why would time be an issue- im there until my workout is finished- not 1 hour a day.
i have recently started doing a 5x5 with another trainer at the gym, so we will see...
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Bodybuilding has lied to you, and that’s why you’re still skinny
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why would time be an issue- im there until my workout is finished- not 1 hour a day.
i have recently started doing a 5x5 with another trainer at the gym, so we will see...
If you had a high fat diet u would have a high calorie intake since fat is worth the most energy. So having a high fat diet you will gain fat even if you stay at your maintenance level. As you get fat, you will also lose muscle in the gym because your body's diet doesn't supply the energy it needs to build muscle. Not only will you gain fat and lose muscle, you will clog up your arteries from all the cholesterol. you can't gain muscle without a good diet, it's not a one way road. so it's not just about "It's all about calories in vs calories out" it's about what's in those calories as well. Tony D
You'll lose muscle if you eat a lot of fat and train? Muscle can use fat as energy or are you talking about glycogen? You won't lose muscle if you exercise and eat a lot of fat, but you might not gain as much muscle as if you had full glycogen stores.
There have been done studies on high fat diets and they don't really show that your cholesterol levels will go through the roof. A lot of them show better cholesterol levels.
When were talking about weight loss and weight gain it IS all about calories in vs calories out, you cannot refute the laws of thermodynamics. The question is what controls calories in and calories out? If you eat more than you use, you will gain weight, if you eat less than you lose you will lose weight. Energy cannot appear or disappear, it can only be transfered and change "form". That sounds very simple, but appetite control is a very complex topic.
And fat won't make you fat if you don't eat over your maintenance level of calories. It might be easier to eat over your maintenance level of calories if you eat a lot of fat (as some research has suggested), but then you're in a calorie surplus. If you gain fat at a maintenance level of calories you must be losing calories from muscle at the same rate as you're gaining calories in body fat. And if you do strength training and you're healthy, you won't lose muscle mass while you're at a maintenance level of calories. You might if you reduce the amount of training you do, though. But if we're talking about weight gain, it is impossible to gain weight in the form of fat or muscle or other tissue that consists of energy as long as you're in a true caloric balance. You could gain water weight, etc, but that's it.
You won't lose muscle if you exercise and eat a lot of fat.
When were talking about weight loss and weight gain it IS all about calories in vs calories out, you cannot refute the laws of thermodynamics. The question is what controls calories in and calories out? If you eat more than you use, you will gain weight, if you eat less than you lose you will lose weight. Energy cannot appear or disappear, it can only be transfered and change "form". That sounds very simple, but appetite control is a very complex topic.
And fat won't make you fat if you don't eat over your maintenance level of calories. It might be easier to eat over your maintenance level of calories if you eat a lot of fat (as some research has suggested), but then you're in a calorie surplus. If you gain fat at a maintenance level of calories you must be losing calories from muscle at the same rate as you're gaining calories in body fat. And if you do strength training and you're healthy, you won't lose muscle mass while you're at a maintenance level of calories. You might if you reduce the amount of training you do, though. But if we're talking about weight gain, it is impossible to gain weight in the form of fat or muscle or other tissue that consists of energy as long as you're in a true caloric balance. You could gain water weight, etc, but that's it.
Your body will use your muscle and fat as energy if there is no glycogen. Mainly muscle because it is intense exercise. That's why you would be wasting your time in the gym and getting fat! Fat is worth more calories then protein and carbohydrates. So if you had a low calorie diet you would be eating hardly anything because fat has a high calorie count. This will slow down your metabolism because you will end up starving because exercising makes you eat more.
If you don't have a "balanced" calorie diet but it consist of fat and go to the gym as well, you will still get fat! This is because fat is not used as energy for weight training it's either muscle or glycogen. When you leave the gym you lose muscle instead of fat, and feed your body with fat again. You will end up fat.
So it is not "it IS all about calories in vs calories out" it's also what's in them.
Plus you can't have a balanced diet if it is all fat. You won't be eating enough for the exercise you do.
