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LowFatMilk said:
I disagree with just eating the egg whites, because while they have less calories, they have less overall nutrition. The egg yolks aren't bad for you. If that's your preference, fine, but I disagree with it.
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care to elaborate? The white contains the majority of an eggs protein and is also only around 17 calories per white, and around 3.6g of protein. Egg whites are for the most part protein.

I eat around 4-5 whites a day and around half a yolk
 
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alphasaur! said:
care to elaborate? The white contains the majority of an eggs protein and is also only around 17 calories per white, and around 3.6g of protein. Egg whites are for the most part protein.

I eat around 4-5 whites a day and around half a yolk
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Eating the egg whites and egg yolk together provide more nutrition than just eating the egg whites alone. That's what I was trying to say. The yolk has protein too, and other nutrients to contribute, some nutrients that the whites hardly have. For me, it's not just about protein.

Of course regardless, it is still a matter of preference.
 
busy91 said:
I don't know Solarin, I disagree, but that's OK.
I don't think eating meat is healthy at all, especially if you are eating regular store bought meat. If one eats organic meat, then I think it is a better choice. Eating 'regular' meat cannot be healthy with all the things they do to those animals. Antibiotics, feeding them ground up portions of their own species. YUCK. Of course organic meat is pricey.

Vegetarians and Omnivores will never agree. I'm healthy and happy with my choice. I'm not force feeding anyone, anything. Everyone is in charge of their own life and body.

Most people that have been here for the past few months know I'm a vegasour, so if they have questions, they can always pm me.
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I work in the animal agriculture industry. It was not a trade I was born into being that I am from NYC with no previous knowledge of agriculture. That said I am going to let you all in on a little secret about "organic" meat. This literally means that a producer can take less care of their animals. Animals become sick more often and never receive medical care in the pursuit of the organic label. Many are forced to live outside with no thermal regulated houses in pursuit of the organic label. Many are lost to predators in pursuit of the organic label. Producers who grow organic meat don't give a rat's behind as to the imaginary health benefit in consuming it. It costs more money to have organic meat because they experience higher death loss. It's simple economics.

There is much media hype concerning these evil chemicals that meat is claimed to have (cue spooky music.) First, let's discuss antibiotics. EVERY single animal that EVER enters the human food chain MUST have had a very documented period of withdrawl diet. This allows them to work it through their system. Likewise, all drugs that can be administered to livestock are highly monitored by the FDA and USDA. There are two very simple reasons why animals are given antibiotics: overall health and acute disease. Overall health refers to animals being fed sub-theraputic levels of certain antibiotics to improve growth and performance. With this approach fewer animals contract disease. Acute disease is pretty self-explanatory. As it stands today, many producers are switching to super doses of copper rather than antibiotics because it is cheaper. Copper in very high amounts to lethal to microbes.

I've heard Oprah carry on about this over and over; grinding up animals to feed to themselves. It just doesn't occur in the way many people think it does. This is a classic case of a sensational practice that is now used as the poster child of evil animal agriculture. Sure, some animal by-products like feathers, blood, and the like are rendered to be used as animal feed for pigs and chickens. Otherwise they would just go to waste. Most of their diets are corn/soybean meal. That's a simple fact. Cows are ruminants and don't require the ingestion of animal products to thrive so any practice your quote me of it is very very fringe. Cows usually receive forage/silage/corn/cotton seeds/DDGS and the like.

I'm not interested in converting you back to meat eating. Like I said I don't care either way what a person chooses to eat and not to eat. However, as I said before, I do care when outright falsehoods are used to try to convince other people. I don't think you are trying to deceive people on purpose. You really are dedicated to a healthy lifestyle. You've chosen vegetarianism. However, it is my belief that you have some ill conceived notions of how animals are really raised in this country as well as meat consumption. Eating meat is healthy and entirely natural for a human. If humans were not supposed to consume animal products then explain why we have a nutritional requirement for vitamin B12 which is only found in animal products.
 
