makes cookies for local bakeries sent me a holiday gift set (beautifully holiday decorated sugar cookies with royal icing) and after 2 bites I had to throw the rest away. It just tasted like sugar on sugar to me. It's odd because I would've sworn up & down I loved those cookies an I'm not a big sweets person but now it's just not worth the calories for something so one note.
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I definitely noticed that too. I really enjoy fruits now whereas before they always seemed so bland. I still stay away from sweets although I did sample a brownie on thanksgiving - something I would have loved before - and it just tasted off.
 
I decided not to weigh myself for 2 weeks because as I said I'm not focusing on weight loss rn so much as enjoying the holidays an I don't wanna get down on myself. I've definitely over eaten but not to an unhealthy (binging) degree. Just normal over indulgence of rich holiday fare BUT I'm actually looking forward to getting back to the program. Not so much because watching/measuring everything I eat is fun (it's not) but because I miss the progress.

I have always struggled with self-esteem & confidence (don't get me wrong I'm good at faking it) and losing this weight has been something I can be proud of. It's something hard that I'm doing for myself an as I'm sure all of you who share that struggle know doing something for yourself (essentially saying I'm worthy of good things) when you don't feel good about yourself is a mountain to climb all on it's own. I hope everyone is having a wonderful & safe holiday. I'll talk to you in the New Year.
 
Being able to enjoy treat foods in moderation and without feeling guilty is BIG. Great work!
 
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