because i'm worth it!! (aren't we all??!)

[baglady2713]

.....hahaha.....slaker veggies!!!...is that what you call yourselves!!!? !!!

...you aren't slacker....not one bit....!!! Not in my eyes...and I want RAW SUSHI SASHIMI salad tonight....honestly...i just might ham some down....it is RAW isn't it ......maybe an exception!!!

....And I did : catch that blurb about you being a CHEESE fanatic...I assume you eat all dairy, eggs, and fish too right?....I also decided that I wanted to limit my consumption of Soy products to almost none because of the disturbing things I heard about soy and leaching calcium from the body.......

....I'm telling you...you could find an article out there and some "study" that corroborates that ANYTHING and EVERYTHING this planet offers us is bad!!! WTF?!?!! ...go to hell PEOPLE!!....gimme fish! hahah.... !!! hahah....

ooooooh sushi!!!! yum yum....

anyway i have it on expert authority...that fish don't feel pain...ok one fisherman actually...but its my own getoutofnoteatingfishcard....hahaha so i will elaborate/lie my ass off if i have to...anything to maintain my denial!!!! LOL

schwa sometimes only ass will do...

as for my non meat eating...or rather...not eating red meat or poultry for those pedantic type veggies on here (i hear there are a lot of them around...) it has to do with not wanting to eat any furry/feathery creatures as to me they are sentient beings...even > a few human beings i've known...

why do i not feel the same way about fish?? no idea..but then my body my choice!!! so...whatever....as for those who say i shouldn't call myself a veggie as the woman on amazon did...sue me...

i also cook meat for friends/family...i'm not one of 'those' veggies who try to convert with shock tactics...like my sons GF...we don't get along!!!

 

[Alta818]

ooooooh sushi!!!! yum yum....

anyway i have it on expert authority...that fish don't feel pain...ok one fisherman actually...but its my own getoutofnoteatingfishcard....hahaha so i will elaborate/lie my ass off if i have to...anything to maintain my denial!!!! LOL

schwa sometimes only ass will do...

as for my non meat eating...or rather...not eating red meat or poultry for those pedantic type veggies on here (i hear there are a lot of them around...) it has to do with not wanting to eat any furry/feathery creatures as to me they are sentient beings...even > a few human beings i've known...

why do i not feel the same way about fish?? no idea..but then my body my choice!!! so...whatever....as for those who say i shouldn't call myself a veggie as the woman on amazon did...sue me...

i also cook meat for friends/family...i'm not one of 'those' veggies who try to convert with shock tactics...like my sons GF...we don't get along!!!

hahaha....SHOCK TACTICS!!!...haha....how might that be....in what sense?...the COOKING...or the FACTS? hahah.... or BOTH? :!!!...that's funny you guys don't get along. I'm sure he loves it! My mom actually called me this morning too about my brother's girlfriend....LOL!!!

....and I feel much better about my craving now with your GETOUTOFJAILfree&EatFISH card!! hahah!!! you are so FUNNY!! !!!

....and I often have had flashes of the furry fellows in my mouth as I'm eating the chicken before...woooo....shoulda took it as a sign maybe!! hahah!!!

....and I will still cook food for the bf too, though he has still been being good and avoiding the chicken and meat...and I tested him the other day too with pizza! He ate the cheese.......but took of the pepperoni's!! Good for him!! Go figure...not such a carnivore after all eh!!?! hahah!!! !

 

[baglady2713]

the GF situation???? oh don't get me started...i always figured i'd be the cool mom type y'know that the GF secretly liked > her own mum...my darkside again

but noooooooo was soooooo not meant to be...
i blame my son as he got us off on totally the wrong foot...
when i asked him what she was like before we met...he said the opposite of you!!? WTF?? does the umbilical cord mean nothing to him?????? apparently NOT...plus i thought hmmmm well i'm fab so that must mean shes a bit of a cow then...

god only knows what he told her about me???! i wouldn't mind but i have always got on with all his friends. a few of them have even stayed here for awhile when they weren't getting along with their own parents etc...

anyway there was a bit of an incident (i'm sure i've babbled about it on here somewhere...) & i may have said (in the heat of the moment...) she bores the knickers off me...he may have told her...& its been downhill ever since!!

no love lost either side...even before she spoke i knew we wouldn't get along...she reminded me of my older sister in both looks & manner...which is NEVER a good thing...as we're like oil & water basically...btw IT'S NOT ME IT'S THEM!!! ALL OF THEM!!!! of course their opinion may differ...hahaha

luckily my son & i came though it relatively unscathed...PMT played a slight part too...jesus...i was a hormonally unbalanced woman who'd just had her 41st birthday...i can't be held responsible for every single little blummin thing that may have slipped out of my mouth !!! (actually it wasn't quite a slip...more like a demented torrent of crap that spewed forth from my gob...)

