Lift, Train, Fitness
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Aced it, not bad for one old woman in a stadium filled with young men (I was the only female there)
ticked of everything the tutors were marking on, probably helped that another person was running a drill by the same name, however mine was modified to take into account modern coaching principles and met the criteria perfectly
ticked of everything the tutors were marking on, probably helped that another person was running a drill by the same name, however mine was modified to take into account modern coaching principles and met the criteria perfectly
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I have got to stop watching YouTube exercise videos they make me so frustrated watching bad form being passed on and some of the worst offenders are the "popular" influencers. While I have always been picky about form, the more in depth I go with the science the less I can handle seeing shit exercise vids. I try to stay positive but I hate seeing injuries waiting to happen.
Have to agree. I no longer get wound up and only ever react if I see someone I have an actual connection to risk injury. Even then I only point out where the dangers lie without commenting on the specific form shown. It´s no use and they´ll just think I´m jealous of what the person in the video looks like.
Also: congratulations on your evaluation!
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this fire is in between home and where I go to uni, it is looking bad 10 houses gone already tonight
Vehicles on Scene: 63
Vehicles on Route: 29
Last Update: 9/9/2019, 9:00 PM
this is worse than the fires a little further west that have been on the news for the last few days.
this fire is in between home and where I go to uni, it is looking bad 10 houses gone already tonight
Vehicles on Scene: 63
Vehicles on Route: 29
Last Update: 9/9/2019, 9:00 PM
this is worse than the fires a little further west that have been on the news for the last few days.
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LEAVE IMMEDIATELY: Four suburbs in path of raging bushfire
As the report mentions, this fire to the south is out of control heading north, hubby is on edge as he is not sure if his crew will be kept to cover our area, or sent to join the hundred plus units already at the fire.
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sooo much video footage, much of it I am unable to share, reports from local fire crews are bad, houses (full streets), and businesses lost including servo and IGA, just watched a video of a wall of wind driven fire filmed at a high school. Lots of community support with accommodation for people and pets.
It is going to be a very long night
Edit: childcare centre and pub have gone, apparently fire lit by a kid, bragged about it on snapchat.
The area should be a wetland, but drought has dried it out, lots of paperbark trees.
It is going to be a very long night
Edit: childcare centre and pub have gone, apparently fire lit by a kid, bragged about it on snapchat.
The area should be a wetland, but drought has dried it out, lots of paperbark trees.
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I have run A LOT since starting my weight loss journey. I've received warnings about over-exercising and to mix it up to prevent injuries. While I appreciate the sentiments, the general warnings have been more harmful than helpful. They've acted as a psychological deterrent. I do try to mix it up and not over-exert myself but not to the degree I've been warned. That would squelch my progress. I see similar exercise and dietary advice given without carefully understanding what the real risk is in each case. The warnings are everywhere in a hyped up industry. The warnings seem to be a reaction to all the hype when a new technique is explained or shown. The warnings seem to be too broad based and not targeted to the actual specific risk that might be there in each individual. Meanwhile, individual, specific advice and reasons why injury is happening or weight is not being lost are missed.
I know this was about YouTube videos and that sounds like a clear case of very specifically knowing when a certain technique could cause an injury. But even in these cases, I think if you actually look at the numbers, the risk of injury is probably a lot less than what the corresponding warnings say it is. The body is quite resilient. It seems to me injuries happen over the long-term when done repeatedly incorrectly and with too much effort. If it's just an annoyance because the person is doing something incorrectly, that's a different type of objection masquerading as an injury-prevention deterrent. Injuries are more common in professional athletes too where forces are much greater than with the typical fitness enthusiast. The warnings just don't correspond to what most individuals do and seem to be geared toward extreme cases. I think we rarely actually see an injury in most laypersons because the person has given up on the particular exercise or moved on to another one by the time they get to a point where they may be a greater risk which may be months or years later after repeated incorrect form. I'm not excusing the showing and promotion of improper form. It's not a dismissal of the argument for proper form and the general wisdom of certain advice but it does seem to be an overreaction in most cases and I'm wondering why. Perhaps not so much in your case, Trusylver, bc of your level of performance but most people aren't power lifters or doing fitness full-time.
Plus who's to say certain form is really that bad. Advice on proper form changes year after year. Suggestions on the best exercise for a particular purpose change very quickly. It seems the smallest inconsistencies are over-scrutinized.
I'm sure I'll get push-back here but I'm intending to put it out there for discussion. In my experience the deterrence has been more of a hurdle than an actual injury. The warnings just don't seem to line up with what's actually happening. And also, even if there is an injury, people can heal quite quickly from an injury and go on. It's not the absolute worst thing in fitness yet it comes with grave and dire warnings. What gives?