If you can gain fat by expending as many calories as you use, then please tell me where the energy for that extra fat you gain comes from. Energy cannot be created or disappear, it can only change "forms". so where does it come from? You're breaking the laws of thermodynamics.
Fat contains more cals per gram, so you'd have to eat less grams of food on a high fat diet, but if you're in calorie balance your in calorie balance, you can't gain weight that way (except for weight that doesn't have energy, like water) it's physically impossible.
Fat contains more cals per gram, so you'd have to eat less grams of food on a high fat diet, but if you're in calorie balance your in calorie balance, you can't gain weight that way (except for weight that doesn't have energy, like water) it's physically impossible.
"You're breaking the laws of thermodynamics" - firstly, you need to understand this before you mentioned it.
Energy is in the form of a molecule called ATP - Andenosine Triphosphate. It is broken down ADP Andenosine Diphosphate and then transformed again when energy from food replaces it after it has been used. Unfortunately fat is only a 'reserved energy', rather glycogen replaces ATP. Fat is stored in the adipose tissue and is only used when it's a low intensity exercise and also when there is no glucose or glycogen.
"please tell me where the energy for that extra fat you gain comes from"
Even though there is already reserved fat on you body from a high fat diet. The fat hasn't been used as energy in the gym because the exercise is too intense!! because there is no glycose or glycogen, muscle replaces the energy from ADP to ATP. After gym you end up feeding your body with fat again therefore you will end up even fatter with less muscles!
"Fat contains more cals per gram, so you'd have to eat less grams of food on a high fat diet, but if you're in calorie balance your in calorie balance, you can't gain weight that way (except for weight that doesn't have energy, like water) it's physically impossible".
were talking about fat not weight! and yes it is possible to gain weight(fat) with a high fat diet and i explained it above. Doesn't matter about balanced calorie etc. It's what's in them. you might not go up 5 kg but rather lose muscle and gain fat and weigh the same. (Muscle weighs more then fat...)
You clearly don't understand what your saying and giving out bad information.
Energy is in the form of a molecule called ATP - Andenosine Triphosphate. It is broken down ADP Andenosine Diphosphate and then transformed again when energy from food replaces it after it has been used. Unfortunately fat is only a 'reserved energy', rather glycogen replaces ATP. Fat is stored in the adipose tissue and is only used when it's a low intensity exercise and also when there is no glucose or glycogen.
"please tell me where the energy for that extra fat you gain comes from"
Even though there is already reserved fat on you body from a high fat diet. The fat hasn't been used as energy in the gym because the exercise is too intense!! because there is no glycose or glycogen, muscle replaces the energy from ADP to ATP. After gym you end up feeding your body with fat again therefore you will end up even fatter with less muscles!
"Fat contains more cals per gram, so you'd have to eat less grams of food on a high fat diet, but if you're in calorie balance your in calorie balance, you can't gain weight that way (except for weight that doesn't have energy, like water) it's physically impossible".
were talking about fat not weight! and yes it is possible to gain weight(fat) with a high fat diet and i explained it above. Doesn't matter about balanced calorie etc. It's what's in them. you might not go up 5 kg but rather lose muscle and gain fat and weigh the same. (Muscle weighs more then fat...)
You clearly don't understand what your saying and giving out bad information.
not trying to come off mean, just frustrated.
I know what ATP and ADP is, I understand this perfectly well.
When I say calorie balance, I mean a balance between calories in and calories out, not a balance between the macronutrients.
I'm not questioning that it's possible to gain weight on a high fat diet, it's possible to gain weight on any diet if you eat more calories than you expend.
If you gain weight (fat) that energy has to come from somewhere. If you're in a calorie balance, your body uses as much energy per day as you eat per day. There is no energy left for storing as fat.
You must remember that we burn energy during the entire day, and while you won't burn a lot of fat while your doing high intensity work outs, you will burn fat the rest of the day when your intensity is low (just sitting around the house, doing the dishes, etc)
When I say calorie balance, I mean a balance between calories in and calories out, not a balance between the macronutrients.