 

[Schwa]

what about our spark (won't say spirit just for you !! LOL) our energy?? the thing that makes us tick?? that makes us 'us' our uniqueness??

Heh, I’m loving these talks. They’re very interesting! I know we’re talking about some pretty heavy stuff, and I’ve discovered through experience that sometimes people think I’m being confrontational by disagreeing with their perspective. So as a disclaimer, I assure you I’m just expressing my opinion in a chat with a friend. I’m as easy going as they come. But if you’re ever offended anyway just tell me to shut my trap. LOL!

Well, I guess it goes without saying that I kinda disagree with you. Hehe I don’t think some of what you said can stand up to the facts, and in those cases where we don’t have ALL the facts I feel like the possibility of sprits, gods, magic and such seems like the most unlikely of available conclusions.

It seems to me that biology can account for our personalities nearly 100%, and we’re learning more about how our bodies work every day. Even the way in which we develop (both physically and mentally) by means situational or environmental factors and influences can be translated to biological explanations.

The identical twin example doesn’t hold water because even monozygotic twins are far from identical. Their DNA is only nearly the same, and they’re each subjected to different environmental factors from the moment their cells separate, even in the womb. The fact that many twins grow up to be completely different people is also easily explained by their varying life experiences, increased need for defined self-identity (common in twins), and the dynamics of sibling relationships to name a few possibilities.

Our emotions aren’t much of a mystery either. Emotions are chemically generated responses in our brains, and we can literally induce specific emotions in human beings by altering chemical balances. Both illicit drugs and prescriptions drugs offer a slew of examples. Even love has a very reasonable biological and evolutionary explanation.

Here’s another scary example… We tend to define ourselves as our egos. Alan Watts would say that for some reason we define ourselves as “something” that exists midway between the ears and a couple of inches behind the eyes. lol. That’s the ego. In my field I’ve had the opportunity to work with many individuals living with brain injury. Now there’s an interesting bunch to say the least! What’s most fascinating to me is the manner in which some people change after brain injury (even after mild brain injury). I’m not referring to the people who can no longer speak, or those that can hardly function at all (although those are interesting examples in their own right). The ones that really interest me are those whose personalities are suddenly and completely altered after their injury. I remember one fella in particular who was as high functioning as any human being, the only difference being that his likes and dislikes had all changed after his injury. He now enjoyed different music, different art, and different movies. He associated with different friends and no longer loved his wife, but yet he found that he could establish and engage in other romantic relationships just fine… the list goes on. If “who we are” and the way we identify ourselves can be changed so easily… what are we really? I don’t even want to bring up dementia and Alzheimer's?

So yeah, with such a variety of different chemical factories chugging away through people’s brains, paired with genetic influences, paired with environmental factors, paired with cultural influences, paired with dietary influences, etc… I mean WOW, no wonder we’re all so different.

This is usually the point where I ask myself which of these options is more likely, 1) The aforementioned factors account for our many differences, or 2) that something presently unknowable to me accounts for what we are, or 3) that a spirit, god, spark, or whatever accounts for what we are. My prickly brain would find it to be a bizarre jump to conclusions if I went with anything listed under option 3 without first ruling out 1 and 2… and since you can never really rule out option 2, I would never choose option 3 unless the truth of spirits or gods or whatever became knowable to me. See where I’m coming from?

So this leads me to another question… Why do so many people choose option 3? I think the answer is simple. It’s the most attractive option.

To be fair I’m certainly not saying that the whole spirit or gods thing isn’t a possibility, it’s just that given the information that we DO have, why settle upon the most unlikely of possible conclusions?