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I'm asking why aren't they so wonderful? I'll entertain the possibility that organically grown food is better, but I'm sure regular fruits and vegetables are still fine.
 
siromar said:
I'm asking why aren't they so wonderful? I'll entertain the possibility that organically grown food is better, but I'm sure regular fruits and vegetables are still fine.
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It was actually a rather sarcastic remark, well not quite sarcastic, as much as just in response to her remark about meat that isn't organic. Don't worry about it dear. Would smart-ass count?

I would eat organically though myself if I could afford it. Just for my own psychological satisfaction --thinking that I'm going the extra mile to get thin, regardless of what it's actually doing.

And because they eat organically on a Jon and Kate +8 :)
 
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Solarin said:
I'm not interested in converting you back to meat eating. Like I said I don't care either way what a person chooses to eat and not to eat. However, as I said before, I do care when outright falsehoods are used to try to convince other people. I don't think you are trying to deceive people on purpose. You really are dedicated to a healthy lifestyle. You've chosen vegetarianism. However, it is my belief that you have some ill conceived notions of how animals are really raised in this country as well as meat consumption. Eating meat is healthy and entirely natural for a human. If humans were not supposed to consume animal products then explain why we have a nutritional requirement for vitamin B12 which is only found in animal products.
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I'm not ignoring the rest of the stuff you wrote, I just want to concentrate on this. I am sorry if I gave the impression of 'converting'. I don't think by me saying that I am healthy is trying to convert anyone. I'm just letting people know that being a vegetarian isn't unhealthy either. I don't see how that is converting. If a meat eater said they were healthy eating beef or chicken, no one would blink an eye. Would they?

And there are other forms of B12 (Nutritional yeast). But I really don't care to argue about this. Eat a whole cow if you wish, enjoy.
 
LowFatMilk said:
Well to be fair, fruits and vegetables that are prepackaged, or that aren't organic probably aren't all that wonderful either.

I'll deal with it in both cases.
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Yeah I know, the pesticides are out of control to. We can't win either way actually.:banghead:
 
busy91 said:
I'm not ignoring the rest of the stuff you wrote, I just want to concentrate on this. I am sorry if I gave the impression of 'converting'. I don't think by me saying that I am healthy is trying to convert anyone. I'm just letting people know that being a vegetarian isn't unhealthy either. I don't see how that is converting. If a meat eater said they were healthy eating beef or chicken, no one would blink an eye. Would they?

And there are other forms of B12 (Nutritional yeast). But I really don't care to argue about this. Eat a whole cow if you wish, enjoy.
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With all due respect, I'm quite certain he wasn't trying to argue.
 
It is the old vegetarian/omnivore argument. "Humans are supposed to eat Meat...B12". I've heard it before. It is an argument, that is what I mean by arguing, not in the sense of fighting. Omnivores think there are no other forms of whatever meat has, it is not true. He may be educated on the meat aspect, OK, I'll give him that, but as a vegetarian, I know what I need to eat to keep healthy. If someone wanted to go vegetarian and read that, they'd be scared away from trying it because they feel they may get ill.
 
Interesting.... you're "I'm not trying to argue" comment threw me for a loop with regards to your meaning of the word argue.

Anyhow, I really don't think he was trying to scare anyone off from vegetarianism. He was just making sure the facts were straight. He explicitly said he doesn't care what you eat... he was simply maintaining the integrity of information from my point of view, which is respectable.

I'm not trying to start anything here.... at all, actually. I'm just calling it as I see it, for whatever it's worth, or not worth.

:)

Mind you, he never said being a vegetarian is unhealthy. But you did say you believe eating meat is "not healthy at all."
 
Well, biologically speaking, human did evolve with meat eating in mind. However, in our current day and age, one can choose to be a vegetarian and still get all of needed nutrition. It is a matter of personal choice.
 
I see Steve, It's cool, you know I'm easy.
I'm just in pain and am cranky as hell. My shoulder hurts (operation in the wings)
 
Steve said:
:)

Mind you, he never said being a vegetarian is unhealthy. But you did say you believe eating meat is "not healthy at all."
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No, no...store bought meat as opposed to organic meat. My children eat organic meat. But if his facts are true, then they are true, I learned something today.
 
