Journey, Not A Destination

If I asked you really nicely -would you make that it's own thread please? in the newcomers section - like a Please Read me :)

I'd volunteer to be your best friend but you've got enough friends..
 
Hi Steve,
You're posts are great - and full of good, solid info. I just wanted to comment on the emotional aspect of new people joining the forum...

However, with the onset of new activity, I have noticed that everyone is looking for that "one routine" that leads to success.

You just want to be handed a sheet that tells you exactly when and what to eat and when and how to train.

I think it's REALLY important to remember that many of the people who join the forum have not been in and around healthy, fit lifestyles.

They don't necessarily know where to start - what a "routine" looks like. I hated the idea of calorie counting when I first started - absolutely hated it.

It's hard enough being obese, knowing you need to do something about it but having no friggin clue where to start.

There is so much information out there that is wrong, conflicting, rooted in long term mythology that it's no wonder people who haven't made diet, nutrition and fitness their life have no starting point.

It is easier to be told X,Y, or Z in the beginning - that's why so many people try following specific "diets" they want hand holding - unfortunately, those diets don't work and they're left feeling defeated.

I truly believe the mind set of someone who has been severely overweight for a long time can't be over looked or under simplified.

Many people join this forum and see 140 pound women talking about how fat they are. That is emotionally hard to take when you're 250 and don't know what to do to start.

So while it can be really frustrating hearing the same issues come up over and over, I think starting points and mentalities for many obese people are going to be very similar.
 
Hi Steve,
You're posts are great - and full of good, solid info. I just wanted to comment on the emotional aspect of new people joining the forum...





I think it's REALLY important to remember that many of the people who join the forum have not been in and around healthy, fit lifestyles.

They don't necessarily know where to start - what a "routine" looks like. I hated the idea of calorie counting when I first started - absolutely hated it.

It's hard enough being obese, knowing you need to do something about it but having no friggin clue where to start.

There is so much information out there that is wrong, conflicting, rooted in long term mythology that it's no wonder people who haven't made diet, nutrition and fitness their life have no starting point.

It is easier to be told X,Y, or Z in the beginning - that's why so many people try following specific "diets" they want hand holding - unfortunately, those diets don't work and they're left feeling defeated.

I truly believe the mind set of someone who has been severely overweight for a long time can't be over looked or under simplified.

Many people join this forum and see 140 pound women talking about how fat they are. That is emotionally hard to take when you're 250 and don't know what to do to start.

So while it can be really frustrating hearing the same issues come up over and over, I think starting points and mentalities for many obese people are going to be very similar.


I completely agree with you. Before I came to this forum, believe it or not, I actually ran my own website that specifically catered to the obese population. 250 lbs was small in this specific group of people. Obviously, more time was spent on the mind than the physical approach to exercise. So, I am aware. But at the same time, I think putting things bluntly is a necessary evil. I think there are numerous, valid strategies for educating and helping people and it is very dependent on the individual. That is why you will see me use "shock treatment" at times on here with some or in general.... other times you will see me hand hold.

I have no problem hand holding. However, if it gets to the point where one refuses to accept fact even while being hand held, I have to say adios. A learning curve is one thing. Ignorance is another.
 
I completely agree with you. Before I came to this forum, believe it or not, I actually ran my own website that specifically catered to the obese population. 250 lbs was small in this specific group of people. Obviously, more time was spent on the mind than the physical approach to exercise. So, I am aware. But at the same time, I think putting things bluntly is a necessary evil. I think there are numerous, valid strategies for educating and helping people and it is very dependent on the individual. That is why you will see me use "shock treatment" at times on here with some or in general.... other times you will see me hand hold.

I have no problem hand holding. However, if it gets to the point where one refuses to accept fact even while being hand held, I have to say adios. A learning curve is one thing. Ignorance is another.


You can hold my hand steve ;) LoL, Just wanted to say Good Morning :)
 
A learning curve is one thing. Ignorance is another.

I agree - but the learning curve is a slow process sometimes. I lost 1 pound a week for 19 weeks before I ever joined this forum and another two weeks before I could stomach the concept of counting calories.

Some of us aren't so much idiots, just stubborn ;)

Now, don't get me wrong, there are sometimes where someone will drive me bonkers - but over all, I think remembering the mindset of over weight people is important.

It is just not the same as training someone who is relatively close to their target point.

It's a long, long road and often times coming from complete ignorance or falacy stand points.
 
I agree - but the learning curve is a slow process sometimes. I lost 1 pound a week for 19 weeks before I ever joined this forum and another two weeks before I could stomach the concept of counting calories.

Some of us aren't so much idiots, just stubborn ;)

Now, don't get me wrong, there are sometimes where someone will drive me bonkers - but over all, I think remembering the mindset of over weight people is important.

It is just not the same as training someone who is relatively close to their target point.

It's a long, long road and often times coming from complete ignorance or falacy stand points.

Ahhh, now you are comparing apples to oranges. Obviously someone who has tried everything under the sun and still gained weight is going to have a huge learning curve. Worse yet, someone who has never cared enough to even try dieting is going to have an enormous learning curve. And obviously, they are going to need more guidance than their more experienced counterparts. I never said or implied otherwise. ;)

(Not that this is what you are implying, of course)

More often than not, I will take the time to educate these people, the best that I know how.

I am talking about ignorance though, in my above post. This is something completely different. There are plenty of people, even some residents here, whom, even after being handed the scientific facts on a golden platter repeatedly, still refuse to accept what is what. That is ignorance. I have no tolerance for this.

Sure, they don't know the difference between scientifically backed, sound advice and the last diet that they tried and failed miserably. But this comes down to that "personal greatness" thing I talked about in a post a few days ago.

We can go down the path of, "Oh, but they have suffered so long due to their weight that it takes a long time for them to catch on."

Certainly, there can be psychological issues at play here. However, that is not something for a trainer, or anyone else here on this forum to "fix."

If you are psychologically stable, helping yourself is a necessity. People in general are lazy. Not just with exercise. It is human nature. If you want mediocrity, this is fine. If you want to go above and beyond mediocrity (and this can be personal mediocrity, not a comparative measure to others) it takes persistence and consistent effort, even if you failed a dozen times in the past.

Personal greatness is determined by how you handle yourself when you are knocked down.

I am not a fan of "limited thinking." Demand more from yourself. Failed on 25 diets previously? Don't let that destroy your effort from trying something new. ESPECIALLY when the facts are laid out how they are here, on this forum. I would hope you wouldn't compare my advice and how I "package" it to some gimmicky diet that is being marketed today. You have to admit, people like me don't only offer advice. We educate too.

My point is, even if after you are educated, even if this education process took longer for you than the average, if you still fail to accept what is what, than my only conclusion is the plague of ignorance and I will most likely stop offering help.

I am being harsh. I know. But hopefully my point is clear. And I have been around long enough that you know that I handle each case differently and more often than not, appropriately.
 
Harsh is good sometimes ;) Personally I'd rather have someone lay it out like it is, than try to protect me. I think you do a great job of dispensing advice and knowledge to all of us and are a great resource here.

Thanks for all you do Steve ;)
 
That post above was a real keeper, Steve. I've added it to the "Words of Wisdom" thread.

What you said about gurus -- it reminds me of the the old Buddhist saying, "If you see the Buddha, run!"
 
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