Satisfaction with our looks, possible???

I can wash & wax the car....stand back & love it!
I can clean & organize my workshop....and be super happy
I can clean the backyard and feel tidy & neat

So many things in life I can find total satisfaction in....but I'm really starting to wonder if my whole perspective on being happy with my body will ever be "there"?

I continue to lose weight, gain muscle, get in shape....and yet as the proverbial glass becomes more full, all I can focus on is what's left to go and what else need to be done. Then it occurred to me that this whole notion of "being there" may not be reasonable. Having been overweight most all my life and at the age of 43....perhaps having a tight ripped & tone chest is just not part of the equation at this point. Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to strive to find the best I can be, but I think it's time to face & accept the reality of the situation: I'm setting-up bars & goals that may just not be practical.

At pool parties 95% of the guys aren't as lean, cut or in shape as me, yet they walk around with their shirts off without a care in the world. Me, I won't unshirt until I'm about to jump in the pool and even when I get out I'm fairly quick to re-shirt. I feel as though I need to be perfect. Funny how so many other people, men & woman, just let it all hang and don't care.

How do you guys cope with this?
 
Sounds like you have a body image problem to where no matter how much you lose you'll still see something wrong with you. I am the same, and haven't really found a way to cope with it.
 
I think there are a couple of techniques to help deal with body image and self esteem. A lot of the times, we set unrealistic goals or we set and unattainable goal simply because it is unattainable. You know how people say the journey is better than the destination? The pursuit of a goal that you never allow yourself to reach is satisfying in a way. It gives us something to do, something to identify with, something to strive for, something to control. A lot of the times, when we do reach a goal, we feel let down because the thrill of the pursuit is gone, so we invent more problems to fix. What we end up with is the endless quest for "perfection".

Some find comfort in believing that there is no such thing as perfection, that our flaws are simply part of us. It can bring comfort and relief to some.

Others believe that we are completely perfect the way we are and that flaws themselves are a reflection of this perfection. We can't have the good without the bad. The negatives are as much a part of us as the positives. We can still strive for betterment, but it takes the pressure off a little.

There were things about my body that I used to want to change, but I realize now that I'm a very healthy and fortunate individual. I've learned to see the beauty in myself. Even though I don't have the body of Tyra Banks or Angelina Jolie, I still love and appreciate my body because it is me and because it is beautiful the way it is. This isn't to say I don't enjoy working out and seeing the positive changes in my appearance, but I take those changes with a grain of salt. My life isn't about how perfect or imperfect my body is because it is already sufficiently perfect to me.

You may find comfort in learning how to just let go of the goals you have. You can have intentions though. You can intend to stay healthy and strive for balance in life, but don't make your body your one and only focus in life. If you do, you will inevitably focus on the flaws and you won't be able to appreciate what you do have that works. I say, be proud of what you have accomplished. Don't be shy, bare your chest, don't feel pressured to keep your shirt on all the time at pool parties. Be proud, flaunt what you've got!
 
Yeah, I think this may be more common than some think. Mine isn't so bad, in fact, I usually only care when I'm alone and critiquing my body. When I'm out, I know I am better off than most people, because most people don't give a **** what they put in their mouths, and most people think "exercise" is walking to the car for work in the morning...screw it dude, you just gotta get it in your head that you are working your ass off, and that alone makes you the ****.
 
The only thing im concerned about is when my psoriasis is visible, then i will only take my shirt off in front of people i know.

But otherwise when im all good, shirt off and i dont care. But then again, i always try and keep my abs flexed LOL so that my bit of belly fat doesnt look as bad.
 
People don't care as much as you think...just take it off and you will see, kinda hard at first but after a few times you'll realize there is no reason to be so picky on yourself...especially if you are very fit.

:p

Or you could be as hairy as a Pacos Lama like me and then you'd have a real reason for this...

:D

Put that shirt in the trash :p
 
When I was very lean and fit as a teen I had insane body image issues...and thats because of the idea of beauty I had that was portrayed by the media.
To me - at the time - beauty was a woman who's thighs didnt touch and whose arms had great definition of muscles when they picked up anything...Although I was very lightweight and slim - in a healthy way - I did not have these attributes.