I'm not questioning that it's possible to gain weight on a high fat diet, it's possible to gain weight on any diet if you eat more calories than you expend.
If you gain weight (fat) that energy has to come from somewhere. If you're in a calorie balance, your body uses as much energy per day as you eat per day. There is no energy left for storing as fat.
You must remember that we burn energy during the entire day, and while you won't burn a lot of fat while your doing high intensity work outs, you will burn fat the rest of the day when your intensity is low (just sitting around the house, doing the dishes, etc)
Okay lets say you have a balanced calorie intake of a high fat diet. You can't have a balanced diet because it is just fat. You will end up getting fat in the end because your metabolism will slow down from starvation because 1 meal of fat a day would be more energy then you need for that day for (low intensity) movements. So regardless your body is going to get fat in the long run. Also even if you don't gain fat you will appear fatter because you will lose muscle regardless as well.
The original debate was over drinking to much milk will make you fat. For anyone that would be eating with a balanced diet and then drinking a lot of milk like was said before you will get fat. i wasn't talking about it is all about calorie in vs calorie out but because you mentioned that i was trying to tell you that it isn't just about calorie in vs calorie out it's also what's in them. This forum is about fitness and that's why it's important for people to know that you can't be fit if you just followed calories in vs calories out. The amount of calories in fat that you eat in a day would take you a few days to burn from just living do dishes etc.
overall a high fat diet even with a balanced calorie intake will lead to fat. Even if you don't gain fat you will appear fatter. Your metabolism will slow down from starvation and you won't be able to breakdown energy fast enough and will lead to fat in the long run.
I understand what your saying but regardless having a unhealthy balanced calorie intake is going to do more bad then good mentioned as above.
The original debate was over drinking to much milk will make you fat. For anyone that would be eating with a balanced diet and then drinking a lot of milk like was said before you will get fat. i wasn't talking about it is all about calorie in vs calorie out but because you mentioned that i was trying to tell you that it isn't just about calorie in vs calorie out it's also what's in them. This forum is about fitness and that's why it's important for people to know that you can't be fit if you just followed calories in vs calories out. The amount of calories in fat that you eat in a day would take you a few days to burn from just living do dishes etc.
overall a high fat diet even with a balanced calorie intake will lead to fat. Even if you don't gain fat you will appear fatter. Your metabolism will slow down from starvation and you won't be able to breakdown energy fast enough and will lead to fat in the long run.
I understand what your saying but regardless having a unhealthy balanced calorie intake is going to do more bad then good mentioned as above.
So now you're saying that a high fat diet will lead to an increase in calories in (because there are so many cals per gram of fat) and thus you'll gain weight? At least that does not break with the laws of thermodynamics. Also, some studies have shown that people who eat more fat will usually eat more calories, probably because fat is less saturating per calorie than carbs and protein.
If you are in a calorie balance and then start drinking milk without reducing anything else then you will be in a calorie surplus and you will gain weight. But this will be the same if you start eating bananas without reducing anything else in your diet. Usually, though, you'll reduce something since both milk and bananas will make you full.
You're saying that a high fat diet will lead to muscle loss in the long run more than a regular high carb diet. Do you have any studies to prove this? In the beginning of a high fat low carb diet there will be quite a bit of protein break down, but this will go down once your body goes into ketosis and your brain starts using ketones instead of glucose for fuel. I can't recall having seen any negative effects on muscle mass from a high fat low carb diet compared with a "regular" diet.
Why would your metabolism slow down with a high fat diet? Any studies on this statement? You won't be starving if you're actually getting enough cals in. There are a lot of studies on high fat diets out there and I've read quite a bit of them, I haven't seen anything suggesting a slower metabolism from a high fat diet.
If you are in a calorie balance and then start drinking milk without reducing anything else then you will be in a calorie surplus and you will gain weight. But this will be the same if you start eating bananas without reducing anything else in your diet. Usually, though, you'll reduce something since both milk and bananas will make you full.