I know this was about YouTube videos and that sounds like a clear case of very specifically knowing when a certain technique could cause an injury. But even in these cases, I think if you actually look at the numbers, the risk of injury is probably a lot less than what the corresponding warnings say it is. The body is quite resilient. It seems to me injuries happen over the long-term when done repeatedly incorrectly and with too much effort. If it's just an annoyance because the person is doing something incorrectly, that's a different type of objection masquerading as an injury-prevention deterrent. Injuries are more common in professional athletes too where forces are much greater than with the typical fitness enthusiast. The warnings just don't correspond to what most individuals do and seem to be geared toward extreme cases. I think we rarely actually see an injury in most laypersons because the person has given up on the particular exercise or moved on to another one by the time they get to a point where they may be a greater risk which may be months or years later after repeated incorrect form. I'm not excusing the showing and promotion of improper form. It's not a dismissal of the argument for proper form and the general wisdom of certain advice but it does seem to be an overreaction in most cases and I'm wondering why. Perhaps not so much in your case, Trusylver, bc of your level of performance but most people aren't power lifters or doing fitness full-time.
Plus who's to say certain form is really that bad. Advice on proper form changes year after year. Suggestions on the best exercise for a particular purpose change very quickly. It seems the smallest inconsistencies are over-scrutinized.
I'm sure I'll get push-back here but I'm intending to put it out there for discussion. In my experience the deterrence has been more of a hurdle than an actual injury. The warnings just don't seem to line up with what's actually happening. And also, even if there is an injury, people can heal quite quickly from an injury and go on. It's not the absolute worst thing in fitness yet it comes with grave and dire warnings. What gives?
Here's an example that annoys me to a great extent.
Injury Prevention for New Runners- Lower Injury Risk
The headline here is "New Runners Get Injured More Easily". When you read the article, it doesn't tell you what the overall injury rate is to begin with. If you follow the study link in the article (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00913847.2018.1507410), you can find out that over 4 years, among new and experienced runners, the injury rate is 9% or less. I would want to know that information up front so I can gauge my personal risk. I am a lot more careful than many others in how I go about my runs I feel so I believe my risk would be a little lower. But from reading the headline, I would just be scared that I'm doing something wrong as a beginner runner and that my risk would be higher if I'm not extra careful. It acts as a deterrence or even becomes an excuse not to train harder when the real risk for me might not be very high at all.
Risk communication is the issue here and it's often overblown.
Injury Prevention for New Runners- Lower Injury Risk
The headline here is "New Runners Get Injured More Easily". When you read the article, it doesn't tell you what the overall injury rate is to begin with. If you follow the study link in the article (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00913847.2018.1507410), you can find out that over 4 years, among new and experienced runners, the injury rate is 9% or less. I would want to know that information up front so I can gauge my personal risk. I am a lot more careful than many others in how I go about my runs I feel so I believe my risk would be a little lower. But from reading the headline, I would just be scared that I'm doing something wrong as a beginner runner and that my risk would be higher if I'm not extra careful. It acts as a deterrence or even becomes an excuse not to train harder when the real risk for me might not be very high at all.
Risk communication is the issue here and it's often overblown.
That´s horrendous.
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Rob there a few things, yes certainly you can do stuff less than perfectly, and shock horror not get hurt, however When it comes to lifting and exercises in the gym a small error can lead to catastrophic results. As trainers and coaches like doctors we have to work under the premise of "Do no harm"
When an exercise is posted up on YouTube with bad form, it does not comply with that do no harm principle.
One of the worst problems is exercises involving the spine. Many internet influencers will demonstrate with little or no weight yet still get it wrong. At best it makes the exercise useless but when the expected weight (which may not be very much weight at all) is added the consequences can be and are horrific. We all need to target the back for good health and rehab of back pain for many but when done wrong, it doesn't just heal quickly. (I had a friend break her back at work in a non exercise related activity at work two weeks ago, the effects are permanent but the forces involved were minimal). It is not just back exercises that are the problem, many ab videos put the spine in a bad position also.
as for other body parts It is not a good sight when you see somebody snap both wrists due to bad form (not somebody I coach), bad form I see time and time again on videos. Even small injuries that may or may not heal quickly can have a big impact on a persons life, especially if it impacts on their ability to work.
I agree, I also don't like the hype articles and I am no specialist when it comes to running so would rarely if ever give even the most general running advice.
Some injuries are simply built up over time doing an activity poorly, however the pain will not be at the point of injury so the person exercising may not associate the pain they are feeling with an exercise they may have been doing badly for years.