Oh, and about the little green men. I wouldn’t say that I believe in them nor would I say that I don’t believe in them. Yes, the universe is massive beyond anything that I can comprehend, but we know so little about life and its origins. For all I know life could be as common in the universe as ants are to my backyard, or perhaps life itself is the result of a loving god’s magic touch and there’s no means for life to pop up anywhere else in the Universe. If I were forced to make a guess I would lean towards believing that life exists elsewhere in the Universe, but I don’t think that any of our planetary neighbors have been visiting Earth

 

[baglady2713]

we could never ever really agree (vive la difference!!) as we are starting off from two totally different points...whereas you believe we are what we are, as a result purely of our biological & situational factors...i believe that our nature comes first & that it is our very nature that leads us to seek out certain experiences, certain ppl & r/ships, what we do for a living...our very characters for me determine these things...i think we come into the world with certain set points & i don't think they or our charcaters vary very much despite our subsequent environments or the nurture that we receive...i was always a bolshie type questioning everything even my fathers 'right' to hit me...which of course led to more beatings...my elder sister didn't question it...cried on cue & so was hit far less.

from what i've managed to glean from other/older family members my dad & i never got along from the word go...& i was always 'this way'...confrontational (so don't ever be worried about my taking offence...confrontation is all i know!! ) stubborn...refusing to bow down to anyone. don't get me wrong i have a lot of time & respect for those ppl i do respect but none at all for those i don't care for IYKWIM. (my mouthiness has came in handy too at times...i've been on several protest marches...for the free tibet campaign for eg...yes you'd definitely want me in your corner fighting your battles with you rather than against you!! thats for sure!! LOL)

you would say this all as a result of biology??! i don't believe that that, even with similar environmental factors, can account for such differences between siblings(btw i did say that identical twins aren't actually identical but as close to it as we've got...) what about the old twin studies that found that even when separated at birth (different environments/nurture)...twins often ended up with astounding similarities in their lives...choosing the same names for their children/same hairstyles/careers/similar looking partners...even the same colour & make of their cars!!

theres was a study done on ppl who as a result of an accident/illness had ended up in a wheelchair & lottery winners...to see how much their change of circumstances had altered their outlook on life...basically they found...it really hadn't. if a person had been a bit of a grump before their accident they were still a grumpy bastard...just one confined to a wheelchair...likewise if a person had been a bit of a wanker (translation...a very annoying person) prior to winning the lotto...he would still be an asshole...albeit one with a lot more money...worked other way too. happy go lucky types were still positive thinkers & generally upbeat ppl despite now finding themselves disabled...& goes without saying that these same happy types...on winning the big bucks...were still felt very happy & felt very fortunate...lucky sods!!!!

think you mentioned the effect of drugs on personality?? in my experience epecially with cocaine...ppl don't change exacty...its that their very characteristics are more heightened...so an angry type?? scary on cocaine!!
with LSD or other trippy substances...skunk for instance...ppl who are of a nervy disposition (like me...LOL) should avoid at all costs...you don't want to go there...believe me........btw i haven't even smoked a joint for yrs now


& how do you account for a persons will?? what of Jean-Dominique Bauby who by sheer will alone, in a body all but broken down, dictated a book using the only non-paralysed, movable part left on his entire body...his left eyelid??? to me that is/was nothing less than a triumph of the human spirit to endure against all odds.

as for dementia and Alzheimer's...i worked for an Alzheimer's charity several yrs ago...arranging volunteer befrienders for those suffering/living with both Alzheimer's and dementia. what amazed me was...despite the evident damage to their brain...they were still very much themselves. i remember there was a very colourful charcater...a lady who had apparently been quite a 'girl' in her day...very flirty...with a few affairs to her belt so to speak...who despite not knowing or recognising her family members (though many had disowned her long ago due to her overt flirtatiousness...including her own daughter) she was still a terrible bloody flirt...& whenever isaw her she'd immediately grab my arm & say come on lets go out together!!? i wonder..did she recognise a little of herself in me?? maybe a slight flirtiness in me too?? noooo!! not possible i'm a wallflower!! & anyway i don't do affairs (already established the detective thing doesn't count...LOL) i'm just touchy feely & open with everybody...friends/partners & faithful...i just dump or divorce them!!!

