A fat man and a marathon

I can relate to the bingeing problems. Just one bad binge each week can literally sabotage your weight loss progress. Heck, you can even eat good all week and not lose weight. It's just plain hard to tolerate being in a caloric deficit! BUT, we have to dig deep and find out what we're really made of and how bad we really want it and just freaking DO IT!

Yeah, I'm just sticking to eating very healthy and mostly natural for awhile. Christmas turned into a bad month of eating and the superbowl party turned into 3 or 4 days of bad eating. When I eat healthy, I'm actually finding it easy to eat very few calories since I add tons of vegetables to everything and no dressings/butter/condiments really. So I'm just doing what feels natural now, probably not enough calories, but I have tons of energy and feel great, so I'm not going to sweat it. And I'm down to 281 just a few minutes ago (after my run though).

Be careful with the shin splints. If they flare up on you, you really have no choice but to take some time off. If you let them get severe, you can lose an entire month of training before they will heal. Been there, done that.

Yeah, I learned that the hard way through trial and error of months of different shoes, and inserts and building up my running base. Now I NEVER have problems ... except when I run on the treadmill. Today I just blasted through 10 miles (while it took 1 hr 59 min, so more like slogged). But I felt FANTASTIC the whole time and could've run another 10 it felt like. So hopefully it's completely gone like I thought it was until a few days ago. No more treadmills!:hurray:
 
Woo-hoo! 4 in a row, now THAT'S impressive. :)

So I'm only at 8 miles so far this week, and all my runs have sucked (I can feel that shin muscle getting funny on me). I'm hoping it's the treadmill. That always seems to cause me problems and I usually feel OK running outside. My buddy just texted me, "8 or 10?" And of course I told him 10, so that means after having not gone more than a mile straight all week I get to attempt my first double-digit miler tomorrow! Ahhh! At least I've taken it easy so hopefully it all goes good.

I mostly walk mine and run about 20% of it, due to my knees. This year I hope to get enough weight off so that I can run at least 50%.

How far can you run right now? 8? If so, that is impressive!! You're going to do great!!
 
Today I just blasted through 10 miles (while it took 1 hr 59 min, so more like slogged).

:smilielol5: 2 hours... it would take me 2 days (and I`d probably stop at every MD`s I saw ;)) Don`t be so hard on yourself. The fact that you`re doing it is amazing. Just think of all the food you didn`t eat in those 2 hours!!!

Marie
 
Just think of all the food you didn`t eat in those 2 hours!!!Marie

Well I ate a mini cliff bar (100) to get some food just before starting, 2 energy gels (180) during the run, then afterwards we had a gulp of gatorade (50) and a big protein shake (320) ... So fueling my run and recovery took about 650 calories ... well that was my breakfast anyways. :)

It was good though. My longest run by 2 miles and with a parter it seriously felt like 40 minutes since we gabbed like schoolgirls about running and gear and our job the whole time. We walked through half of like 3 hills, stopped twice to eat our gels and once for my killer sideache, but ran like 90% of it.


Saturday Food Log
Cliff Bar (100)
Energy Gels (180)
Gatorade (50)
Protein Shake (320)
Chicken Pasta (300)
Meatballs (200)
Chicken Pasta (300)
Turkey Sand w/ Provolone and Mayo (340)
Meatball Sand (200)
Banana (100)
FiberOne Bar (140)


2230 calories
 
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Good work!

I remember training on all flat ground for a 10k and it turned out it was through a park all up and downhills with a lot of rough terrain. I nearly spit up a lung. Now I do intervals and hills. Slowly but I do them.
 
I remember training on all flat ground for a 10k and it turned out it was through a park all up and downhills with a lot of rough terrain. I nearly spit up a lung. Now I do intervals and hills. Slowly but I do them.

Yeah, I don't think hill training is ever something I'm going to enjoy. I'm learning to run very slowly up them and then make up time on the downhill. Do you still run races? Or are you just training for fitness?

Sunday Food Log
Honey Nut Cheerios (350)
Turkey Sand w/ Cheese and Mayo and Half Ham Sand (450)
Goldfish (100)
Banana (120)
Chicken Pasta (600)
Meatball Sandwich (300)
Hershy Bar (210)
3 cookies (270)


2400 Calories

Did good until dinner. I had to work for a few hours so I ended up going 6 hours w/ no food and was starving. So I ate a double portion of pasta, which should have been more than enough ... and then a hershey bar ... and then 3 cookies ... and then a meatball sandwich. And I was going to skip my run tonight to recover from the 10 miles, but I felt guilty after the junkfood so I took a nice easy 4 miles jog with some walk breaks on the big hills. So now I don't feel so guilty about the sugar and meatballs.

