Best Quarterback Ever
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Sunshine of Remember the Titans. Or that guy that played for the Dolphins that was on ace ventura pet detective. What was his name marino or something?
They are the only ones I know haha.
You must mean Dan Marino NBS. Its tough but I would have to go with Marino if not playing and Peyton Manning if still playing.
I have to give a shout out to guys like Favre, Brady, Elway, Bradshaw, Montana, and Young though.
Greatest running back ~ Barry Sanders
I have to give a shout out to guys like Favre, Brady, Elway, Bradshaw, Montana, and Young though.
Greatest running back ~ Barry Sanders
I feel you about Marino but the problem is if we are talking about the BEST EVER and you are comparing Marino to Montana and one guy doesn't have any Superbowls and one guy has four, then that pretty ends the conversation.
Obviously Marino didn't have the talent around him that Montana did but if we are talking about separating the BEST from among the greatest, then the fact that someone is 4-0 in Superbowls adds to the myth of their careers, which counts for a lot.
Obviously Marino didn't have the talent around him that Montana did but if we are talking about separating the BEST from among the greatest, then the fact that someone is 4-0 in Superbowls adds to the myth of their careers, which counts for a lot.
Not really. I wouldnt even consider Montana in the same league as Marino. 4 superbowls with the likes of Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Roger Craig, and Brent Jones on the offense.
Marino holds just about every passing record there is. Someone who threw the ball and crushed records or was part of a great team and won some superbowls?
edit: Terry Bradshaw also won four superbowls, as well as Troy Aikman, but I wouldnt categorize them as even in the Top 5. Not that they werent great players.
Marino holds just about every passing record there is. Someone who threw the ball and crushed records or was part of a great team and won some superbowls?
edit: Terry Bradshaw also won four superbowls, as well as Troy Aikman, but I wouldnt categorize them as even in the Top 5. Not that they werent great players.
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Ok, let's just get something settled right now. You can't be considered the BEST QB ever unless you've won a Superbowl. I think every single reasonable football fan, including great QBs themselves, agree with that statement. Now, it doesn't mean that you have to win a Superbowl to be a great quarterback, which Marino obviously is. It's just that you can't be even talked about among the BEST until you've won a Superbowl. Why? Because there are too many QBs with claim to the best ever title who have won multiple Superbowls. It's therefore a prerequisite. Is it fair? Maybe not. But is it true and unassailable? Yes. That's why all QBs who consider themselves good are DESPERATE for their rings. That's why Marino still gets super pissed off and sensitive when people mention that he doesn't have a ring (like when Boomer Esiason compared him to Peyton Manning on the air a couple years back).
(Check out Marino's face at the end. Classic.)
So anyways, the conversation is limited to guys like Montana, Elway, Unitas, even maybe Favre. Brady needs a few more years and Manning clearly needs at least one more championship. Is Marino top five or even top three? Yes, no question. But his resume still has a huge hole in it.
(Check out Marino's face at the end. Classic.)
So anyways, the conversation is limited to guys like Montana, Elway, Unitas, even maybe Favre. Brady needs a few more years and Manning clearly needs at least one more championship. Is Marino top five or even top three? Yes, no question. But his resume still has a huge hole in it.
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Everyone is desperate for their ring, because everyone wants one. In your logic then every player that sucks does not want a ring. Maybe Favre? He won 3 superbowls and could possibly take half the records before he finally retires. Elway went 14 seasons before he got his ring. No doubt he is a great QB. Plus you asked who I think is the best with no guidelines.
Ok, wait, let's do a fact check for a second. First of all, that's a complete mischaracterization of my "logic." I was saying you must have a Superbowl in order to be considered BEST EVER. I'm not saying anything about players who sucked or who were great but not best. The question I asked had to do with the BEST. That's the only guideline. Having won a Superbowl is inherent in being the best. I didn't know I had to say that.
Second, Favre won one "1" Superbowl. He went to another and lost to Elway. In fact, he had a better team than Elway, was heavily favored and then lost. If Favre wins this year with this team then he will move clearly ahead of Elway in my book. But it all won't matter anyways because they'll all be looking ahead at the true best ever, f*ck$ng "Joe Cool" Montana.
Why Joe Montana? I dont have anything against him, he went to Notre Dame so hes automatically cool.