i see some similarities with those ppl aflicted by Alzheimer's and to a degree those ppl who suffer with schizophrenia...with autism...namely their 'otherworldiness'. my youngest son is autistic. but autism is not the whole of finn. it does not i believe determine his character, though as a brain 'disorder' (hate to use that word) his neural pathways have been set down differently to ours...to me he is just that...different not damaged. he is a very feisty,very funny little boy who can also be a bloody handful at times...usually if not getting his own way LOL...but i don't believe there is another finn trapped inside himself waiting to get out/be cured. i accept him 100% as he is...despite even my lack of sleep/social & yes even sex life...or the times at 4am when i'm knackered & hes been repeating the same phrase (usually lines from a cartoon/movie) over & over again for an hr & i feel like i want to run screaming from the house!!!! oh how i can laugh now!! just hope i haven't jinxed myself for later...of course you won't believe in jinxes/tempting fate or curses or hexes hahaha...but wheres the blummin fun in that???! even Einstein said...

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

"A person starts to live when he can live outside himself."

anyhoo....
in summary i believe us to be > the mere sum of our parts...

 

[baglady2713]

"When you come to the edge of all the light you have, and must take a step into the darkness of the unknown, believe that one of two things will happen to you: either there will be something solid for you to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."

Patrick Overton (poet, playwright, author, speaker)

 

[cinderelly]

"When you come to the edge of all the light you have, and must take a step into the darkness of the unknown, believe that one of two things will happen to you: either there will be something solid for you to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."

Patrick Overton (poet, playwright, author, speaker)

HA I LOVE THIS but...When I read it I am thinking, if ther eisnt somethign for me to stand on then I would fall, LOL...

Girl your diary is a bit to much for me to keep up with

 

[baglady2713]

probably all a little too gooey for you schwa & i know you don't like jung...LOL

life can be difficult at times... thats how i think we're supposed to learn...about life/love/giving/receiving/acceptance etc. i don't think its meant to be 'happy clappy'...

'human soul not meant to be understood'
thomas moore

buddhism teaches the concept of engaged detachment...that we need to be fully in the here & now...caught up in the moment...in all the drama & pathos...but aware also that we are all part of the great impersonal oneness...which means acceptance of our impermanence (as a living, breathing physical human being...schwa i still think this leaves me room to float off into the ether or other dimensions!! who knows??!) a wave doesn't worry about being the ocean. it just is...

so therefore we should...

enjoy life as it were a movie!!??
(cool)

we should accept moments of sadness & disappointment aswell as moments of happiness & creativity...not passive but receptive...

jung believed that we should 'take care of the soul' the unconscious depository of experiences to be accepted & valued...

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i have a lot of time for buddhism & admire & aspire to a lot of its teachings...its not really a religion as such more a way of thinking/being...even so i can't get my head around this concept of the impersonal sense of 'I' being the only part left of us to go on elsewhere...i want the very personal sense of 'me me me' to go on too...me, myself & i as it were as to me its our very unique energies & sense of self that make us all so blummin special...why leave that behind???

edit no.2 (LOL)...
lately i have thought about how easier it would be actually if did just believe wholeheartedly in just one faith/religion instead of my own electic approach....a bit from here & a little from there (like a pick 'n' mix!!?) i almost envy ppl who do...when not that long ago i would have thought hmmmm blind faith more like...yes that still holds true...but now i see that adhering to one faith would stop these incessant bloody questions that plague me!!!!

then again...Einstein said...

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing."


have you noticed i think einstein gives good quote??! in fact now i think about it i may have to bump stephen hawking for the old guy instead...i mean just look...


whats not to love??!

& if we both still didn't have questions or doubts (ok maybe thats just me!! LOL) we wouldn't be having these little talks would we???!

edit no.3??!! (ok no more posting for me today!!)
just found another quote by jung which is very apt too...

As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.
Carl Jung, "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", 1962

 

[baglady2713]

to relly....

HA I LOVE THIS but...When I read it I am thinking, if ther eisnt somethign for me to stand on then I would fall, LOL...