Now, 10 years later, I look at myself and I think "Yeah I aint perfect, but everyone wishes something were different, no matter how perfect others percieve them" Now my idea of a beautiful body on a woman is one who has more curves...think along the lines of "Venus in the Clamshell" type look. Not fat, not skinny, not muscular, but beautiful all the same.

It takes a lot of time to accept who you are regardless of your shape/size but thats something you have to learn to accept on your own. For me I had to look at alot of other people and pics of people and go "Well that person actually looks really good and they arent much different than what I am"
But uh...another thing that helps is people telling you how great you look...its crazy but we as humans really do value what others say about us. If they dont say anything at all we dont think we are doing well, we all crave that attention and appreciation and we all really really want someone to compliment us w/o provoking it haha we want to feel proud of what we are and no matter how much we tell ourselves, it doesnt mean much unless someone else confirms it...
 
BSL, I haven't read your log in a while to see what compounds you are doing but if you eat well, lift heavy and consistently you will look for the better. The last time I looked on your log I couldn't see which compounds you were doing or how you were progressing. You can always start 5X5. Most of those guys (not saying BSL is in this category) who complain they look the same after years and years in the gym have either a bad diet or a cuckoo regimen (curls in the mirrors) even after breaking the bank getting that "miracle supp".
 
One thing I've learned is that we are never truly satisfied, we want more, bigger, better, faster...even if we had all the money in the world there would still be something missing.

Y'know?

I think this is a good thing because it shows us just how much we want challenges in our lives.

Satisfaction is boring. Pursuit is much more fun.
 
Aside from a jovial response here and there, it seems like every post on the thread is very insightful, even NBS's two-sentence reply!

I read somewhere how, in a poll, only 8% of men are happy with their body and only some 2% of woman (and I bet most of those 2% are fatties, like Queen Latifah when she used to claim she was happy with her body). The point is, very VERY few people are content and happy with what they see when they look & evaluate in the mirror.

I am making progress and I'm happy with my progress....but I'm sorta wondering where all this is heading and if the notion of "Being happy with what I'm seeing in the mirror" is realistic. I wanted to hear what you guys had to say/feel about it. Obviously this is something on many people's minds.

This all started-off with the idea of better health and avoiding having to take drugs for blood-pressure & cholesterol.....but I blew past that goal in the first 5 months. Then I decided I wanted to lose enough weight to look "normal"...I didn't want a body I could "show-off", just something I wasn't embarrassed of. As I continue to lose weight and get in shape....I'm coming to the point where I have to ask myself what my goal is. That's all. This isn't one of my classic "unhappy with progress" post again. ;)
 
Since being fat and obese is on the rise, it's pretty much the norm. People don't bat an eye at what's normal.

Remember that we in the iron game view ourselves much more critically than others.
 
There are quite a few persons in this world whom are armed to the teeth with health and options, but pale in spirit of will with many whom have less.

It is a serious error not to understand and examine the difference.

(Chillen)

Where do you stand?

You have to learn to MASTER yourself, to become the MASTER of Weight Loss or Weight Gain for YOURSELF.

BSL, are you being personally MASTERED by the weaknesses of the body?


To answer your thread title: Yes it is possible.


I have always kept up with your journal, and I have always felt, that you never really had a grasp or "enough complete control" of your eating habits, and dependent on the extent of these eating habits (because obviously you are healthy and no known biological disorders) no amount of exercise is going to circumvent a bad diet (with your nibbling, picking, and munching here and there habits), when trying to lose the tissue desired. You have had a tremendous amount of success, but seem unable to take yourself home where you want to be.

You have been "dancing in the dark" when you think you are "dancing in the light"; you are dancing in darkness because your invisible internal shell will not allow the light in to allow you to carry out the functions necessary to allow you to see clearly.

I don’t care who your trainers/nutritionists are, or how popular or world renowned they are. Bottom line: the results you are seeking are NOT obviously there.