Well, I'm from the Bay so I'm biased but there simply is no legitimate argument against Montana being the best. The only thing that people ever "criticize" him for is that he played with really good teams but that doesn't take away from what he did. If, for instance, someone else did what Montana did (4-0 in Superbowls, three Superbowl MVPs, two league MVPs, 8 Pro Bowls, the most ever postseason yards and TD passes, etc.) while playing on a clearly inferior team, then that guy would definitely be better than Montana. But, nobody has done that yet so there's no argument IMO.
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Did you even read that? If someone was on an inferior team, then accomplishing 4 super bowls would make them a great team. Just like the 90's Cowboys, the 70's Steelers, 80's 49ers, the 60's Packers, and the 00 Pats.
Out of those I would say the least respected is the Pats. The least talented perhaps as well. The Cowboys and 49ershad a crazy offense, Steelers had the Steel Curtain D, and the Packers had Lombardi
Basing the ranking on post season stats is limiting yourself to teams that make it to the playoffs alot. Thats a great team effort. Again not saying Montana wasnt awesome.
I completely disagree with the statement that "you have to have won a Superbowl in order to be CONSIDERED in the running for 'Best Quarterback'".
No, you really don't. You have to have won a Superbowl to be in the running for "Best Team", but not best quarterback. I think that Marino was the best quarterback.
No, you really don't. You have to have won a Superbowl to be in the running for "Best Team", but not best quarterback. I think that Marino was the best quarterback.
I'm not really going by any statistics here, but I like Favre the best just because of his tremendous attitude and determination towards the game.
He's the best in my book.
And I agree with Rakoczy, how many superbowl rings has almost NOTHING to do with being the best quarterback.
I mean it obviously shows your a good/great quarterback if you won a few rings, but as they say - 1 person doesn't make up the team.
He's the best in my book.
And I agree with Rakoczy, how many superbowl rings has almost NOTHING to do with being the best quarterback.
I mean it obviously shows your a good/great quarterback if you won a few rings, but as they say - 1 person doesn't make up the team.
You are giving the QB too much credit and blame for the team's performance during a super bowl. It is a team effort after all.
If Fran Tarkenton had played for the Steelers instead of the Vikings during the 70s, Tarkenton would have won 4 or even more Super Bowls. He would have been the same player he was, but with a better supporting crew. No, you don't have to win a Super Bowl to be the best ever. If you followed that logic, Trent Dilfer (quarterback of the Ravens when they won the Super Bowl) would be considered a better quarterback than Marino. Dilfer was a liability to his team whereas Marino made his team far better and did take his team to a Super Bowl as did Tarkenton three times.
Marino all the way. In the close second tier; Brady, Manning, (although I can't stand either one of them), Tarkenton, Staubach, Montana, Elway, Favre. I don't know much about the pre-70s quarterbacks, but I am sure there are some that would also be mentioned but qbs didn't get much credit back then for running that wing t formation.
If Fran Tarkenton had played for the Steelers instead of the Vikings during the 70s, Tarkenton would have won 4 or even more Super Bowls. He would have been the same player he was, but with a better supporting crew. No, you don't have to win a Super Bowl to be the best ever. If you followed that logic, Trent Dilfer (quarterback of the Ravens when they won the Super Bowl) would be considered a better quarterback than Marino. Dilfer was a liability to his team whereas Marino made his team far better and did take his team to a Super Bowl as did Tarkenton three times.
Marino all the way. In the close second tier; Brady, Manning, (although I can't stand either one of them), Tarkenton, Staubach, Montana, Elway, Favre. I don't know much about the pre-70s quarterbacks, but I am sure there are some that would also be mentioned but qbs didn't get much credit back then for running that wing t formation.
It is true that we place way too much importance on the QB. If we took someone like Drew Brees of New orleans, and gave him Daunte Stallworth, Randy Moss, Wes Welker and the weapons Brady has, I think Brees would have had an awesome year.
That being said, some QBs seem to have a sixth sense, where they can sense someone is about to crash into their back or blind side, and they move away from it. Montana and Marino definitely had this. Brady has it.
Winning Superbowls DOES add something to the QBs mystique and resume, but really when you come right down to it, it's just another regulation sixty minute professional football game. I think we have all seem regular season and playoff games that were far better than some superbowls.
That being said, some QBs seem to have a sixth sense, where they can sense someone is about to crash into their back or blind side, and they move away from it. Montana and Marino definitely had this. Brady has it.
Winning Superbowls DOES add something to the QBs mystique and resume, but really when you come right down to it, it's just another regulation sixty minute professional football game. I think we have all seem regular season and playoff games that were far better than some superbowls.