Girl your diary is a bit to much for me to keep up with

yeah i suppose me & schwa have derailed slightly over the last few days...sorry about that...i'm sure i'll be back to my usual salacious comments in no time...i have added to the debate about what semen tastes like on the joke thread too though

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hmmmmm can't remember exactly but i have the nagging feeling that i possibly may have...inadvertently...started the aformentioned debate.......LOL

 

[Schwa]

hmmmmm can't remember exactly but i have the nagging feeling that i possibly may have...inadvertently...started the aformentioned debate.......LOL

Yes! I blame you! lol

Clearly we're both throwing pebbles at brick walls, so we can probably cease the distracting discussions if you'd like. lol. It's funny how two people can undergo great effort to educate themselves on a wide variety of subjects and come to two diametrically opposed perspectives. In truth, I really value speaking about this kind of stuff with someone who doesn't share my point of view. I have nothing to learn from someone who just nods their head in agreement with me, or someone who refuses to speak with me because my opinions somehow offend their sensibilities. So thanks

If you want to continue our discussion perhaps we should do so via PM's. Wouldn't want your journal to become debate central on my account. lol

 

[baglady2713]

oooooooh no love don't bail on us now!!!! LOL

there could be at least one other little likeminded soul on WLF who also thinks about this stuff & now feels totally 'normal' after listening to us two ramble on...i tend to have that affect on ppl!!

anyway...i have a few other things waiting to pour forth out of my head...also as i am getting on it does me good to exercise my old thinking cap a bit...(tried that blummin big brain academy...& i'm really crap at it...finns embarrased for me LOL)

but its probably going to get a lot lot gooier from here on in...i warn you!!! clairvoyants maybe mentioned...be honest you want to run screaming to the hills now don't you???!! hahaha....

anyway...re sauciness...i blame chef...
i went on the kelly ripa/too skinny thread...& ended up in a 'discussion' about fake tits...........& me being a good girl & all...well for this past week anyway....

of course it could be my hometown influence...liverpool is a seaport after all & has had lots of bawdy seamen & dockers in its day...i used to 'serve' as a barmaid in my nans pub when i was about...oooooh 5/6 yrs old???!!! even now the smell of whiskey & ciggies makes me smile...btw i don't smoke or drink whiskey (well except for baileys...that has whiskey in it...yum!!) i mean i like the smell of it on men!!!

so yes one of the many reasons i should keep my posts short (never going to happen!!!) is to prevent my bawdy nature from getting the better of me...LOL

could also be the irish in me....well not literally...see there i go lowering the bloody tone again....hahaha....goodnight all...its getting on for 3am here....

 

[Schwa]

Uh oh, watch out everyone. Sounds like our resident Dr. Ruth might take the podium again.

And please, feel free to use clairvoyants in your next argument. I thoroughly enjoy thrashing their "craft." lol

 

[baglady2713]

just a quick one for now...

got waylaid by the kelly ripa thread again...thought i might have disclosed a little too much last night re boobs LOL alls well though of course i've just went on to reveal a little something else...no not about another body part!!

anyhoo...........
back to a more serious note...well serious for a gooey person LOL

so what about things you can’t explain??? Or do you think theres no such thing????

hmmmmm.....ok mr smartypants...

here is a little story re clairvoyance...
feel free to slag off or explain if you can!!!


about 20 yrs ago of one my close GF's was engaged to be married to a close friend of hubbie no.1...he like hubbie no.1 was 'a bit of a lad' as we say here in liverpool. one day he held up a security van on his own & as he was making his getaway on a motorbike the shotgun went off accidentally & shot him in the stomach. he died almost instantly. he was about 23 i think. not an angel obviously...but very charming & funny all the same...quite a character...when he wasn't carrying out holdups of course.............

my eldest was only one yrs old...that day i'd taken him to the park for a picnic & so i had not watched the news local or otherwise...nor read the local paper...this was waaaaay before even mobile phones/texts...yes i'm 'that' old LOL....anyway...i couldn't shake a sick feeling that something had happened & i came home earlier than planned...to the sound of the phone ringing...

even before i heard my friends voice...i just knew it was her...yet we never spoke on the phone really that much...yes her fiance was my hubbies pal but we never did the couples thing together...in fact we hadn't spoken for about 2 wks...still she didn't have to tell me anything...right away i said its **** isn't it?? she was crying so much at first she couldn't have told me anything anyway. what was the feeling i had?? how did i know it was her?? (knowing whos on the phone happens a lot...as it does for lots of other ppl too. i am also able to sense an atmosphere in a room too when i walk into it...i can 'feel' if theres just been an argument for eg...its like prickles run down my spine) how did i know something had happened to her guy?? & not mine?? he was out of the house at the time too.


