Any one on the HCG diet?

A) Jeremy - insult is insult, no matter if it is aimed specifically at somebody or just at the broad masses. And fortunately for you, I wasn't on when Jericho edited the second one out of your post. I wouldn't have just edited it.


B) I am comparing using one dangerous substance with massive side effects which was not originally intended to be used for weight loss (HCG) to another dangerous substance with massive side effects which was not originally intended to be used for weight loss (ecstasy). As far as comparing those two, yes, HCG is legal, ecstasy is not. If you 'do your homework' however, you will notice that a lot of actual 'weight loss pills', including those available on prescription, contain the same ingredients as the 'common' ecastsy (mainly amphetamins and phenethylamins). So, your connection between illegal drugs and weight loss pills is a hell lot shorter than you think.


So, let me (for the sake of being precise) rephrase the question....if the OP would take a pill that has known side effects ranging from damage to the nervous system to strokes, and that is known to be highly addictive, but she says it helps her to lose weight, would you still encourage her to keep taking it? Regardless of the fact that it is dangerous, can permanently damage her health, and hasn't been around long enough to know what the long term damage could be, you would still tell them to 'keep it up'. Especially if there is another, entirely healthy, risk-free method to achieve exactly the same (probably actually better) result?


If that's what you consider support, then I think you might need to sit down and think long and hard about that for a while. Support doesn't mean to just sit there and say 'Yeah, you're doing great, keep going' while somebody is potentially doing something dangerous. Real support also means to point out that something might not be the best idea, and to stop somebody from doing something that might harm them.
 
Sorry, not sure you know the whole situation of the infraction. It was not about the word used. Since you don't know the nature of the infraction or insult, maybe you need not to jump the gun here. This had nothing to do with the diet but with forum rules.
 
Originally Posted by San


A) Jeremy - insult is insult, no matter if it is aimed specifically at somebody or just at the broad masses. And fortunately for you, I wasn't on when Jericho edited the second one out of your post. I wouldn't have just edited it.



B) I am comparing using one dangerous substance with massive side effects which was not originally intended to be used for weight loss (HCG) to another dangerous substance with massive side effects which was not originally intended to be used for weight loss (ecstasy). As far as comparing those two, yes, HCG is legal, ecstasy is not. If you 'do your homework' however, you will notice that a lot of actual 'weight loss pills', including those available on prescription, contain the same ingredients as the 'common' ecastsy (mainly amphetamins and phenethylamins). So, your connection between illegal drugs and weight loss pills is a hell lot shorter than you think.



So, let me (for the sake of being precise) rephrase the question....if the OP would take a pill that has known side effects ranging from damage to the nervous system to strokes, and that is known to be highly addictive, but she says it helps her to lose weight, would you still encourage her to keep taking it? Regardless of the fact that it is dangerous, can permanently damage her health, and hasn't been around long enough to know what the long term damage could be, you would still tell them to 'keep it up'. Especially if there is another, entirely healthy, risk-free method to achieve exactly the same (probably actually better) result?



If that's what you consider support, then I think you might need to sit down and think long and hard about that for a while. Support doesn't mean to just sit there and say 'Yeah, you're doing great, keep going' while somebody is potentially doing something dangerous. Real support also means to point out that something might not be the best idea, and to stop somebody from doing something that might harm them.
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oh yes fortunate for me!!!


Again the logic in this is majorly flawed. I wish you actually read about amphetamins before just throwing it out there, They are used for many things, and in many drugs. SAFELY.. like ADD medicine, and also appetite supressents. So saying because its an ingredient within Ecstasy its bad, that is a major misconception. hell they have baking soda in crack does that mean baking soda is bad?


no..


HCG works and works well, as a jump start, it is ONLY unsafe when followed incorrectly or done for LONGTERM, you'd know that if you actually read what you preached about.




Originally Posted by ChefChiTown




Jesus Christ, what in the hell is going on in here?


Yes, because telling someone to be careful and not to get caught up in an extremely unsafe and unproven diet trend that has negative effects on their health is much more insulting than needlessly calling someone a jackass. Good point :huge eye roll:



Anyway, if you would actually read what Jericho was posting, you would see he never insulted the OP. Just because a person doesn't agree with what somebody else says doesn't mean they are insulting them. He was simply telling the OP (and everybody else on the forum) that indulging in the HCG diet is a bad idea. He was stating his case (with the support of credible references) that the HCG diet does more harm than good, and he is being so adamant about it because he doesn't want any of the members on this forum to head down the wrong path. And, if you would've actually read his posts instead of jumping to conclusions (something you accused San of doing), then maybe you would've seen this.