I respect that, and really, I'm not trying to take sides. It was an interesting discussion.
 
It's interesting to hear from someone right in the industry how cattle farming works with relation to the whole organic concept that is so fashionable these days.
 
I don't want anyone to think I abhor vegetarianism. There really is nothing to hate. "Deary me someone doesn't eat meat! Sound the alarm!" <sarcasm> The reason I brought up the "old" B12 statement in direct response to

I don't think eating meat is healthy at all...
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Old argument or not it is a very valid point and one which I have yet to see a true response too. I took this blurb from the vegetarian society's website.

Dietary Sources

The only reliable unfortified sources of vitamin B12 are meat, dairy products and eggs. There has been considerable research into possible plant food sources of B12. Fermented soya products, seaweeds and algae have all been proposed as possible sources of B12. However, analysis of fermented soya products, including tempeh, miso, shoyu and tamari, found no significant B12.

Spirulina, an algae available as a dietary supplement in tablet form, and nori, a seaweed, have both appeared to contain significant amounts of B12 after analysis. However, it is thought that this is due to the presence of compounds structurally similar to B12, known as B12 analogues. These cannot be utilised to satisfy dietary needs. Assay methods used to detect B12 are unable to differentiate between B12 and it's analogues, Analysis of possible B12 sources may give false positive results due to the presence of these analogues.

Researchers have suggested that supposed B12 supplements such as spirulina may in fact increase the risk of B12 deficiency disease, as the B12 analogues can compete with B12 and inhibit metabolism.

The current nutritional consensus is that no plant foods can be relied on as a safe source of vitamin B12.

Bacteria present in the large intestine are able to synthesise B12. In the past, it has been thought that the B12 produced by these colonic bacteria could be absorbed and utilised by humans. However, the bacteria produce B12 too far down the intestine for absorption to occur, B12 not being absorbed through the colon lining.

Human faeces can contain significant B12. A study has shown that a group of Iranian vegans obtained adequate B12 from unwashed vegetables which had been fertilised with human manure. Faecal contamination of vegetables and other plant foods can make a significant contribution to dietary needs, particularly in areas where hygiene standards may be low. This may be responsible for the lack of aneamia due to B12 deficiency in vegan communities in developing countries.

Good sources of vitamin B12 for vegetarians are dairy products or free-range eggs. ½ pint of milk (full fat or semi skimmed) contains 1.2 µg. A slice of vegetarian cheddar cheese (40g) contains 0.5 µg. A boiled egg contains 0.7 µg. Fermentation in the manufacture of yoghurt destroys much of the B12 present. Boiling milk can also destroy much of the B12.

Vegans are recommended to ensure their diet includes foods fortified with vitamin B12. A range of B12 fortified foods are available. These include yeast extracts, Vecon vegetable stock, veggieburger mixes, textured vegetable protein, soya milks, vegetable and sunflower margarines, and breakfast cereals.
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If you take a stance against health enhancing antibiotics it seems impossible to approve of artificially fortified foods. However, as I said, it isn't vegetarianism I am arguing, but rather this magical fairy tale land of organic where animals and humans live in natural bliss of ironic meat consumption.

I could go on an on at the cost of people's patience. Believe it or not I don't like to preach. I knew the disconnect between producer and consumer was large, but I never knew it was to that extent. :ack2: I'll answer any questions you have truthfully and never sugar coat anything. However, as far as vegetarians, vegans, and the like, it is silly to expel effort to prove them "wrong." They've made a choice. A few less people eating meat doesn't really affect my day one whit.
 
That's great that you found something that works for you :)

I was actually my fattest when I was a vegetarian because while I still ate a lot of fruits and vegetables, I loaded up on pasta and bread and cheese and junk food. Just because it's vegetarian doesn't mean it's healthy and it certainly doesn't mean it will help you lose weight. That being said, I think people should become vegetarians for reasons other than weight loss. You can easily lose weight while still including lean meats in your diet.
 
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