cabers, sheafs, weights...oh my

AWESOME.


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Thanks!

Fri-7/27
A)Hang clean:135X5, 155X5, 175X3
B)front squat:225X5, 275X5, 315X3, 335X1, 355X1, 365X1
C)push press:185X5, 205X3, 225X1, 225XF <--WTH??!!
This absolutely wrecked the rest of my workout. It was bad enough I spent 15ish minutes talking to some guy who was wondering about my front squat. But to only get one rep of 225 on the push press???

D1)Full contact twists:35X12X3
D2)lumberjack squat+throw&catch:50X10X3

I absolutely cannot believe I only got one rep of 225 on the push press. I'm going to go hibernate and contemplate on the ramifications of this. I almost feel like the world should stop existing. Let's hope throwing goes better than this tomorrow.
 
thats a shame about the push press. But dont worry about it, you probobly just had one of those days. And yeah, i hate it too when i have to talk to people who wonder about my exercises. "what muscle does that work?" "whats that exercise do?" or, my personal favourite "arent you afraid of falling and breaking your neck? you should rather do those in the smith machine you know.."
 
OH pressing is pretty fickle, I've found. But, I guess you better play it safe and just drive your car into a frozen river...Any push press under 225 is a worthless one.

lmao if anything this just means you're going to throw 300x farther than before, what with all the rest you're getting and the pent up emotions you've got.
 
O.K. I have some observations and some bunch of questions.

I know you are training with the goal of throw stuff farther.

You lift 3 X per week. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Correct?

What are the goals of each of your training days? Looking back through pages 5, 6, 7, 8 it is a little hard to see a pattern.

What is your weakest link? Strength? Power? Conditioning?

Do you have imbalances?

Do you have lifts that are particularly weak or strong compared to the rest?

You do a lot of low reps with core exercises. 3's, 1's, ad 5's. What is the major reason for this?

You do a lot of pyramiding up to a couple of sets of one or two. Reasons?

Hhhhhhmmm. I think that is all of the questions for now. I have some feedback about how you do your olympic lifts. The answers to these questions will give me the information I need to give better feedback about the rest of the workout.
 
O.K. I have some observations and some bunch of questions.

I know you are training with the goal of throw stuff farther.

1. You lift 3 X per week. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Correct?

2. What are the goals of each of your training days? Looking back through pages 5, 6, 7, 8 it is a little hard to see a pattern.

3. What is your weakest link? Strength? Power? Conditioning?

4. Do you have imbalances?

5. Do you have lifts that are particularly weak or strong compared to the rest?

6. You do a lot of low reps with core exercises. 3's, 1's, ad 5's. What is the major reason for this?

7. You do a lot of pyramiding up to a couple of sets of one or two. Reasons?

Hhhhhhmmm. I think that is all of the questions for now. I have some feedback about how you do your olympic lifts. The answers to these questions will give me the information I need to give better feedback about the rest of the workout.

1. Yes. I typically try to get 3 days of lifting in and 2 days of throwing. It is generally MWF.

2. Typical goals are to pick 1-2 compound movements and work a low volume, high intensity set up which usually revolved around working up to heavy triples to singles and 2-3RMs. I tend to emphasize my front squat and push press. There really wasn't much of a pattern. I did a lot of just thrown together stuff after I got there.

3. I think my strength is fairly good. I find my power starts to fatigue semi-quickly. My conditioning is probabally lacking compared to the other two.

4. I have an abdominal rotational strength imbalance. I found this out when doing full contact twists the other days. I was disapointed in the weight I struggled with. That's a horrible thing for a thrower.

5. I think my deadlift should be signifcantly higher than it is. My push press has stalled on increase and I had a horrible day with it the other day. However, my front squat keeps increasing. I think my biceps are weak.

6. I use the low reps/high intensity for increasing absolute strength and efficiency of the CNS. I've had it drilled in my head that absolute strength is the basis for building all other strength capacities.

7. The pyramiding is just me working up to the heavier numbers.


Thanks, bro. :)
 
Lots of feedback today.

2. Typical goals are to pick 1-2 compound movements and work a low volume, high intensity set up which usually revolved around working up to heavy triples to singles and 2-3RMs. I tend to emphasize my front squat and push press. There really wasn't much of a pattern. I did a lot of just thrown together stuff after I got there.

Lets start here. You will need to have more specific goals for your training days. If you have 3 days per week you can have a power day, a strength day, and a hyp / work capacity day.

Or every other week you can alternate 2 power, 1 strength / 2 strength, 1 power. And get your hyp / work capacity in the same workouts.

This way you will have a better plan when you go into the gym.

Either one you choose will help with -

I find my power starts to fatigue semi-quickly. My conditioning is probabally lacking compared to the other two.

Next -

4. I have an abdominal rotational strength imbalance. I found this out when doing full contact twists the other days. I was disapointed in the weight I struggled with. That's a horrible thing for a thrower.

A lot of throwers do. a good way to work imbalances out is to do some of the events in the opposite direction. You do not even have to throw anything, just go through the rotations with weight in the opposite direction.