a few mths later i went to see a clairvoyant/medium at another friends house...she told me a few things about my family that 'had passed over...' that she couldn't have known...that no one knew in fact...little things i'd never mentioned to anyone...about times spent with my nan & grandad for eg. (apparently re-telling little details like this is the way a spirit lets you know its really them...yes i know you'll say bollox!! well maybe not bollox as you seem like such a polite gent ) towards the end of the reading she said i have a young man in spirit who wants to make contact with you (i swear i get chills all over again just typing that...can i just state for the 'record' that this medium was unknown to myself or the friend who arranged it...she got her number off another friend...& none of them knew or knew of the friend whos fiance had died either)

tbh i was a little surprised as like i said i knew the lad but not very well...probably b/c he was always up to no good!! anyway the message i got didn't make much sense to me at the time...nor to my hubbie who i had assumed the message had been for...& i all but forgot about it...though i did let my GF know about it...as the medium had urged me to pass the message on.

about 18 mths later still not fully over her loss my GF wanted me to go with her to a medium too hoping to make contact with ****. she'd never been to one before & asked me to go into the room with her & the medium. almost immediately the medium said i can see wings...huge great golden wings...i had no clue whether it meant anything at all. she then said its an eagle...& my friend started to weep softly. she then described a large white georgian mansion type house with lion statues at the entrance...& said **** told me to tell you he has the house!!? at which point my GF just lost it crying & sobbing but almost laughing too which i thought quite strange until she told us why...

a few wks before **** had died they'd been looking through a country homes type mag choosing which fancy houses were their faves (haven't we all done something similar?!) **** chose a white georgian mansion with lion statues just outside the front door...


(maybe it looked a little something like this?!)

& the eagle with golden wings??? in a separate convo **** had spoke about what he'd like to come back as, if reincarnated...he said (you've guessed it!!) a large golden eagle...do i think he is a golden eagle now?? no of course not. but i do believe he used both the eagle & the white house details as a way of assuring my friend it really was him...she had not shared any of the details of those conversations with anyone...they were just passing fancies at the time.

schwa...if you can explain these things away for me i'd love to hear it

the medium then went on to to tell my GF lots of other things...that my GF had no doubt she was passing on from ****. i believe it was to bring her both comfort in her grief (such as...i'm ok don't worry i'm with my grandad...with yet more details...mr cynic!!) & also hope for the future too. some of the things i remember are quite personal but i do recall 'him' describing the man he had his eye on for her when she was ready...

6 months later she met a man at her new job (she had not told the medium she was even thinking about changing her job) who was exactly as she'd described....the same initials...colour of hair (blonde...which she had dimissed as she had always gone for dark types)...even his character was as described - mature, hardworking, responsible...well **** had said her new man would be nothing like him....(he always was a bit of a joker)

her new man was/is...they have now been happily married for more yrs than i can remember, with 2 kids...suffice to say that they have done really well for themselves too...& have now just moved to a very exclusive area of liverpool (i live in a nice quiet, but not so posh area!!) & i wouldn't be at all surprised if they had two blummin lion statues in their front drive too!!!


as for the message i received all those yrs ago...when i met hubbie-to-be no.2 i was surprised to learn that he too had been a close friend of ****'s...but not friends with hubbie no.1...**** had had a lot of mates!! i remembered the message & told him about it...he went white...he was in no doubt that i had been meant to tell him...the details he then went on to tell me made me believe that too. it was to do with the day **** had died & a conversation hubbie-to-be no.2 had had with him...no.2 (sorry easier to no. them!!) was quite freaked out by it all actually as he was not a gooey type at all...but he knew that he had not shared details of their last convo with anyone either.


"The only real valuable thing is intuition."
albert einstein



as usual been typing this on & off for a while now...when i had the chance & copying & refreshing....& finally finished it!! & not so short after all hahaha....

 

[baglady2713]

Uh oh, watch out everyone. Sounds like our resident Dr. Ruth might take the podium again.

And please, feel free to use clairvoyants in your next argument. I thoroughly enjoy thrashing their "craft." lol

jesus!! is dr ruth that tiny little woman?? is she still going???!

