Journey, Not A Destination

I dunno, I think some people just have a strong connection, and sometimes we are able to touch people with our words. Sometimes we say things at the right time, and sometimes we feel driven to say something in particular, with just a feeling that it is the right thing to say for some reason.
I have that with you Lena, and with Steve, so maybe we are all connected to some extent.
 
Britta Bear said:
I dunno, I think some people just have a strong connection, and sometimes we are able to touch people with our words. Sometimes we say things at the right time, and sometimes we feel driven to say something in particular, with just a feeling that it is the right thing to say for some reason.
I have that with you Lena, and with Steve, so maybe we are all connected to some extent.
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I think I could deal with this :)
 
Well Steve based on your thread over at WF I picked up Awaken the Giant today. Will let you know my thoughts in a few days or so.

I am glad that thread came to life after 8 months of inactivity.
 
Here's an interesting thought for you: You need a caloric deficit to lose fat and a caloric surplus to gain muscle, right? Therefore it's impossible to do both at the same time, right?

Well, one study put the participants on an 800 calorie per day liquid diet for 90 days. The average weight loss was 35 pounds. Yet all subjects increased the cross sectional area of their muscle fibers significantly. It appears that weight training can produce hypertrophy in skeletal muscle (and therefore increases in metabolism) during severe energy restriction and large-scale weight loss.
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From the latest article in T-Nation, "Conference in Little Rock". Id be interested in your comments.
 
Welcome to June!!!

counting down the hours to your bachelor party yet?

Hope you have yourself a delightul day :)

Todays random holiday is National Dare Day :) OOOH I dare you to... :D hmmm what shall I dare you to do... :D

let me ponder this.. :D
 
TomO said:
From the latest article in T-Nation, "Conference in Little Rock". Id be interested in your comments.
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I'll have to see if I can dig up the study. However, the real world really doesn't indicate this. I've trained enough people to know it doesn't happen often. And when it does happen, AND IT DOES OCCASSIONALLY FOR UNTRAINED PEOPLE, it doesn't last long. I'd think this is what's going on here.

Take someone like me who has been training seriously for an appreciable length of time, or even yourself Tom, and I doubt you are going to see much, if any, hypertrophy. I mean, your workouts, if in a caloric surplus, would certainly produce hypertrophy. Are you seeing measurements increase?

Here is Lyle McDonald's thoughts on the subject, whom I respect a lot:

Gaining muscle while losing fat: The Newbie effect

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Ok, since this seems to come up with some regularity, here are my thoughts on it. I had made a post to mfw a long time bck but it's faster to just retype it here than try to dig through google groups.

The basic question that continues to come up is "How come newbies can gain muscle and lose fat but more advanced guys can't."

First and foremost, I want to point out that only fat newbies can accomplish this, lean guys are not going to lean out significantly while gaining muscle. And I think this points us partly in the right direction.

Way back when, when I first got on the track of leptin (oh, about 98 I think), a lot of what leptin was doing (and note that leptin is related to bodyfat levels) seemed to explain at least part of this. Leptin turned out to be the big missing middle puzzle piece that I"d been looking for for about 10 years.

So consider a fat untrained individual. Because of all of the bodyfat they are carrying, there are a bunch of adapations that have occurred which, given the right stimulus, is going to make them *more effectively* mobilize fat for fuel. I know I"ve discussed this before but now expect a zillion and one questions.

But when you look at that actual adaptations in terms of whole body (especially fat cell) insulin resistance, it's clear that they occur in an attempt to limit further fat gain/help with fat loss once the excess calories are removed. The fat cells are resistant to insulin (meaning insulin can't be anti-lipolytic) leptin would be limiting food intake if the brain weren't resistant, leptin is trying to push fatty acid oxidation (except that muscle is alos resistant), there are tons of fatty acids n the bloodstream just waiting to be burned, &c. So even in the face of high insulin or whatever, fatty acids can be mobilize for fuel.

Read that last sentence again, especially given the role of insulin in muscle growth.

So I think that's the first part of the story. The body is primed to use a lot of fat for fuel under those conditions. Going back to 98, this is actually what led me to leptin, trying to figure out why fatter people can lose fat with less LBM loss compared to lean. So I started looking at the differences physiologically in fat people vs. lean people. And kept coming back to leptin (which I'd been deliberately ignoring for years). Which turns out to be part (but certainly not the entire picture). But I digress.