Get mad at me if you want, but its your fault (you should know my intent by now). You are intelligent enough to KNOW whether your nutritionists/trainers are giving you proper advice (you can bet I would know), and KNOW whether you are carrying out the functions of this advice--as outlined.

I think deep down inside "you KNOW" where the faults lay: Your trainers/nutritionists guide the ship, you take the steering wheel and drive it home. If you take a left turn (as in diet), and they want you to go right. What do you expect?

Why be surprised if you get slapped with a bad bodily response? You can come up with every "counter response" in the book, but at the end of the day you are still stuck with yourself and "its" truth.

You have been battling this for months (have had countless talks with Wrangell (in the COL), and other knowledgeable persons on the forum, and you know what? Nearly….and I say nearly, nothing has changed since your initial successes.

It is the "construction of what is happening away from your advice" that is killing your progress, not "necessarily" the advice and people around you.

BSL, you are very knowledgeable in diet and fitness, but I believe you are not completely applying the knowledge you possess---to yourself, and are falling victim to your weaknesses.

With proper education something needs fundamentally "turned upside down" to such a personal extent, that an explosive inside you goes off to make you realize something needs drastically changed; you need to experience "freedom".

There is just something missing with all that you do in fitness to corner not getting to the finish line. I dont think we are getting the full story.

When you arm yourself in the circumference of knowledge applicable to your goal, and partake in goal driven "perception of this knowledge" beyond just the basics, one can implement and apply this different perception to resolve problems that develop and create some freedom of the self at the same time.

(Chillen)


Additionally, don't fall victim to inappropriate views on your on body. Be happy with what you have and what you have accomplished--and KNOW what you can manipulate differently. But do it for you, not someone else.

Personally, I do not care what others think; their opinion is coming from a flawed and imperfect human base to begin with, and I let this "negatively" effect my body image?

Not happening.

It isn't possible in the "context" we are talking about.

I went outside with my shirt off BEFORE I became involved in diet and fitness and I go outside with my shirt off now. There is no difference. Additionally, I don’t go out consciously or subconsciously wanting to get looks or compliments or any other opinion; I am just going out to do one thing: LIVE and be ME.

I don’t care about other opinions. There ASS stinks like mine. Every word that comes out of there mouth has bad breath attached to it--what do I care? I don’t.

People are rather stupid to think: Well, if you say you don’t care, you do. LOL. While this is true with some people, it isn't with me. I speak my mind, and do not lie……to myself.

However, in the dealing with the realties and facts of life, then this is a different story all together; we have to be concerned about our appearance and body image---to a point just in the "context" of certain realities of the life we live.

For example, I would care about my body image and appearance at an interview for a job (especially if the job had physical attributes necessary for the execution of the position), and since the decision whether I can or cannot perform the requirements of the position are in the hands of someone else; this I would care about.

And, would be concerned about marketing myself to the people making the decision, and their opinion in this case is tangible and real.

It is possible, continuing this example, that these decision makers could have preconceived "opinion" of what I can or cannot do at the age of 46, but my appearance of being physically fit (and then backing this up with expressing my training and dieting habits), would change this opinion--drastically. While I don't care about how they "personally" feel, I do care about what they "professionally" feel, and to me there is a difference.

And, we move on:

We can never adequately judge the lives of others, because each person knows only their own pain and renunciation. It's one thing to feel that you are on the right path, but it's another to think that yours is the only path.

Sometimes judgments prevent us from seeing the good and the beauty that lies beyond the persons appearance. Sometimes judging yourself though someone else's eyes gives a different version than what you think of yourself in the first place.

Persons come in all shapes and sizes. Just because one does not adhere to health and fitness, and may be over weight, doesn't make them bad persons: we all have bad qualities no matter what we do as we are human.

When you make personal judgments about other persons, just remember, another person can make a judgment about you, and maybe just as harsh, because he or she may not just share the same value system as you, and perceive YOU as ugly thought you see yourself as beautiful. An open mind is a terrible mind to waste.............