 

[baglady2713]

oh schwa.........

you sly one you!!!!!!!!

you answered my post by pm!! why????

did you think more readers might side with my gooey POV??! LOL

i'll try & put my more serious hat on (if i can find it) & answer your pm in detail later...but tbh from first glance i can see more similarities than difference...

i'm not asking you to turn your whole belief system upside down...just to acknowledge the possiblity that for all your talk of not being able to prove its true you can't prove its not true...neither of us can prove or cite any belief 100% either way...you can't prove it was not contact with the spirit realm...& all i'm saying is that if history has shown us anything...we should always leave room for 'something other than' what we think we know at any moment in time...

my take on agnosticism...is that it views certain things for eg the existence of an afterlife/spirits/even god...as unprovable or unknown...but i don't disagree with that...i just look at it from the opposing side...just b/c you can't prove something is not true...doesn't make it so...

btw i have a knack for remembering exact conversations/arguments/even the words/tone used... from childhood too...it drives my family (especially my mother) insane LOL what i recounted above is how it happened...(99% certain...i'll give you 1%!!) no hints were given from ourselves at the reading, we didn't speak to her beyond pleasantries such as hello etc & despite my gooeyness i got an A in both my Psychology & Sociology A levels...both of which involved conducting several interviews & experiments with statistical analysis...so i am certainly capable of spotting leading questions!!!


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just realised you don't do A levels in the US...we do GCSE's (O levels in my day being elderly!!) at 16 & A's at 18. depending on what university degree you do...you have to have usually 3 or 4 at certain grades. i needed 3 to do Psychology at uni. though i still think A levels were harder...having to learn everything you'd ever studied in 2 yrs for one day of exams!! though now they do course work too.
always wanted to know do you leave highschool at 18 like we leave sixth form college?? as don't you start school at 5/6 & not 4/5??


edit 2...
realised too that i said i was going to send you a more serious reply in the pm & i was just as flippant in that!! sorry!! just my nature i guess...

"Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious."
Peter Ustinov

found some more Peter Ustinov (actor/writer/journalist/raconteur...i thought he was just lovely...very clever & very cuddly...my kinda guy!!) quotes just for you...that i thought were quite relevant to our discussions....

"...the great thing about history is that it is adaptable."

"The habit of religion is oppressive, an easy way out of thought."

"Beliefs are what divide people. Doubt unites them."
(does this mean we can agree to differ???!!)


edit 3...

in my 'something other than' what we think we know bit...i should have mentioned electromagnetism & the electromagnetic spectrum...i mean who can say what other possible electromagnetic radiation frequencies we might pick up/'discover' one day??? radio waves, microwaves, infrared radiation, ultraviolet radiation, X-rays and gamma rays...all these existed before we discovered them...& before machines were invented capable of harnessing & utilising their power...so are other spheres of existence/parallel universes/wavelengths so beyond the realm of possiblity??? i don't think so...


"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
Albert Einstein

 

[kureransu]

hi bl, just checking in you and schwa are in digression land, so i have just been a voyuer to your thread for a while. anyways congrats on the extra pound and keep up the good work!

 

[baglady2713]

another lb yeah.............

hi bl, just checking in you and schwa are in digression land, so i have just been a voyuer to your thread for a while. anyways congrats on the extra pound and keep up the good work!

but i want to lose moreeeeeeeeeeeeeee & quicker god dammit!!!!!! LOL
its getting lovely & sunny here...if still a little chilly...but summer clothes will be on the horizon soon enough....& bugger bugger bugger...the more i think about how much i've got to lose...............the more i want to just eat everything in my blummin cupboard/fridge...oh & the neighbours too....on both sides of the house!!!


edit....
anything that keeps my mind off raiding the cupboards at the mo...yes even me & schwas lengthy rambles has to be a good thing!!!!!

my willpower is slippinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg.....!!!!!!

I WANT TO EAT ALL THE NAUGHTY THINGS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!

 

[baglady2713]

Live laugh love

live well
laugh often
love much

 

[kureransu]

hey hey steady goes it. the slower you lose it the most likely it will stay off!!! stay sharp and focused! nooo naugty things... at least to eat anyway.....

 

[baglady2713]

ooooooh kureransu you saucy thing you