You're saying that a high fat diet will lead to muscle loss in the long run more than a regular high carb diet. Do you have any studies to prove this? In the beginning of a high fat low carb diet there will be quite a bit of protein break down, but this will go down once your body goes into ketosis and your brain starts using ketones instead of glucose for fuel. I can't recall having seen any negative effects on muscle mass from a high fat low carb diet compared with a "regular" diet.
Why would your metabolism slow down with a high fat diet? Any studies on this statement? You won't be starving if you're actually getting enough cals in. There are a lot of studies on high fat diets out there and I've read quite a bit of them, I haven't seen anything suggesting a slower metabolism from a high fat diet.
Because eating 1 gram of fat is DOUBLE the kilojoules of 1 gram of protein or carbohydrates. You will need to eat less to be in a calorie balance because fat will supply heaps of energy for the day even though it is not much. This is why you will starve.
a high fat diet will lead to more calories in and i have been saying this in all my comments... it will lead to more calories in even though you have ate hardly anything. This is because fat supplies double the energy then carbohydrates and protein. So if someone was on a high fat diet they would be fat because fat supplies heaps of energy which is only used as a fuel reserve.
By saying calorie balanced means energy intake equals energy expenditure. So tell me this, if you plan to go to the gym and gain muscle are you going to eat more fat for more energy?? Yea go for it but what happens after the gym? how do your muscles repair? will there be less fat on your body?
You can't have a calorie balance with just fat in your diet because what happens when you need carbohydrates as energy.
It doesn't even make sense when you say you can have a high fat diet and not gain weight if you have a calorie balanced diet.
a high fat diet will lead to more calories in and i have been saying this in all my comments... it will lead to more calories in even though you have ate hardly anything. This is because fat supplies double the energy then carbohydrates and protein. So if someone was on a high fat diet they would be fat because fat supplies heaps of energy which is only used as a fuel reserve.
By saying calorie balanced means energy intake equals energy expenditure. So tell me this, if you plan to go to the gym and gain muscle are you going to eat more fat for more energy?? Yea go for it but what happens after the gym? how do your muscles repair? will there be less fat on your body?
You can't have a calorie balance with just fat in your diet because what happens when you need carbohydrates as energy.
It doesn't even make sense when you say you can have a high fat diet and not gain weight if you have a calorie balanced diet.
You can have calorie balance with only fat in your diet, but you can't eat as many grams of food as if you had only carbs.
You seem to think that the grams of food consumed is what controls how hungry you are, this is not true. Appetite regulation is very complex and involves many biological factors and many of them are more related to energy intake than grams of food. You don't have to eat twice as many grams of carbs to get as saturated as you do from fat.
In your comments you've been saying that even in a calorie balance you will gain fat if you eat a high fat diet, this is the statement I've been arguing against. Now you're changing this to saying that if you eat a lot of fat you will have a high energy intake and be in a calorie surplus and gain weight. Those are two very different statements. Everything that leads to weight change has to work through calories in vs calories out.
Of course it makes sense that you can have a high fat diet and not gain weight if you're in a calorie balance. You're in a calorie balance, there is no net energy being deposited in your body, you won't gain weight. I'm not saying you won't be hungry, I'm not saying it's easy, but if you're in a calorie balance you're in a calorie balance.
If you look at this article, you'll see that the group who ate low carb and had unrestricted consumption of fat and proteins (which means it will be a high fat diet) lost weight.
You seem to think that the grams of food consumed is what controls how hungry you are, this is not true. Appetite regulation is very complex and involves many biological factors and many of them are more related to energy intake than grams of food. You don't have to eat twice as many grams of carbs to get as saturated as you do from fat.
In your comments you've been saying that even in a calorie balance you will gain fat if you eat a high fat diet, this is the statement I've been arguing against. Now you're changing this to saying that if you eat a lot of fat you will have a high energy intake and be in a calorie surplus and gain weight. Those are two very different statements. Everything that leads to weight change has to work through calories in vs calories out.
Of course it makes sense that you can have a high fat diet and not gain weight if you're in a calorie balance. You're in a calorie balance, there is no net energy being deposited in your body, you won't gain weight. I'm not saying you won't be hungry, I'm not saying it's easy, but if you're in a calorie balance you're in a calorie balance.
