Getting Ready for Summer - No carb

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Scooter10

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I'm 21, a former high school wrestler, now hopelessly out of shape and incapable of running a mile without a break. Thank you laziness, job that requires nothing but seated work, and apathy towards my image. Thanks a ton.

All that's behind, though. I'm kicking it into gear, and it's starting now. I was approx. 280 lbs. at 6' in April of '09. Since then I've cut down to approx. 230 lbs. using a no carb diet and no exercise, but I let it go for all of November through December and gained the loose weight back. I'm now approx. 245 lbs. starting 2010.

Here's my plan. I'm signed up at a 24hour gym. I'll be following this routine:


It's going to wipe me out for a while, and I doubt I'll be able to actually finish the desired reps even with minimal resistance, but I'm going to stick it through. Cardio on the elliptical before and after each workout, abs every day.

My diet plan is as follows: Less than 10g of carbs per day. Break day is Sunday. Anything containing 0 carbs is on the diet in infinite supply.

This is pretty much how I lost all my weight in '09, and I'm going to follow the super high protein and minimal carb approach again, but supplement it with the weight training and cardio.

This may seem excessive, or even counter-productive. I'm not concerned. I have good genes, my body has been active and in great physical condition in the past, and I have the discipline to stick to the no-carb plan. My weight is a little misleading, as I have a very broad and thick build naturally, but at 180lbs. in high school I was slim and trim. I'm looking to cut down to approx. 200 lbs. in the next few months, possibly lower or higher depending on how my physique shapes up.

There will be plenty of days where I'll eat only meats. Most likely some where I'll eat only sliced turkey and mustard. I try to fit veggies in, but when you're cutting the carbs down so low there are scarce options. At the moment I just finished eating leftover steak tips and a large serving of broccoli and cheese with Tony's. This will be a typical 'good' meal for me. On the run I pick up plain double cheeseburgers from Burger King for a buck, drop the bread and I've got 2 meat patties with cheese. Great snacks.

I'm making an effort to cut out carbonated and caffeinated drinks and optimize water intake, but I'm not making any strong efforts to drop Diet Coke and Diet Dr. Pepper from my diet. They're just too damned good. The gym will probably help me kick those habits more than anything.

Anyways, I don't really know why I'm posting this here. I need a place to keep my progress, and this website seemed as good as any. I'll update as my weight and physique change.
 
What's embarassing is that it's taken me years (4) to figure out I'm fat. Not chubby, because why give myself the excuse. I'm a big guy, with quite a bit of muscle and a large, wide frame, so with my shirt on I just look like any other ex-football player. But I'm fat. No doubt about it. I'm hoping I can go down to about 200lbs.

On to supplements, and hopefully I get a couple answers so I don't need to post anywhere else.

I'm looking at supplements, and MRI Black Powder and 100% Whey Protein are what I'm currently interested in.

I took both of these when I was in wrestling, and the Black Powder particularly reacted well with my body and got me motivated to hit the gym or practice with intensity. I'm sure most of that was a placebo effect of being in good physical shape, so I'm not expecting miracles.

My concern is carbs in both of these supplements. Black Powder has 11g per scoop, and while Whey is negligible at 2-4g per serving I'm going to be taking it often. My daily carb intake is supposed to be under 10g if I'm going to follow in my own shoes. The Black Powder alone will exceed this cieling, and I'm wondering if I should cut it out entirely, if there may be a low-carb alternative, or if I can actually disregard it entirely.

Second concern is about overall health. I eat cheese with most meats, season everything well, and honestly don't get my share of veggies on this diet. That's always been okay for me, and honeslty once I hit ketosis(sp?) I feel fantastic. I've heard mixed opinions on how no-carb affects individuals, but I definitely love its effect on me. I feel energized, lean, and ready pretty much all day. I may or may not be starting to feel it, it can be difficult to tell, but it's been one day so I doubt it. Either way, I feel a 'constant' hunger, but it dissolves into something less than hunger for most of the day. Immediately after eating I feel full for up to a couple hours, but inevitably I'm hungry again.

This is all okay, right? I'm taking a multi-vitamin, and at 21 I probably won't care even if you tell me it's not, but I figure I owe it to myself to ask.

Day 2, feeling good.
 
Day 2 drawing to a close. Hit the gym for the first time tonight, went to failure using low weights doing 8/8 sets/reps. Did Friday (chest) workout, 25 minutes on the elliptical(sp?). Felt good, definitely tired, can't do 1 pushup without failure post-workout.
 
Day 3 I did a relatively low-intensity arm workout (8 sets of 8 for Preacher curls/seated dumbbell extension), and took 2 doses of EC (one of ECA). Ate 1 Slimjim on the run, 4 Burger King patties with cheese, and that's it. Must be the appetite suppressant, but I definitely wasn't starving myself. Didn't even realize how little I ate until I typed it.

Day 4 is just starting, and it's looking like a total offday at the gym(apart from EC and diet). If living in a fat body is like being in a prison, then living in a sore body is like being in a torture chamber.

I feel productive, though, and that's what matters. First weigh-in is this afternoon to get an 'official' starting weight. Interested to see if these 3 days yield results as well, since this is the first time I've combined working out, no carb, and EC stacking.
 
Weighed in on an empty stomach at 237, Day 4. Estimated starting weight was 250-255, definitely over 245, so the progress is encouraging even if it is only water weight. I got results last year doing ONLY no carb, so I'm not shocked, but that was definitely a lower weight than I expected.
 
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Day 6, skipped the gym Monday and Tuesday to let the joint soreness from the initial gym shock go away. Hit it again today at Shoulders, Presses, raises, flies, and shrugs with 15min of cardio before and after lifting.