I fell down the first time I swung the weight in the opposite direction, using my right hand.

Aside from that the full contact twists are good. I know you do single arm OL. You should be good here. You always train both sides.

As a thrower you will be off a little all the time.

5. I think my deadlift should be signifcantly higher than it is. My push press has stalled on increase and I had a horrible day with it the other day. However, my front squat keeps increasing.

After looking through your journal, you do very little low back and hamstring work. These are key to your deadlift / WOB and, well, just about all of the events as well.

This would explain why your front squat gets better, since it is a leg dominant exercise (you do bulgs and other assistance ex for legs)

I think my biceps are weak.

Smaller muscle groups recover faster than larger muscle groups. (science and practice, zatsiorsky) So you can train biceps more often in order to bring up strength. Biceps generally recover in 24 hours. (unless you have really bad work capacity.)

7. The pyramiding is just me working up to the heavier numbers.

It makes your volume look bigger than it is. Example -

Mon-7/23
A)Hang snatch:135X5, 145X3, 155X2
B)zercher squat:225X5, 275X3, 315X1, 355X1, 375X1
C)BTN jerk:185X3, 205X3, 225X3, 245X1, 255X1

You did 3 sets of hang snatch, 3 sets of zercher squats, and 2 sets of jerks. For a total of 15 reps for your 3 big exercises. So your volume is pretty low. (especially since all of your workouts tend to look like this.)

6. I use the low reps/high intensity for increasing absolute strength and efficiency of the CNS. I've had it drilled in my head that absolute strength is the basis for building all other strength capacities.

The basis for building all other strength qualities is work capacity. If your work capacity is high you will recover faster from more intense workouts. This also builds a base of muscle as well as the fact that work capacity training has a high training effect on connective tissue and non contractile tissue, decreasing the chance for injury. (siff, facts and fallacies)

You are right about the CNS. But your volume is too low on your power exercises. Which would explain -

I find my power starts to fatigue semi-quickly.

You need more volume on your power exercises, snatch, clean, push presses, high pulls, really any exercise like that.

Choose a number of reps to do (I usually use 2 or 3) and do 8 - 12 sets. This will give you more volume, help to increase your ability to be powerful over longer periods of time, and give you a lot more reps to get your form better.

This is everything I have spotted for the time being. I am sure we can work out some specific workouts over the next few days. :)
 
Thanks! You hit on a lot of things I hadn't realized-primarily how low in volume my core lifts were and how much work I wasn't doing for the lower back and hammies. I'm looking forward to more of your insights!

Mon-7/30
A)Hang Clean: 135X5, 155X3, 175X2X5 (60 sec RI)
B)1 arm db med inc bench: 100X8, 90X8, 80X8, 70X8 *each arm*
C)Good Morns:155X2X12 (30 sec RI) ~should've gone heavier~

D) Circuit (15 sec RI between movements; 1 min RI between circuits)
D1)full contact twists: 35X12X3
D2)lumber jack squat+throw and catch:70X6X3
D3)chest supported row:145X12X3

Look a bit better?
 
Mon-7/30
A)Hang Clean: 135X5, 155X3, 175X2X5 (60 sec RI)
B)1 arm db med inc bench: 100X8, 90X8, 80X8, 70X8 *each arm*
C)Good Morns:155X2X12 (30 sec RI) ~should've gone heavier~

64 reps of core lifts today. You should feel like you got a lot more out of your workout.

Is mucho better-ness.

I am ready to see goals for each of your training days.:cool:
 
64 reps of core lifts today. You should feel like you got a lot more out of your workout.

Is mucho better-ness.

I am ready to see goals for each of your training days.:cool:

Yup. I actually feel like I worked out. :yelrotflmao: Seriously though...after finishing the GMs, I was feeling nadda from them. However, at this point a few hours later and my lower back and hammies are feeling a bit worked. :)

On goals-I really have never set specific goals for each day. I have that vague "get bigger, get stronger" thing going on right now. One huge goal is finding a new Oly lifting coach since mine is moving since he finished up his doctoral degree, and I was being lazy lately and not seeing him anyway.

What is your protocol in setting up specific goals each day? I notice you set yourself up for a power, strength, or general fitness day but that's all I can get out of your goal set up. Enlighten me.
 
What is your protocol in setting up specific goals each day? I notice you set yourself up for a power, strength, or general fitness day but that's all I can get out of your goal set up. Enlighten me.

Thats pretty much the deal. The goal does not have to be super specific. (the way you keep track of that goal does have to be specific) It gives you something to focus on for the workout, keeping your mind focused on that goal.

Also it helps you find weaknesses with each type of strength. So as opposed to saying "I am not in good enough shape" you would say, "I really need to increase work capacity on my core and hamstrings" or, "I am a lot more explosive off of one leg than I am off of both legs."

You can be more specific with each type of strength.

You can look at powerlifters, who generally have a strength and a speed day. (many have separate workouts for sled pulling or other conditioning)

That style of workout was taken from OL. Where many lifters train the competitive lifts separate from the strength lifts.