22 miles total this week ... a little off my goal but not too bad. Crossing my fingers for 270's on Tuesday. I've been waiting how long now ... :toetap05:
 
Today kinda stunk. Ate very well all day, but then I went to my sisters and had pork ribs and potatoes. Then I HAD to eat tootsie rolls with my nephew. A lot. And some valentines day cookies and cheese and crackers. If I had to guess I'd say it was like 4000 or so. Ran 4 easy miles. I can't get over how I consider 4 miles an easy day now. It was so peaceful running after everyone was asleep, the snow falling gently and the soft "crunch, crunch" of my steps under my music. That was nice.

So one bad day this week. Of course right before my weekly weigh in. But I still had a very low calorie week total.
 
Yeah, I don't think hill training is ever something I'm going to enjoy. I'm learning to run very slowly up them and then make up time on the downhill. Do you still run races? Or are you just training for fitness?


I'm training for a 10k in May. I have done them once or twice a year for the past 4 years but as soon as I finish them I stop running. This year I want to do one two every six weeks and get into the sub-50 minute time. I'd like to run my age 10k in 48 min.
 
It was so peaceful running after everyone was asleep, the snow falling gently and the soft "crunch, crunch" of my steps under my music. That was nice.

That's an awesome picture you just painted. The other night I was watching snow fall outside through the window of our unborn son's room and it was so quiet and peaceful looking that I freaking cried. Yeah, I'm a big old wimp sometimes but very few times do I both see and hear something peaceful. So I totally understand what you are talking about.

Great job with the running! Keep trying with the eating. I have the same problem. We just need to keep trying to get it right and eventually we will.
 
Ran 4 easy miles. I can't get over how I consider 4 miles an easy day now.

Wow, that is just so awesome!! Such an inspiration for all us "wanna be runner" ;) I'm thinking of joining a running group in the spring. I think it'll be good for many aspects of life!! You paint a very nice picture.

Marie
 
Thanks guys! I was actually just thinking while I was running today that I might stop posting on here. It seemed like all the people who I used to follow were disappearing. And whenever I read a new journal I get involved in their story and then they fizzle out and disappear after like 2 weeks. Then I check and look at that, I guess some people are still around. :)

I think part of it is that I'm not struggling so much like I used to. I feel like I'm so healthy now. Eating has been going very well the past two weeks, except for the occasional bad day every time I get to 280. All healthy ... a little too much healthy food last night though. But I think 270's may hit tomorrow, for sure by Friday. Woo!

And I hear you on the snow. It was awesome. I put off the run and was actually lying in bed when I decided to suck it up and do it. There's a feeling of being at peace that comes when I run. I need it now to stay sane. Today was so stressful at work, but I slipped on my shoes and just ran for 8 miles. All I wore was a thin long sleeve shirt and my hat and the cool, fresh air filled my lungs. Man, I'm loving running. I even saw my first fellow runner in my town of 1200. Haha! And I pushed myslelf and hit a 10:55 pace! Sometimes I get caught up in the training and getting faster and hitting my miles. And often I think I just want to skip my run and eat a cheeseburger, but as soon as I'm out there it's fantastic, especially when I'm just enjoying it and not stressing over my time. I'm hoping I'm still enjoying it once the weather warms up here.

Got my running books also. Currently reading "Born to Run" about a tribe of runners that have secluded themselves from murderous tribes in Mexico by moving deep into the mountains do nothing but run and drink beer and be happy. 30 pages in and it's fantastic so far. I'd planned on reading all night but I'm too tired and want to enjoy it. Definitely living up to the hype since the books been talked about everywhere (plus I got a nutrition book for runners and a training plan book).
 
So the author may be a little loose with the facts if the first 30 pages of this book aren't embelished just slightly (already nearly killed by Mexican drug gangs), but it's kind of fascinating how he talks about the way the Tarahumara chase down deer and the way the humans have evolved.

If you had to choose between Neanderthals and Early Us in a Last Man Standing contest, you’d go Neanderthal all the way. So—where are they? Within ten thousand years of the arrival of Homo sapiens in Europe, the Neanderthals vanished. How it happened, no one knows. The only explanation is that some mysterious X Factor gave us—the weaker, dumber, skinnier creatures—a life-or-death edge over the Ice Age All-Stars. It wasn’t strength. It wasn’t weapons. It wasn’t intelligence. Could it have been running ability?​

And ...