But it's not the whole story. The other part of it and at this point I get way off into speculation land I think has to do with being relatively more untrained. Everybody knows that beginners respond better to training than anybody else. Primarily because they are so far from their genetic potential. They have more 'room to grow' to put it one way. This is true of everything, first year of any training is when you will make the most massive gains, unless you're training is retarded. And as you get closer to your genetic limits, things start to level off and you reach an asymptote.

And I think that the two factors together are what allow it to happen.

You're in a situation where
a. muscle can be gained quite easily
b. fat can be lost quite easily

Because both are so far below (in the case of muscle) or above (in the case of fat) genetic limits. That's on top of all the hormonal/energetic stuff going on when you're fat. The body is trying to push fatty acids away from storage and towards fat oxidation, even in the face of a relatively anabolic hormonal state.

But a fat but trained individual doesn't have both factors going no. They may have plenty of fat to lose but they don't have a ton of muscle to gain. No newbie effect.

A semi-lean but muscular individual has to drop insulin to mobilize/burn fat for fuel at any effective rate. Which limits their anabolic potential (and this is ignoring all of the stuff going on in the muscle with AMPk and protien synthesis and all that crap). They can lose fat but they can't gain muscle at the same time.

And, in a muscle gaining mode, you're in a net anabolic state anyhow. You can't lose fat and gain muscle at the same time for the most part.

Now quit asking me about this.
 
maleficent said:
Welcome to June!!!

counting down the hours to your bachelor party yet?

Hope you have yourself a delightul day :)

Todays random holiday is National Dare Day :) OOOH I dare you to... :D hmmm what shall I dare you to do... :D

let me ponder this.. :D
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I am NOT playing truth or dare.

And I am very excited for my bachelor party. The only think I am not excited for is the first day of it, Friday. We are golfing that day. I've never golfed. Combine no experience with a sport that requires a ton of it to be even half good, and you have frustration. But it's ok. As soon as that's over, the fun begins.

I have a good friend's wedding tomorrow, which will be a blast.

Training a family tonight in their home gym, which also will be fun.
 
If you're playing with people who aren't uber serious golfers then it's just a lot of fun... I'd imagine you're going to have a tough time getting a decent swing with your arms and chest... but it's fun chasing the little white ball around :) You don't have to be good for it to be enjoyable :D

and I didn't say truth or dare -- just dare :)
 
maleficent said:
I'd imagine you're going to have a tough time getting a decent swing with your arms and chest.
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I doubt this. I am an athlete before I am a bodybuilder. In fact, I don't call myself a BBer. I call myself an athlete. I maintain better than average flexibility and mobility. It's one of the core components of my program, always.

You'd be surprise.

Surprised at how agile and mobile I am. And surprise by how NOT overly large I am if you met me in real life. The pics make me look big. I am just a regular looking guy when I have a shirt on.

I ran track in highschool. Was actually offered a scholarship for it. Sprinter mind you. I haven't been timed since then, but I think I am a few steps faster now.
 
Howdy Steve,
Golfing sounds like alot of fun but something I
would't have the patience for lol.I tried my swinging at the driving
range and geeesh I may have made contact a few times not a pretty
sight.Enjoy your friends wedding I love other peoples wedding but planning
our wedding was a big STESSFUL event lol.Have a gr8 weekend Tammy
 
Hey Steve.. Good Morning! First of all, that was a good read from Lyle McDonald's. Very interesting and informative.. thanks for posting that! :)

What is the deal with "Awaken the Giant". Is that a book? Do tell..

And finally golf! This is a sport I call a "Sport you love to hate"! And, that's exactly what it is. For me, I can drive the ball around 200-250 yards but my short game is for shit! I can't chip, I can't put to save my life.. so, my key pointer to you to make your day go by with less frustration.. keep the beer cart near by.. she will come in handy!!! LMAO :rotflmao:

Have a great day Bro!! :D
 
niapage said:
Howdy Steve,
Golfing sounds like alot of fun but something I
would't have the patience for lol.I tried my swinging at the driving
range and geeesh I may have made contact a few times not a pretty
sight.Enjoy your friends wedding I love other peoples wedding but planning
our wedding was a big STESSFUL event lol.Have a gr8 weekend Tammy
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Thanks Tammy, I plan on it.

And my wedding planning hasn't been stressful, simply b/c fiancé handles EVERYTHING! Thank the Lord.
 
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