If you look at this article, you'll see that the group who ate low carb and had unrestricted consumption of fat and proteins (which means it will be a high fat diet) lost weight.
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All those studies are on low carb high fat diet. Not just fat diet which is what were talking about.
When i say high fat diet i mean only fat not carbohydrates as well, which was stated by you firstly. You said you won't gain fat with a diet that consist of fat. I'm saying you will..
I was not talking about hunger etc. If you were already in a calorie balance and still hungry or not you would have to let yourself starve right? This is why you would be starving if you only ate fat. You don't need to starve for you metabolism to slow down, you might not know your starving and your metabolism is slowing down.
Fat supplies a lot of energy with little consumed, you would only need to eat a little bit of fat for that day for the energy your going to use. This is because fat gives double the energy your body needs and is only used on low intensity movements.
Since were talking about gaining muscle aswell, how are you going to supply the energy you need in the gym? That's why i said, are you going to eat more fat for more energy? Yes, you will because you need more energy since your exercising. The problem is that it can't break it down cause it's to slow.
This is why I said it doesn't make sense being in a calorie balance because a calorie balance means energy intake equals energy expenditure. So how are you suppose to use those calories when your in the gym... You can't, this is why it doesn't make sense when you say calorie balance.
Burning muscle would be your reserved energy you will be using in the gym. Regardless you will become fat due to using muscle as energy instead of fat. your body will starve and your metabolism will slow down, this is because you are exercising and not supplying what your body needs! So a diet that consist of fat when you are exercising is going to lead to fat because the loss of muscle and not the use of fat. It will also lead to fat in the long run from your metabolism slowing down. Furthermore, your heart is not efficient as it was which will be hard for your body to transfer oxygen around for ENERGY to be used.
Having a calorie balance diet would make sense if you were not exercising but you said that calorie in vs calorie out is what it's all about. I am saying it not because:
- You burn muscle instead of fat
- Eating more fat even though you haven't used that fat as energy in the gym
- Metabolism is slowing down due to your muscles not being fed what it needs and also not eating enough (because fat supplies to much energy even though you ate hardly anything)
- Heart is not efficient and body can't transfer blood therefore oxygen to working muscles
Why this diet would be bad and fatal:
- Your whole body is going backwards because your brain isn't getting glucose or glycogen
- Since fat is only fat and doesn't contain vitamins calcium etc... your bones will become fragile going into osteoporosis.
- impact growth and could increase cholesterol levels
- stroke, heart attack, angina, hypertension
Restating:
So a calorie balance means energy intake equals energy expenditure... Because you are exercising you will need more calories for your energy in the gym. Too bad you won't be using the fat in the gym rather muscle. Since your body hasn't lost that fat and your going to supply more of it to your body the next day. You will end up FAT!
When i say high fat diet i mean only fat not carbohydrates as well, which was stated by you firstly. You said you won't gain fat with a diet that consist of fat. I'm saying you will..
I was not talking about hunger etc. If you were already in a calorie balance and still hungry or not you would have to let yourself starve right? This is why you would be starving if you only ate fat. You don't need to starve for you metabolism to slow down, you might not know your starving and your metabolism is slowing down.
Fat supplies a lot of energy with little consumed, you would only need to eat a little bit of fat for that day for the energy your going to use. This is because fat gives double the energy your body needs and is only used on low intensity movements.
Since were talking about gaining muscle aswell, how are you going to supply the energy you need in the gym? That's why i said, are you going to eat more fat for more energy? Yes, you will because you need more energy since your exercising. The problem is that it can't break it down cause it's to slow.
This is why I said it doesn't make sense being in a calorie balance because a calorie balance means energy intake equals energy expenditure. So how are you suppose to use those calories when your in the gym... You can't, this is why it doesn't make sense when you say calorie balance.