Stay true to yourself, this is what will set you free. Just like one should be their own appetite suppressant, they should also be a mental suppressant of the self STINK of other people.

Promise yourself, Pride yourself, Prove yourself

Promise Yourself:

To be so strong that nothing can disturb your peace of mind.

To talk health, happiness, and prosperity to every person you meet.

To make all your friends feel that there is something in them

To look at the sunny side of everything and make your optimism come true.

To think only the best, to work only for the best, and to expect only the best.

To be just as enthusiastic about the success of others as you are about your own.

To forget the mistakes of the past and press on to the greater achievements of the future.

To wear a cheerful countenance at all times and give every living creature you meet a smile.

To give so much time to the improvement of yourself that you have no time to criticize others.

To be too large for worry, too noble for anger, too strong for fear, and too happy to permit the presence of trouble.

To think well of yourself and to proclaim this fact to the world, not in loud words but great deeds.

To live in faith that the whole world is on your side so long as you are true to the best that is in you.

(Christian D. Larson)

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Unleash your POWER.......BABY!

Bring in the truth:

1. Change the changeable! Yes, recognize the things you have control over, and recognize two things that you do have control over:

A. What you think
B. What you will do.

2. Raise your standards! Do not accept the unacceptable! Stay out of the unnecessary Pity-party wagons.........ROCK YOUR SOCKS!

Withdraw and deposit in your ENERGY BANK!.......ROCK ON
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Pain is a powerful force, and takes on many faces. It can bring you up and bring you down, but it’s not the pain that causes this teeter-totter, it’s the application of your mind and how one "chooses" to deal with it that is the ultimate decision maker.

(Chillen)


You cannot control everything that happens to you, but you can control your attitude toward what happens to you, and in that, you will be mastering change rather than allowing it to master you.

(Chillen)

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Never lower head nor believe your beneath anyone on this earth. Do not let someone else define your self image.

None who criticize you are without fault of their own.

The Judgment of others and/or being overly judgmental of others can cause internal and external poison, and hamper true circumference of clear vision.

Does one look at another and truly see?

Maybe, if they were able to remove the spec from their own eye, but this isn't possible, because we all have specs in our eye; therefore, their vision of you are flawed as it comes from a flawed base to begin with.

Everyone STINKS, and sometimes persons need to take a GOOD WIFF of their own ass,…. and just maybe this could make their vision just a tad clearer, once they get passed the self stink.

(Chillen)
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“Relentless, repetitive self talk is what changes our self-image.”

“The ''self-image'' is the key to human personality and human behavior.
Change the self image and you change the personality and the behavior.”


“Your self image is your pattern!. Every thought has an activity visualized.
Every activity belongs to a pattern. You identify with your pattern or thought. Your patterns leads your life.”



"Self-image sets the boundaries of individual accomplishment”

“The past is not simply the past, but a prism through which the subject filters his own changing self-image.”

“A strong, positive self-image is the best possible preparation for success.”

(Dr. Joyce Brothers and Waltz)

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Knock Knock

Hell! Who in the f@ck is it?!

Champ!

I don't know any Champ, who the hell is that?

Champ poo your brain, it needs it.. :)

PAY ATTENTION!!!!!!!


Knock Knock

Who the hell is it?!

General Lee

Who the hell is "General Lee?"

General Lee we ADAPT AND OVERCOME

Knock Knock

Who the hell is it this time?!

Norma Lee

Who the hell is Norma Lee? (General Lee Sister)

Norma Lee being mentally strong will set one free



You have the power of WILL. Apply this power and be stronger than your disappointment. IF YOU WIN THE HIGHER PERCENTAGES of the battles in the head, you WILL overcome anything humanly possible: Best wishes,



Chillen
 
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I think it's definitely possible to be satisfied with looks! I am not there yet, though.

I use to be a lot more self conscious about how I looked... I would be the same way with the shirt and stuff around pools.. I hated to have my shirt off around people...

