"Stop Worrying About Protein"
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For me, adding protein to my diet through shakes and mixing it with yogurt and oatmeal (not at the same time of course) is a really effective way to keep my eating on track. Once I started using supplements I found that my cravings for both sugar and carbs decreased. I am not trying to build 'bulky' muscles, but I definitely had improvements in both fat loss and muscle definition as I replaced the crappy stuff I ate with protein.
I agree with his point that you can't take a bunch of protein and expect to get big without working out. It's obvious that you need to work out in order for your body to utilize the protein you consume. However, I disagree with the statement that one does not need to "worry" or think about protein. Meal timing, and especially the time that you eat your protein does play an important role in maximizing muscle gains. The trick is finding the amount that works for you. I don't think everyone needs to be eating 200 grams of protein a day, and I think that is who this guy is trying to get at. I think there are a bunch of people who think they need excessive amounts of protein to build muscle. He's targeting those people here. However, this guy made it seem like it was unnecessary to even think about protein altogether, which I think is a bad idea. Most people eat enough protein day to day anyway, but some people do need to think about getting enough and eating it at the right times. From what I've read, a simple whey protein shake right after the workout will suffice. It has enough of the essential amino acids that take part in the muscle building process after a workout.
There's my two cents.
There's my two cents.
He does make some good points. He is addressing the beginner. In the beginning, it really does not matter. Gains will be made if training is proper. In the beginning, someone who wants to gain mass, should focus on training a lot more.
As one progresses in training age, nutrition plays a bigger and bigger roll. Specifically, if the goal is to increase size, the heart and soul of nutrition is getting enough. Enough what???? Enough everything.
There was a thread about this not too long ago. You can gain more than a pound of muscle a week. Is it going to happen consistently all the time??? No. But it is possible.
Remember, he is addressing the beginner. Protein does help repair muscle, as a trainee gains muscle and increases performance the need for protein increases.
Also, supplements do make life easier when it comes to getting what you need.
As one progresses in training age, nutrition plays a bigger and bigger roll. Specifically, if the goal is to increase size, the heart and soul of nutrition is getting enough. Enough what???? Enough everything.
There was a thread about this not too long ago. You can gain more than a pound of muscle a week. Is it going to happen consistently all the time??? No. But it is possible.
Remember, he is addressing the beginner. Protein does help repair muscle, as a trainee gains muscle and increases performance the need for protein increases.
Also, supplements do make life easier when it comes to getting what you need.
There's no reason to eat more protein than you need. However, you can't say protein doesn't help. If you first eat enough protein for a year, then less than enough for a year (while training hard) guess what year you will have the best size gains? 
and for those of you who will say "but the last year he is more experienced blablablabla" this is an example and you know what I mean. so STFU
and for those of you who will say "but the last year he is more experienced blablablabla" this is an example and you know what I mean. so STFU
I didn't watch the video, but I'm going to guess that by saying, "Protein doesn't build muscles" is a correct term.
Why do you ask? Well if you just eat protein but don't have any workout plan that stresses the muscles, then you will gain no muscle mass. Eating protein will probably help repair the muscles you already have, but I don't think it will promote increase until you do something to promote growth.
Why do you ask? Well if you just eat protein but don't have any workout plan that stresses the muscles, then you will gain no muscle mass. Eating protein will probably help repair the muscles you already have, but I don't think it will promote increase until you do something to promote growth.
but weight training surely doesn't build muscle. Try weight training and not eating anything, you won't get any bigger. Proteins are the building blocks of muscle, but you need stimulation for the body to see growth as nessecary.
In reality, weight training breaks down muscle. Rest and food builds them up again.
In reality, weight training breaks down muscle. Rest and food builds them up again.
Then don't comment on it.
There is certainly no other way to do it.
Many people are taking what the guy wearing shorts 3 sizes too small out of context. The basis of what he is saying is this.
1. For beginners, their better results will come from learning how to train better.
This is true
2. For beginners, as long as they are eating, results will be had.
This is true
He is talking to beginners, and within a specific context.
Weight training doesn't build any muscles, in my opinion. I'm not trying to disagree with you, except that if weight training builds muscles....
then all a fat guy has to do is squat a box of donuts for breakfast, bench press a 4 lbs burrito for lunch, curl a box of french fries, twist with a box of Oreos, power crunch with a plate of biscuits and gravy on his stomach, deadlift a pot of roasted pork, pull a extra large box of cheetos, and finally, to top it all off before bed, lifting a extra large bottle of milk shake off his chest while in an inclined rocking chair watching TV.
If your diet sucks, then no amount of lifting will do good for you, at least in the long run. Vice versa, any amount of additional cals or protein will do no good if you don't do any lifting.
then all a fat guy has to do is squat a box of donuts for breakfast, bench press a 4 lbs burrito for lunch, curl a box of french fries, twist with a box of Oreos, power crunch with a plate of biscuits and gravy on his stomach, deadlift a pot of roasted pork, pull a extra large box of cheetos, and finally, to top it all off before bed, lifting a extra large bottle of milk shake off his chest while in an inclined rocking chair watching TV.
If your diet sucks, then no amount of lifting will do good for you, at least in the long run. Vice versa, any amount of additional cals or protein will do no good if you don't do any lifting.
yeah, you have to train for your body to build muscle. But the weight training itself doesn't build it. The processes in the body which build muscle does, sattelite cells, or whatever. But the weight training "activate" those processes. You can't build a brick house without bricks, nomatter how eager your workers are to build.
and I agree with that beginners don't need to worry so much about their protein. Aslong as they eat they will be fine. I just disagree with saying "weight training is what builds muscle"
and I agree with that beginners don't need to worry so much about their protein. Aslong as they eat they will be fine. I just disagree with saying "weight training is what builds muscle"
Also, I agree with the beginners luck. In highschool, I gotten quite strong from my weight lifting sessions and I didn't really care about diet one way or the other.
Granted, I stopped all physical activities after highschool until recently. So I've been out of it for 4 1/2 years. lol.
Granted, I stopped all physical activities after highschool until recently. So I've been out of it for 4 1/2 years. lol.
Try to gain muscle without weight training. It is the primary stimulus for building muscle. Nutrition takes a distant second place.
You just described the diet of many of the best strength athletes out there.
From a gaining standpoint there is one main rule of nutrition, eat enough, then eat some more.
Eat breakfast, eat all the time, and eat before and after workouts, are the rest of the rules.
All other nutrition advice comes into play if you care what you look like.
I know you guys are discussing the wording, and not the meaning, of the "protein is not important" statement. But we are discussing what was said in the video.
Well, other than those shorts, he doesn't seem all that crazy.
At least, in the sense that you shouldn't go around thinking if you drink 6 protein shakes a day, you'll get huge cuz protein builds muscle. There are plenty of people more worried about protein intake than the quality of their program - and they wonder why they aren't huge.
You can't build muscle without working the muscle, and that will be very limited if you don't feed the muscle.
I agree with Georgen. Don't split hairs in the beginning - just get off your ass and workout, and don't forget to eat something. Pretty simple.
At least, in the sense that you shouldn't go around thinking if you drink 6 protein shakes a day, you'll get huge cuz protein builds muscle. There are plenty of people more worried about protein intake than the quality of their program - and they wonder why they aren't huge.
You can't build muscle without working the muscle, and that will be very limited if you don't feed the muscle.
I agree with Georgen. Don't split hairs in the beginning - just get off your ass and workout, and don't forget to eat something. Pretty simple.