Burning muscle would be your reserved energy you will be using in the gym. Regardless you will become fat due to using muscle as energy instead of fat. your body will starve and your metabolism will slow down, this is because you are exercising and not supplying what your body needs! So a diet that consist of fat when you are exercising is going to lead to fat because the loss of muscle and not the use of fat. It will also lead to fat in the long run from your metabolism slowing down. Furthermore, your heart is not efficient as it was which will be hard for your body to transfer oxygen around for ENERGY to be used.
Having a calorie balance diet would make sense if you were not exercising but you said that calorie in vs calorie out is what it's all about. I am saying it not because:
- You burn muscle instead of fat
- Eating more fat even though you haven't used that fat as energy in the gym
- Metabolism is slowing down due to your muscles not being fed what it needs and also not eating enough (because fat supplies to much energy even though you ate hardly anything)
- Heart is not efficient and body can't transfer blood therefore oxygen to working muscles
Why this diet would be bad and fatal:
- Your whole body is going backwards because your brain isn't getting glucose or glycogen
- Since fat is only fat and doesn't contain vitamins calcium etc... your bones will become fragile going into osteoporosis.
- impact growth and could increase cholesterol levels
- stroke, heart attack, angina, hypertension
Restating:
So a calorie balance means energy intake equals energy expenditure... Because you are exercising you will need more calories for your energy in the gym. Too bad you won't be using the fat in the gym rather muscle. Since your body hasn't lost that fat and your going to supply more of it to your body the next day. You will end up FAT!
Well in the long run, if you ate only fat, you would die from a lack of protein. You said "high fat" diet, not only fat diet. Also, you said milk would make you fat because it contains fat. Milk contains carbs and proteins too, which is why I thought a low carb high fat moderate protein study would be well suited for our argument. You never defined what you meant by "high fat" so I could not have known you meant all fat.
However, with an all fat diet, energy balance still holds when it comes to weight change. You will lose muscle even if you don't train on an all fat diet because you're not eating protein, if you're then in a calorie balance so you don't lose weight, then you'd lose muscle and replace that weight by fat, so with an all fat diet you would get fat and lose muscle. You should have defined your argument better. And you can't go from milk makes you fat because it contains fat to saying a diet consisting only of fat will make you fat. And you certainly can't say that high fat milk will make you fat because eating an all fat diet will make you fat.
However, with an all fat diet, energy balance still holds when it comes to weight change. You will lose muscle even if you don't train on an all fat diet because you're not eating protein, if you're then in a calorie balance so you don't lose weight, then you'd lose muscle and replace that weight by fat, so with an all fat diet you would get fat and lose muscle. You should have defined your argument better. And you can't go from milk makes you fat because it contains fat to saying a diet consisting only of fat will make you fat. And you certainly can't say that high fat milk will make you fat because eating an all fat diet will make you fat.
What i said in the previous comment was what i was trying to say the whole time. I shouldn't have to mention only fat diet because 'karky' was saying it is all about calories in vs calories out. So it doesn't matter if it is just fat or carbs etc. He is trying to say that it doesn't matter, what matters is calories in vs calories out. I'm saying that it's also what's in them, and the whole time he misunderstood which is why i went in a circle because he wasn't understanding what i was saying.
SXIPro - I'm not going to defend what i say unless I'm wrong, i don't go in circles until I'm right. I was right the whole time since when i said that drinking a gallon of milk a day will make you fat. Now, if i need to explain this to someone who doesn't understand why. It's hard an i might end up in a circle because there is to much information to say when all i can do is type on this forum....
SXIPro - Why don't you go into politics since you know what it's all about.
SXIPro - I'm not going to defend what i say unless I'm wrong, i don't go in circles until I'm right. I was right the whole time since when i said that drinking a gallon of milk a day will make you fat. Now, if i need to explain this to someone who doesn't understand why. It's hard an i might end up in a circle because there is to much information to say when all i can do is type on this forum....
SXIPro - Why don't you go into politics since you know what it's all about.
Well in the long run, if you ate only fat, you would die from a lack of protein. You said "high fat" diet, not only fat diet. Also, you said milk would make you fat because it contains fat. Milk contains carbs and proteins too, which is why I thought a low carb high fat moderate protein study would be well suited for our argument. You never defined what you meant by "high fat" so I could not have known you meant all fat.