No, that's not what that means at all, but ok. Anyway, once again, nobody is hating on her. Read the thread instead of skimming through the argumentative parts and you will see that the people who don't agree with the HCG diet aren't hating on the people who take part in the diet, rather the diet itself.


When you read the posts in this thread, it's pretty clear that nobody is attacking any individual, rather the diet.


The legality of a substance has absolutely no bearing on its physical and health related side effects, only the legality of consuming it. Alcohol is legal, but it would be foolish to claim that consuming alcohol is safer than doing cocaine based on the fact that it's legal to drink (when you're of age).





It's the Internet - unless a respondent's post is "I 100% agree with you," then an argument is bound to happen. I'm not surprised by this thread at all.



And, I'm willing to bet that the "research" most people do consists of the following...



1) Go to Google

2) Type in HCG (or whatever it is that they're "researching")

3) Click the first 4 or 5 links

4) Skim through the text instead of read it
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Again I didn't NAME anyone specific, VERY broad term, just like everyone calling her friend DUMB or an IDIOT but since im not on the same boat as you people then I'm the bad guy.. w.e. i'll take that label..



I do wonder why people would take anyone without success in actually losing the weight as an authority and actually believe what they type. Reading about methods online and actually DOING them and completing the process is two totally different things. Experience trumps any amount of "reading" people do


Where the hell did Malficient and Steve go from on here, they actually moderated with knoweldge and experience
 
Originally Posted by ChefChiTown


No, you just quoted someone and responded by making a comment that was blatantly directed at them. Splitting hairs is useless.



And, just because a person hasn't finished losing the weight they want to lose yet doesn't mean they aren't knowledgable and shouldn't be taken seriously. I don't own a 4 star, Internationally renowned and critically acclaimed fine dining restaurant yet, but rest assured, if I tell you how to make bechamel, you'd better listen.



You lost weight. Good for you. And, you claim you did it with the help of HCG. Great. You can be proud of yourself for losing weight - as you should be - but don't expect everybody to have the same results as you did. There are people who starve themselves - literally starve themselves - to lose weight and end up keeping the weight off for years and years and years, and don't have any major medical side effects because of it. But, just because it worked for them, it doesn't mean it's something that the majority of the public should be f*cking around with.



These diet fads are nothing more than Russian roulette with health. Yeah, somebody wins, but a hell of a lot more people lose.



PS - I find it funny that you have a problem with Jericho speaking his mind and disagreeing with people, when that's exactly what Steve did. He had knowledge about certain issues, but he would battle back and forth with members in just the same way Jericho does - because he cares. You can't dislike one but praise the other, guy. They do the same thing.
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I never stated I used the HCG, russian roulette.. far from, its just another technique and I know many who have used it successfully and safely.


So your telling me that if I have read a bunch of articles online about open heart surgery that means I can then give advice to people how to do it?


I don't think so


EXPERIENCE > "Self Proclaimed Knowledge"
 
I think I've made my point quite clear to those who are willing and able to listen.


I could go into an in-depth discussion about amphetamines, HCG, and a few other things that you have so much Google knowledge about. I have worked with the stuff for more than years, so I think I have the basic idea what I am talking about. But it's quite alright, Jeremy, you made it abundantly clear that you have made up your mind, and if facts would punch you in the face, you would still ignore them. So it would be a waste of time.


As for the knowledge...I lost about 200 lbs altogether over the time span of...well, I'd say the last 4 years. Without shortcuts, jump starts (you do not NEED a jump start - weight loss is easy enough at the start), and without taking the chance of ruining my health. So once more....yes, I do know what I am talking about.


Oh, and I know I cannot speak for Steve, obviously, but I am pretty sure compared to what he would have said, Jericho let you get off lightly. I am going to go out on a limb and guess that you managed to read the stuff that Steve wrote when you actually agreed with him, so you liked him - in this case, you don't agree, and quite obviously, that is a problem for you. But that's fine. We all have different opinions. Would be boring if we didn't.


And after all this, I think this thread has derailed entirely. I will close this thread, since there is nothing to be gained from it any more. To the OP (kami2006) I would suggest starting a thread in the diary section to continue their progress report.


Originally Posted by JeremyRice







I never stated I used the HCG, russian roulette.. far from, its just another technique and I know many who have used it successfully and safely.



So your telling me that if I have read a bunch of articles online about open heart surgery that means I can then give advice to people how to do it?



I don't think so



EXPERIENCE > "Self Proclaimed Knowledge"
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