Yes, form on some exercises has changed over time as more research is done, you then run into the problem of those who do not trust science or keep up to date continuing to push doing things the way they have always done it regardless of any evidence that it may not be the best or safest way. At Uni there is a big focus on tying to improve communication of the science to coaches who will not read or understand traditional scientific papers. One of my assignments due next week is a report on talent identification using data I have gathered in a series of tests, however it has to be in the form of an infographic so that anybody can understand it. As pointed out in a lecture yesterday on coaching (long term athlete development), coaches when asked what would you like to see more studies on, they ask for stuff that has been studied to death and the coaches either did not understand the results when written up as a scientific paper or simply did not know where to look for the info they wanted.
On a personal level I certainly would never try to push somebody towards high level sport, It is something you need to have a passion for, and all elite athletes understand that high level sport is far from healthy, My body is a walking map of old injuries, While at almost 47 years old I can still do a lot than many others cannot or won't do, the costs health wise has been high . So when I am talking about added weight for exercises etc. It is in the context of the weight someone just looking to be fit would be lifting, not the weight an athlete may be using where injuries happen despite very good form.
Rob there a few things, yes certainly you can do stuff less than perfectly, and shock horror not get hurt, however When it comes to lifting and exercises in the gym a small error can lead to catastrophic results. As trainers and coaches like doctors we have to work under the premise of "Do no harm"
When an exercise is posted up on YouTube with bad form, it does not comply with that do no harm principle.
One of the worst problems is exercises involving the spine. Many internet influencers will demonstrate with little or no weight yet still get it wrong. At best it makes the exercise useless but when the expected weight (which may not be very much weight at all) is added the consequences can be and are horrific. We all need to target the back for good health and rehab of back pain for many but when done wrong, it doesn't just heal quickly. (I had a friend break her back at work in a non exercise related activity at work two weeks ago, the effects are permanent but the forces involved were minimal). It is not just back exercises that are the problem, many ab videos put the spine in a bad position also.
as for other body parts It is not a good sight when you see somebody snap both wrists due to bad form (not somebody I coach), bad form I see time and time again on videos. Even small injuries that may or may not heal quickly can have a big impact on a persons life, especially if it impacts on their ability to work.
I agree, I also don't like the hype articles and I am no specialist when it comes to running so would rarely if ever give even the most general running advice.
Some injuries are simply built up over time doing an activity poorly, however the pain will not be at the point of injury so the person exercising may not associate the pain they are feeling with an exercise they may have been doing badly for years.
Yes, form on some exercises has changed over time as more research is done, you then run into the problem of those who do not trust science or keep up to date continuing to push doing things the way they have always done it regardless of any evidence that it may not be the best or safest way. At Uni there is a big focus on tying to improve communication of the science to coaches who will not read or understand traditional scientific papers. One of my assignments due next week is a report on talent identification using data I have gathered in a series of tests, however it has to be in the form of an infographic so that anybody can understand it. As pointed out in a lecture yesterday on coaching (long term athlete development), coaches when asked what would you like to see more studies on, they ask for stuff that has been studied to death and the coaches either did not understand the results when written up as a scientific paper or simply did not know where to look for the info they wanted.
On a personal level I certainly would never try to push somebody towards high level sport, It is something you need to have a passion for, and all elite athletes understand that high level sport is far from healthy, My body is a walking map of old injuries, While at almost 47 years old I can still do a lot than many others cannot or won't do, the costs health wise has been high . So when I am talking about added weight for exercises etc. It is in the context of the weight someone just looking to be fit would be lifting, not the weight an athlete may be using where injuries happen despite very good form.
Evacuation warnings have been moved further north, they need to make the kids who lit this, help fight it 
it is coolish here at home so far, and my place is protected from the wind, so I am not sure how bad the weather will get today. Hubby has his fire gear at work with him, expecting to be called out again today. Just stepped outside and all I can smell is smoke.
Just have to keep an eye on the warnings.
I may not post on other diaries much, but I am reading them
it is coolish here at home so far, and my place is protected from the wind, so I am not sure how bad the weather will get today. Hubby has his fire gear at work with him, expecting to be called out again today. Just stepped outside and all I can smell is smoke.
Just have to keep an eye on the warnings.
I may not post on other diaries much, but I am reading them
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Tru - please don't worry at all about responding to diaries. Thoughts are with you and your husband and all firefighters today.
Our volunteer firefighters are truly, heart-stoppingly heroic. Even being careless enough to let a fire happen (in my region it's happened by idiots driving through long grass with hot exhausts) is close enough to criminal negligence; lighting a fire is despicable.