Sprinters are another good example. Most will have power days, strength days and conditioning days.

I find is easier to focus when I only have one type of strength to train for the day. But, There is a different school of thought.

Many people will do everything in one workout. Power first, strength second, work capacity third.

Although there are goals for those days as well. The power movements can be OL one day, jumping / hopping another day, and heavier strength speed the third day.

The strength exercises here can be Squatting / pushing one day, pulling the second day, Assistance / aux exercises the third day.

Conditioning can be Weighted pulling / full body exercises on day one, BW conditioning on the second day, Circuit / super set stuff the third day.

There is not really one way to set goals for each workout. The basics of it are that you need a day where you can compare workouts across time and show progress (or lack there of) so you know what is working and what is not for the specific things you are doing.

I prefer setting the strength and power days apart. (I also think work capacity / conditioning needs to be done 3 days per week) I know the groups of exercises that I will cycle through across time, when I get back to a lift I will know how well things are working based upon how much the lift / exercise has improved. This gives me the ability to make adjustments to the workout as I see fit.

If certain lifts have not gone up then I will assess what my weak points are and add / remove exercises based upon bringing up weak points. This has always allowed me to bring up all lifts since I am generally on the lookout for what the next weak point is.

This was long, I waved in and out of the topic a little, but I hope it made sense.
 
Note to G: Power days definately need to go on Monday. The increased volume to my hammies and lower back via GMs didn't help my WOB today. It looks like seperating different training qualities is going to happen. Power on Mon, Strength on Weds, and a hypertrophy/power on Fri. Will have to monitor Friday since we throw on Saturday and Tulsa is coming up on Sept 15th.

Tues-7/31
*Events training day*

A) Open stone: 5 throws; best=32'3"
B) H hammer: 5 throws; best=56'5"
C) L hammer: 5 throws; best=72'8"
D) Sheaf: 8 tosses; no measurements
E) WOB: 8 tosses; best=10' and change

Not too bad. We haven't brought out the tape measure in awhile, and we're still running medium intensity on the throws. I need to work on my release for the hammers and really getting my hips out for the WOB (weight over bar).

16 days until I have to return to work and deal with the heathen children.
 
Power on Mon, Strength on Weds, and a hypertrophy/power on Fri. Will have to monitor Friday since we throw on Saturday and Tulsa is coming up on Sept 15th.

Yea, the effect on throwing is another reason to split the days up and keep the things that make you sore away from the throwing days.

You will be a lot less sore after your body adapts.

I like seeing the "best" next to the throws.:cool:
 
Weds-8/1

A)push press:155X5, 185X3, 205X3, 235X1, 225X3X2
B)front squat:225X5, 275X5, 315X3, 375XF, 355X3X2
C)RDL:225X10X2, 245X6
D)chins:BW+35X8X2, BWX10

Circuit
E1)Face pulls:135X12X2
E2)cable crunch:155X15X2
E3)cable leg drives:90X10X2 per leg
E4)"caber" curls:155X12X2
E5)rope tri ext:135X12X2

*Disapointed on the 375 front squat failure*
 
Fri-8/3

Cutting weight sucks. It sure isn't helping my strength.

A)deadlift:225X10, 295X5, 315X5, 375X2X5, 375X1X5 *Must bring chalk next time I deadlift*
B)bench: 225X8, 245X5, 265X3, 285X3, 305X3
C)Bulgarian squat:80sX9 each legX3

I was dragging ass today and on Weds. I chalked Weds up to it being that I just had a protein shake before training and those were my only calories before that point. Today I added a cup of blueberries and it seemed to help a bit but not enough. I'm wondering if it isn't just a mental thing or if it's just an off couple of days for me.
 
Cutting????? What is this cutting you speak of???????

A city in India?????

:D

I'm going to attempt to throw in the 190 lb class at Tulsa in Sept. I'm sitting at 195, so I'm wondering now with ~6 weeks away if I'm not trying to cut too much too quickly.



Why are you not eating a whole meal before the workout?

I have a hard time with moderation. In my attempt to cut and then maintain, I've been trying to get the weight down fairly quickly and then introduce back in kcals. So I've been having a protein shake for breakfast along with 400mg of caffeine. I then will eat a small meal of 1 egg, 5 eggwhites, 1 cup of milk, 2 ounces of cheese, and a bell pepper...okay, to some that may not be a small meal but it's nil in carbs and small for me. I've been training about 1.5 hours after my first meal, so it's been pretty much just a protein shake.

I think what's happening is I'm used to training after getting in at least 1000-2000 kcals and it's been reduced to like 200kcals. I think the reduction in carbs is hitting me also. And I've been milking the late nights as they're getting fewer and fewer towards the beginning of school. When the sun comes up, I'm typically wide awake whether I want to be or not. so I think my CNS isn't getting recovered like it needs to be. And lastly, I think the increase in volume this week is causing my body to up its recovery and it's not used to it.

Today I did a "refeed". Mexican food=kcals and carbs galore. I felt happy. :)
 
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