Now though, I really am not very self conscious about it at all. I know exactly how fat I am, how muscular I am, and I am working on improving both aspects.
 
Chillen,

I appreciate your words & thoughts...and I'm not going to "get mad" at you, but (and this is not defensive)...I think you're projecting and seeing something that isn't part of the equation here.

I'm just throwing it out there for chat...is it practical, as a goal, to be satisfied with our looks and what we see in the mirror? As we approach our "goal" how is this factored into things?? It's just a discussion....

You're talking to me about how I'm dancing in the dark, not being truthful with myself and failing to make progress. My nibbling on snacks or eating too much. Where did I introduce that into this thread? Quite the contrary, lately I've been really watching every ounce of everything going into my mouth and I've been hitting the gym harder and longer & more frequently then ever. I am making progress and continuing to work towards my goal....but it's definiing the goal that I'm now dabbling with.

No crisis alert, no plateau, no trauma or drama....just a discussion. I think anyone who works-out or loses weight has a goal of some sort. How often do you hear "set a goal" or "what is your goal". I've been asked that repeatedly and I'm coming to the point where it's time to figure it out.

For me, this is just like my first year in college being an "undeclared" major. I've been losing fat, gaining muscle and just generally heading in a healthier direction: all along never really having a goal or knowing when I'll "be there". All I'm doing is trying to define some of that goal...and in doing so I'm evaluating what seems to be important to me and what I want.

For me, it was always hard looking at pictures of myself and seeing a fat person. It was also hard looking in the mirror or feeling ashamed and trying to hide my body. SO, it just stands to reason that as part of my goal I'd like to work things in the opposite direction and be able to celebrate what I've changed. So this is about how I look & appear in the mirror...but perhaps not in the way you sense. It's not about what others see, it's about what I see & feel. It's how comfortable I feel when I take my shirt off, not what others see.

It's not about what others think. I want to feel good about what I see in the mirror. I want to see pictures of myself and enjoy knowing/seeing that I've lost weight. I want to be happy with what I've accomplished and changed in my life.

Godo advice Chillen, but I think you did a mis-take on your interpretation of why I'm bringing this up.
 
Wont be the first time I read too much into things...:yelrotflmao:

:rolleyes: :rofl:


After all I am human....

:p

Carry on, BSL......LOL. I will put my head under a faucet and cool it off........uh,,,,,,that's better, he, he :)


Have a great day,

Chillen
 
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I think it's definitely possible to be satisfied with looks! I am not there yet, though.

I use to be a lot more self conscious about how I looked... I would be the same way with the shirt and stuff around pools.. I hated to have my shirt off around people...

Now though, I really am not very self conscious about it at all. I know exactly how fat I am, how muscular I am, and I am working on improving both aspects.

Like I said in my post above.....when it comes to walking around with your shirt off it's not actually about what other people think (cause most people really don't care or notice)....it's really about how comfortable YOU feel, and that's based on what you think about yourself....and that sometimes stems from what you imagine others are thinking when they look at you. If you're happy with what you see when you look in the mirror, you're far more likely to presume others feel and see the same thing.

Psychologically speaking.....we humans have a very warped sense of how we validate ourselves. We all aspire to say "I don't care what others think"...but in the end, that's very rarely the case. All too often how we feel about ourselves is more reflective of how we PERCEIVE others think & feel about us.
 
Rather than going thru the process of losing weight thru diet and exercise, I chose to date a fat chick and hang out with fat people... in perspective, I have become "in shape" without the years of dedication it took many of you.
 
Wont be the first time I read too much into things...:yelrotflmao:

:rolleyes: :rofl:


After all I am human....

:p

Carry on, BSL......LOL. I will put my head under a faucet and cool it off........uh,,,,,,that's better, he, he :)


Have a great day,

Chillen


It's all good Chillen....I'd rather you care too much then not at all.

But seriously, the last few weeks I've been scolded by many that I'm exercising too much and not eating enough. Just yesterday I actually took a whole day off and didn't do anything. I promise, I'm not in a lull...I'm progressing and making changes! :D
 
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