Our volunteer firefighters are truly, heart-stoppingly heroic. Even being careless enough to let a fire happen (in my region it's happened by idiots driving through long grass with hot exhausts) is close enough to criminal negligence; lighting a fire is despicable.
As a southerner living in Queensland I can see how bad it could get later in the year down south. The sort of fire we have here at the moment used to be unheard of in Queensland
I can't argue with any of this, Tru. You obviously know a lot more than I do and have a very developed level of knowledge about fitness. I do know though that I'm turned off by a lot of the instruction and warnings given out as general advice in the fitness community. I don't take much instruction from YouTube videos unless I'm confident of the source and the experience of the instructor.
I understand the warnings when improper form can result in lifelong disability but I'd still like to see numbers on it. I hear the outrage and I don't doubt it's real and possible but I still think it would be good to have estimates.
Another example are planks. They have been all the rage along with core exercises these last 5-10 years it seems. I saw you mentioned, they are not the best exercise to get at the core however I find it really difficult to believe that they would result in a life-long disabling injury if Joe Layperson who's doing them is following a half-way decent instructional video. In fact, Joe Layperson may get a little benefit although it may not be optimal.
The other aspect is that is depends on so many things, the individual's experience and body size, the exercise chosen, weight, duration, intensity, and maybe even the weather or the person's astrological sign (joking). It's just an industry ripe with misinformation and confusion and that's all taken advantage of by vendors and even some trainers. Some information may seem completely arbitrary but in fact could be incredibly important. It's hard to know when you don't know anything to begin with.
The science is not always clear either and can contradict itself. You have to understand how research progresses and it's not always linear. I can see where some people may not trust some of it especially when they're being pulled in other directions with other stakeholders involved and they have a job to do. Figuring out ways to streamline the evidence and effectively deliver it to those in influential positions seems critical. Although I'm not sure there will ever be enough power to overcome all the hype and misinformation out there. Could be a never-ending uphill battle.
To me it often feels like a big mess, lots of noise. You have to cut through so much BS to figure out the good stuff and that whole process can keep you from actually engaging in the actual activity where most of your time should be spent anyway. And in my experience, as long as I just get out and attempt most anything, I'm generally going to end up better off as long as I'm careful. The deterrence has kept me from doing more of that in the past.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts. High quality discussion. For me, I'll keep hacking away at it.
Stay safe with those close by fires!
your right for most people they are simply not as effective as they believe they are, as for plank injuries, it was brought up in a lecture about footballers (Rugby League) picking up injuries from holding the position for a long time, with the injuries being caused because they compensate with muscles in a way they shouldn't. When done with perfect form they should not be able to be held for minutes at a time. I will have to look through my notes to see if I can find a study reference for the injury side. But again for the average person that lacks motivation to hold a plank in the wrong position for a long time the injury risk is low. One of the problems that causes injury is when the spine is not kept in a neutral alignment . Shoulders also need to be retracted correctly to minimise shoulder problems.
Why Planks Are Not The Best Core Exercise - Allied Magazine I have no connection with this page at all but the article is well written to explain some of the problems. and I most certainly agree with the recommendation to do dead bugs.
yep, spot on, It is frustrating putting in the time to be able to do the best you can for a client only to see those entering the industry with sub standard education (online training where the student trainer never sets foot in a gym) dishing out bad advice and advice well beyond the scope of practice, that is if they even have any qualifications at all. A good body because your young and genetically gifted does not make you a good trainer. Fighting against the latest fitness fads can be like trying to swim up a waterfall. As I mentioned in my earlier post, being able to clearly get the well research information from scientist to trainers and the general public is a challenge, even more so when your trying to avoid the hype.
The gym where I spend most of my time which is owned by a friend, employs one of those types of trainers, however the gym will only allow him to basically be a cheerleader in front of group fitness classes under supervision. At most other gyms or out working for himself he would be a danger to clients. At times a cheerleader is what is needed, especially at a 5 am group class.
Its like all of the training routines you can buy online claiming to get you the fittest you have ever been etc. They all come from great marketers. In reality, almost all routines will work to some extent, and for the right person it may be just the routine they needed at that time, and for the honest marketers, this is the pool of people who will give genuine good feedback and progress shots. The less reputable will just use stock photos and fake testimonials.
This is a good way to be, unfortunately, common sense is lacking in many.
Cate
Long term member
Oh, Tru. I am so sorry I have hardly been in here much the last few days. I just came out in goosebumps catching up with all of your posts about the fires. I have hardly been home, but saw the fires on TV, not realising they were so close to you. This year is going to be horrendous. Your husband is worth his weight in gold. We rely mostly on volunteer fire-fighters here & I don't think I can properly express how much I value them. Stay safe my WLF friend!