To run an antelope to death, Lieberman determined, all you have to do is scare it into a gallop on a hot day. “If you keep just close enough for it to see you, it will keep sprinting away. After about ten or fifteen kilometers’ worth of running, it will go into hyperthermia and collapse.” Translation: if you can run six miles on a summer day then you, my friend, are a lethal weapon in the animal kingdom. We can dump heat on the run, but animals can’t pant while they gallop.​

Time Magazine Q&A


What misconceptions do people have about running?
Anyone can do running. Running should be easy. It should be fun. It should include everyone. It shouldn't be a punishment for eating cheesecake, which is what we've turned it into. There's this kind of war on running — people keep telling you you'll get hurt, get injured, that you need orthotics, that you need go to a special running store before you try it. There's this totally misconceived notion that it's hard to do, and it's not.

What is the correct way to run?
Prior to the creation of the modern running shoe, people were taught how to run either by a running coach or by simple feedback from their feet. If something hurt, you would start running differently. You'd never, ever land on your heel on a thinly cushioned shoe, because it hurt. Your heel's not designed to absorb impact. Running should feel weightless. It should feel like you're floating in space. It's basically a series of controlled jumps. Then we started trying to trump nature and come up with something we could sell, and what we've created are these monstrosities that allow people to forget about form and running technique and just clump along in whatever kind of sloppy fashion they want.

You spent a lot of time with the Tarahumara, a society of master runners who live in obscurity in Mexico. I'd never heard of them before. How do they manage to still stay so secluded, and what did you do to get them to trust you?
They stay secluded by remaining down in the depths of this vast network of canyons. One reason they haven't blazed across the competitive circuit is because our kind of running is really stupid and foreign to them. We bust out as fast as we can from gun to tape, and the Tarahumara don't do that. Humans are built for endurance, not speed. We're awful sprinters, compared to every other animal. We try to run our races as if they were speed races, but they are not. They're endurance races. Even a marathon, the way it's run now, it's not an endurance contest. But the Tarahumara do two things that are different: they run as a group. Secondly, they alternate between bursts of effort and recovery. That's what's brilliant about their running — it's this really smart, strategic combination of fast and slow.

Running a marathon seems like a big deal, but ultra-runners run hundreds of miles over mountains. How do they do it?
I never saw an ultra-marathon until I was in one. I ran 50 miles with the Tarahumara. My stomach was clenching up like a fist before the race. I received the best advice for running I ever heard: "You're not going to win, so just relax. If it feels like work, you're running too hard." I just wish people would run two miles as if they were running 100 miles, because one thing that you will always see in ultra-races that you will never see in normal marathons are smiles. People are relaxed and enjoying the moment.

What did running those 50 miles feel like?
Most of the miles were a total blast. You start before dawn, so it's dark outside, and you're all huddled for warmth at the start. As you're running, the sun comes up. It's just brilliant. Every moment, every mile brought a vivid sensation. When you allow yourself to ease into the run, as if you're easing into a hot bath, the sensations come to you gradually. You feel your body warming up. You feel yourself hitting a stride. Nothing ever feels forced. It feels soothing and fun. The only crunch time was the last 10 miles or so — they were a little hard. I thought there was going to be more water, but they ran out. One man, Barefoot Ted, was drinking his urine at one point.

About drinking your own urine — you talk in the book about people who hallucinate while running or become disoriented and exhausted. You say running is really easy, but obviously ultra-running is an extreme sport. It's very hard, and people go through a lot. Why do you think people push themselves that hard?
A really smart scientist, Dr. Dennis Bramble at the University of Utah, said to me, "Recreation has its reasons." It's an instinct we have inside of us. We push ourselves that far because we're hard-wired to want to remind ourselves that we can do it.

What exactly is the Running Man theory?
The theory is that humans evolved as running-pack animals, that they only way we got food was by running our prey to death. The human brain exploded in size about 2 million years ago, expanding from a peanut to the melon we have now. That could've only happened if humans were eating animal carcasses. But the first weapon only appeared 200,000 years ago, so for 1,800,000 years we were somehow acquiring dead animals without having a weapon to kill them. So the theory is that we ran animals to death.