However, with an all fat diet, energy balance still holds when it comes to weight change. You will lose muscle even if you don't train on an all fat diet because you're not eating protein, if you're then in a calorie balance so you don't lose weight, then you'd lose muscle and replace that weight by fat, so with an all fat diet you would get fat and lose muscle. You should have defined your argument better. And you can't go from milk makes you fat because it contains fat to saying a diet consisting only of fat will make you fat. And you certainly can't say that high fat milk will make you fat because eating an all fat diet will make you fat.
Originally someone said drink a gallon of milk a day, that's when i said it will make you fat. I'm not saying drinking milk will make you fat, a gallon of milk will. I'm not going to have to debate over this or whatever just think about it an you will figure it out.
I said when it comes to weight gain it is all about calories in vs calories out. I also specifically said that you could gain fat in a calorie balance if you lost muscle and gained fat, in an equivalent amount of energy as that you lost from muscle, at the same time. Then I said that this is unlikely even on a high fat diet if you do resistance training. Note that I did not say an all fat diet, but a high fat diet.
If drinking a galleon of milk a day will make you fat it is because it will move you into a positive energy balance. Milk contains protein and carbs as well and there is no reason to think that drinking milk will make you lose muscle mass, certainly not if you do resistance training.
If drinking a galleon of milk a day will make you fat it is because it will move you into a positive energy balance. Milk contains protein and carbs as well and there is no reason to think that drinking milk will make you lose muscle mass, certainly not if you do resistance training.
The only reason why you said you could gain fat in a calorie balance if you lost muscle and gained fat was because i explained it to you. You were against what i was saying so don't say this like you knew this because you didn't understand before.
"Note that I did not say an all fat diet, but a high fat diet" Even if it was a high fat diet you would still gained fat because there is less carbs for weight training therefore you will still kick into protein for energy. Still have fat, and eat more fat. So this defeats the purpose of you mentioning high fat low carb.
I said that drinking a gallon of milk a day will make you fat and it will. I know what calorie balance is and you say you do too. So are you in a calorie surplus if you drink a gallon of milk a day? yes of course it is, now this is why i said you will get fat and defeats the purpose of you even mentioning calorie balance etc.
"Note that I did not say an all fat diet, but a high fat diet" Even if it was a high fat diet you would still gained fat because there is less carbs for weight training therefore you will still kick into protein for energy. Still have fat, and eat more fat. So this defeats the purpose of you mentioning high fat low carb.
I said that drinking a gallon of milk a day will make you fat and it will. I know what calorie balance is and you say you do too. So are you in a calorie surplus if you drink a gallon of milk a day? yes of course it is, now this is why i said you will get fat and defeats the purpose of you even mentioning calorie balance etc.
If that gallon of milk puts you in a caloric surplus it will make you gain weight. If it doesn't, it won't.
1 gal whole milk 2400 cals
1 gal 2% milk 2080 cals
1 gal 1% milk 1760 cals
1 gal skim milk 1280 cals
So if you are burning the amount of calories above or more, plus burning enoug calories to burn off the caloric intake from other foods you consumed you are not going to gain fat.
And I'll leave the politics to folks that ramble on and on pretending to know it all, instead of stopping and thinking, "you know what maybe I blew it on this one."
Don't be upset that you are wrong on this issue. Seriously. No one knows everything.
Remember sometimes it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
1 gal whole milk 2400 cals
1 gal 2% milk 2080 cals
1 gal 1% milk 1760 cals
1 gal skim milk 1280 cals
So if you are burning the amount of calories above or more, plus burning enoug calories to burn off the caloric intake from other foods you consumed you are not going to gain fat.
And I'll leave the politics to folks that ramble on and on pretending to know it all, instead of stopping and thinking, "you know what maybe I blew it on this one."
Don't be upset that you are wrong on this issue. Seriously. No one knows everything.
Remember sometimes it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.