Weighed in today at 235, ate a steak, mustard greens, eggs with cheese and deli turkey, and some bacon. Go no carb! Hard to tell why I feel so good during the day, but this ECA, cardio, and nocarb combo is working wonders.
 
Scooter10 said:
Update: Took my first dose of the ECA stack (25mg E, 500mg A, 250mg C). Feeling great.
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I'd be curious to hear the opinion of one of our resident experts on this. I haven't really looked into it. Is the idea that it will speed up your metabolism?
 
WilTX said:
I'd be curious to hear the opinion of one of our resident experts on this. I haven't really looked into it. Is the idea that it will speed up your metabolism?
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ECA stack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah, it's supposed to increase metabolism, cut down on appetite, and help energy levels.

I haven't had any complaints. I actually quit smoking weed more or less as this diet started, and I've felt consistently upbeat and 'ready for anything' since this routine started. I'm not sure how much of the effect is the ECA stack, but I certainly have no complaints thus far.
 
Yeah......no.

Did people forget about the fact this stuff caused heart damage? You do not need a pill. Not to mention no carbs isn't exactly good for you either.

You want balance. Balance is how you can live life. the reason people lose weight at all on no carbs is the cutting of calories from carbs. The same calories that can be cut in other ways..Is this something you can do for 5 years? 10?

I would be more worried about those damn pills than the no carbs though.
 
Scooter10 said:
ECA stack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah, it's supposed to increase metabolism, cut down on appetite, and help energy levels.

I haven't had any complaints. I actually quit smoking weed more or less as this diet started, and I've felt consistently upbeat and 'ready for anything' since this routine started. I'm not sure how much of the effect is the ECA stack, but I certainly have no complaints thus far.
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Have you tried to find real ephedra/ephedrine or an herbal substitute?
 
Jericho said:
Yeah......no.

Did people forget about the fact this stuff caused heart damage? You do not need a pill. Not to mention no carbs isn't exactly good for you either.

You want balance. Balance is how you can live life. the reason people lose weight at all on no carbs is the cutting of calories from carbs. The same calories that can be cut in other ways..Is this something you can do for 5 years? 10?

I would be more worried about those damn pills than the no carbs though.
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I was in wrestling in high school. I used to dip from 152lbs-189lbs bi-weekly as needed, and I've got (humbly) great genes. My frame and muscle structure has always appeared in outstanding condition even when hidden by excess fat, and I've always responded exceptionally well to any effort I put into my body.

That, and I'm 21, so no I'm not worried. This is a crash diet. I'm aware of that. I'm going to be levelling out and changing my diet around completely (again) once I hit my target maintenance goal, and will probably work towards a clean bulk from there. I want results, and fortunately I have the discipline and body to handle a diet which yields results at the cost of difficulty and being unsustainable for the long term.

To the above poster, I looked all around my area before settling on using Primatine(sp?). It's a medication, but the side effects are very minimal (slight sniffles and a little bit of mucus, basically it clears your tract) and each dose is 25mg (2 12.5g of E, 2 pills per dose as instructed on box). I researched the heart problems from the ECA stack, and so long as you're keeping within the recommended dosages and are healthy I can't see anything happening. Aside from that, I was the poster-child of caffeine for the past few gaining years, so it didn't exactly shock my system.

I recommend you ask a doctor if you're unsure, but it was a no-brainer for me.
 
Why did you ask a doctor cause I doubt it.

You are 21 and feel invincible. It still does harm you. People with great genes can still die..

Look believe me, don't believe me, that is your choice.

Primatine..as in the asthma relief medication? you are popping ASTHMA MEDICATION. Go to a doctor.
 
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Jericho said:
Why did you ask a doctor cause I doubt it.

You are 21 and feel invincible. It still does harm you. People with great genes can still die..

Look believe me, don't believe me, that is your choice.

Primatine..as in the asthma relief medication? you are popping ASTHMA MEDICATION. Go to a doctor.
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Didn't ask a doctor. Primatene's only major side effects stem from the ephedra in it. A quick browse (again) shows that major side effects come as a result of improper dosage. Ephedra is well known as a dangerous stimulant, but with proper doses and a healthy heart there's minimal risk.
 
Tell you what...Go tell your doctor that and see what he says.

Guess what..the internet? It's not the place you should get information about..as you said..A DANGEROUS STIMULANT!

I hope that people who are reading what you are doing is smarter than that.

This forum has mostly people who are not crash dieting. They aren't abusing dangerous pills for a purpose they are not ment for. I do NOT want to see anyone here following what you are doing.

I don't care if the mods get mad at me, I can't let it twist people who are really looking for help.

ASTHMA MEDICINE IS NOT FOR WEIGHT LOSS.
 
Can we have a little less angst about how people choose to loose their weight Jericho.

Those with a brain will realize that taking drugs may work on the short term, but unless they plan on being a drug addict all their life, its not going to work long term.

This does remind me a lot of this story i found
If you eat a poor diet, which involves half starving, chances are you will loose muscle rather than fat. Heart, Lungs, etc muscle. This usually results in death. If you want to die thats your choice but can we not argue over drugs? :)
 
I'm sorry. I just don't want people looking for answers to see someone doing this and think it is a good idea.

I'm going to just step away from this thread, leaving it alone.
 
There's really nothing to say to people who think the ECA stack is harmful in proper doses to healthy hearted individuals. Obviously if this isn't for you, don't do it. Fact is it's a well known supplement that, in double blind studies, DOES work exceptionally well with minimal side effects. If you're afraid of pills then perhaps you shouldn't take them. It's improper use that got ephedra the rap it has.
 
See a doctor before taking any pills, especially medicine for a purpose they are not ment for.


NOW I'll leave this thread.
 
I think I'm going to try this myself. I stopped at the pharmacy this evening and picked up some caffeine and Bronkaid.
 
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