What do you say to people who say, "Oh, I don't like running."
I say, Go for a run. Or let's play some Ultimate Frisbee. Almost every sport involves running. You will not find a 4-year-old on this planet who does not like to run. Why? Because they haven't been told it's a workout.

Why are runners not as famous as other athletes?
There's no money in it. To get on a bike and look like Lance Armstrong, you're going to drop $8,000 or more. If you're an ultra-runner, you buy one pair of shoes. Tony Krupicka, one of the greatest young ultra-runners, has worn the same pair of crappy, cross-country flats for the past six years. It's actually one of the big debates in ultra-racing right now: some of the top competitors want there to be prize money, but the second money gets into it, the sport is ruined. Right now, there's a certain sense of amateurism and purity to the sport. I was crewing for ultra-runner Jen Shelton during one race, and she was gunning to win, but she ate a jalapeño pizza and pitcher of beer five hours before the start, so at mile 40, she blew up and was retching on the course. When she lifted her head up, she realized that two of the guys she had been competing with were standing there waiting for her. She was 40 miles out in the woods alone, and they wanted to make sure she was O.K. They took her to an aid station, and once she was cared for, they took off [for] the finish line. You get a sense of real camaraderie out there because ultimately it's about everyone pulling together.​

OK. I'll stop pimping this book now.
 
Just made chicken alfredo that's less than 400 calories for a big bowl full!

1 box whole wheat noodles
1 green, red, yellow pepper sliced
1 red onion diced
2 lbs chicken cut up and cooked
1 jar Kraft low-fat alfredo (unhealthy processed crap, but only 70 calories a serving)
1 pack part skim mozerrela cheese ... bake until the cheese melts. :drool5:

Made 2 big round casserole dishes full and each dish is just under 1600 calories. All them veggies add so much volume!


Food Log
Oatmeal w/ blueberries (200)
Chicken Alfredo (500)
Chicken Alfredo (650)
Whole bunch of cookies at my sister's (750

2100Calories


And I hit 278 today!
 
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You will not find a 4-year-old on this planet who does not like to run. Why? Because they haven't been told it's a workout.

Aw, that is so sweet and so true. I felt that way about my dog too. He was so happy when he ran and I could see the pure joy he felt doing it. It actually almost brings me to tears when I remember the grace and beauty of his canter and gallop.

Hey Marathon Man; how are you? Enjoying your good read. Whoo hoo to the 270s!! I hope you keep posting here ...
 
Congrats on 278! That's awesome! I liked reading your last post. It's so true about the 4 year old. My daughter is almost 4 and we think she might be an ultra-runner someday. :D
 
Hey Marathon Man; how are you? Enjoying your good read. Whoo hoo to the 270s!! I hope you keep posting here ...

I'm sure I'll stay around. I'm not disciplined enough to be unleashed to the world of food alone yet. :)

I have this problem. Ever since I moved back to Wisconsin, I go over to my sisters like twice a week. We used to always walk across the street to the gas station with my nephew and buy some pop and treats. At first just one, then two or three. Well, for awhile it stopped when we started eating healthier, but I still find the days I visit my sister to be my hardest days calorie wise. And now my nephew is getting back in the habit of going to the gas station every time Uncle Jeff comes over. Plus there's a daycare there so there's always fresh cookies and snacks for the kids. Oh, it's a challenge. And I use that as an excuse to pig out sometimes. I just need to straighten up. :banghead: Long story short, I may see the 280's again in the morning. On the other hand, all the guilt from piles of cookies keeps me motivated to not miss a run. Plus the fact I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose my job or get my hours and pay cut (already lost all my OT) ... running is my healthy stress release.

I vow to eat no junkfood until I visit my old college friends next Saturday.

Congrats on 278! That's awesome! I liked reading your last post. It's so true about the 4 year old. My daughter is almost 4 and we think she might be an ultra-runner someday. :D

Wouldn't that be awesome. My 3 year old nephew was just saying the other day how he was sore from running. Pretty sure he was just mimicking me. And my parents are always making little comments to him and their friends about my running now. It's kind of fun being a positive healthy influence for once instead of the lets go to the gas station and eat brownies Uncle (like tonight).
 
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I'm sure I'll stay around. I'm not disciplined enough to be unleashed to the world of food alone yet. :)

I have this problem. Ever since I moved back to Wisconsin, I go over to my sisters like twice a week. We used to always walk across the street to the gas station with my nephew and buy some pop and treats. At first just one, then two or three. Well, for awhile it stopped when we started eating healthier, but I still find the days I visit my sister to be my hardest days calorie wise. And now my nephew is getting back in the habit of going to the gas station every time Uncle Jeff comes over. Plus there's a daycare there so there's always fresh cookies and snacks for the kids. Oh, it's a challenge. And I use that as an excuse to pig out sometimes. I just need to straighten up. :banghead: Long story short, I may see the 280's again in the morning. On the other hand, all the guilt from piles of cookies keeps me motivated to not miss a run. Plus the fact I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose my job or get my hours and pay cut (already lost all my OT) ... running is my healthy stress release.

I vow to eat no junkfood until I visit my old college friends next Saturday.

MM, I so appreciate your honesty and sharing that problem. I can relate 100%. My twin sons and I enjoy a movie with junk food. We live in diff cities right now so the temptation isn't there. The problem is that the association is so strong. We're like psychologist Pavlov's dogs, classically conditioned to salivate when at sister/nephew's house, or with sons watching a movie. Dogs are built on association, give treat for certain behavior, they will repeat the behavior. To break out of this incredibly strong pattern, which is based on psychic imprints on our brain, we have to change our behavior .. meaning, I can't watch movies with my sons as a way to spend time together. We have to choose other activities, like playing pool, or hitting the gym together, or visiting at my sister's house (a skinny broad who never overeats - we've joked over the years how we always feel hungry after eating supper at her house). Do you think you could spend time with your sis and nephew in a diff way? Instead of going over to their home twice a week, could you ask them to join you in an activity, even if it's playing catch with nephew or bike riding. Introducing your nephew to other things would be good for both of you.

Cookies. Where to begin. Oh my friend. They are a serious temptation for me also. Can't ever have just one. Freshly baked are nearly impossible to resist. Personally, I could not step foot in the establishment of which you speak. LOL I'm not kidding. If you want success, stay out of there. You can help your nephew understand why. Kids are blessedly supportive because they're closer to the truth than most of us adults. You may vow to stay away from junk food til you meet your friends ... but if you're putting yourself in harms way (going into said gas station store) you're setting yourself up. Easy for me to tell you, hard for me to put into practice in my own life. I'm an overeater and it's an addiction for which I have to be vigilant ... I can be going strong and then when I least expect it, someone passes me who's eating a pastry or hot dog, and before I can say an affirmation or even have a decent thought in my head, I've bought one and am scarfing it down. The associations and temptations and addiction can be so strong ... I can't plan for those eventualities, but I can plan for all the other stuff like habits of places where I allow myself to go.

Don't get me wrong, sometimes we have to allow a few treats ... but when it becomes habit, well ... you know the story.

I know you're going to succeed. Because you're running AND because you're honest with yourself about eating patterns. Fantastic combination.
 
MM, I so appreciate your honesty and sharing that problem. I can relate 100%. My twin sons and I enjoy a movie with junk food. We live in diff cities right now so the temptation isn't there. The problem is that the association is so strong. We're like psychologist Pavlov's dogs, classically conditioned to salivate when at sister/nephew's house, or with sons watching a movie. Dogs are built on association, give treat for certain behavior, they will repeat the behavior. To break out of this incredibly strong pattern, which is based on psychic imprints on our brain, we have to change our behavior

I had a long thoughtful witty reply typed up a few days ago, then my computer crapped out on me and I lost it ... so I'll just say that I agree. :) But I believe it's easier to continue with my activities but simply alter what we eat. Figure rather than all that hard work to fight my imprint just grab something healthy instead. Problem is finding something healthy. When I work on that I do well, when I just wing it ... well, I can become a cookie vaccuum.

I'm officially a badass after having a bloody sock after running 12 miles (should've put a bandaid on before hand, duh). The first 3 miles sucked b/c I ate like crap on Friday. And the last 2 miles were HELL! But we finished. I feel like I can run 100 miles straight on a flat surface, but as soon as there's a 1% incline I go a block and I'm huffing and puffing like I'm a chain smoker. Haha, stupid hills.

Took a few days off to do family stuff but tonight I'm back at it. Planning on doing my new 5 mile loop twice, but I haven't eaten or slept much today because I've been busy, so we'll see how the energy goes.

And I just finished this book. Highly, highly recommend it. One of the best books I've read in awhile. A mystery full of crazy real life characters, a little history, a little science and he turns a race through the woods into an amazing tale. Whenever somebody asks me why I run now I'm just going to tell them to read this book.

 
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