Where I'm at... and looking to build muscle mass.

Ok... here's a pic of where I'm at after 7 months of a pretty solid diet and weight routine. I'm 20 lbs lighter than I was in December... and definitely in a lot better shape. However, I was hoping to have gained more lean muscle mass... and am struggling big time on that goal. I weigh 149 - 151 and would like to put on 15 lbs of muscle. I know I need to eat more calories, and am going to take the advice I was given and do that, but I'm concerned about gaining some chub back in the process. Give and take I guess...

Anyway, please give brutally honest advice as to what you think and any areas I should target to improve. Any other advice for muscle mass building would be appreciated! (Target # of sets and reps, # of exercises per body part, etc.) Thanks!!

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Nice frame to put on the muscle. Your abs and chest are looking pretty solid. I would continue to work on those as everyone loves that part to look nice. In addition though, you traps, shoulder, and lats (wings) are almost non-existent. I'd workout on bigger guns as well. Hey, you did ask for brutal honesty.

In term of gaining muscle, there WILL be some fat gain along with it (that's the bad news). Here is the good news if done right, you might gain only as little as 20% fat while 80% muscle versus on a weight lost where you will LOSE some musle but it's more like 20% muscle lost and 80% fat lost. So, you get the idea... Gain some muscle with little fat then lose lots of fat and some muscle; rinse, repeat.

Beside those criticism, congradulaion on trimming down; honestly I think you are about 9.5-11% bodyfat; that is amazing man.
 
Nice work so far. I was surpirised to see you weigh 150. How tall are you? If i were you I would not try to over think it in terms fo routine. Check out Huge in a Hurry by Chad Waterbury. There is a good Get Big phase in there.
If that were my pic I'd be very happy. I think you are definitely sub-10% BF. I would however want to see some gains in my shoulders. But the above routine I mentioned can help with that. Plenty of compound moves and upper back, shoulder work.
 
Thanks for the feeback and compliments guys. Very appreciated. Both repped.

TenP - I'm a touch over 5'10". Cause I'm a curious fella... do you think I look like I weigh more or less than 150? If more, its probably cause my legs are toothpicks and in need of some serious work... which I plan on starting on this week, actually.

One thing I'm constantly questioning is my set and rep counts. So many resources claim the muscle building sets should be very heavy weight, 2 - 4 reps. l've kind of followed that to this point... making sure two of my sets for each exercise are heavy enough to only be able to do 2 - 4 reps. However, I'm seeing more often now that pro's are saying 8 - 12 reps will build muscle. Whats the consensus on this?? also, how many sets-to-failure per exercise is recommended for mass these days?? can you give me an example of what an arm workout looks like for you? any advice would be appreciated.

thanks again for taking the time to respond. i workout at home and don't have anyone to leverage for advice... so I'm hoping that joining this forum will help me go to the next level.
 
Hi there,
You look in pretty good shape. As you've mentioned yourself and others, you will need to increase your calorie intake to help you increase muscle mass.
In terms of areas to increase, I would definately say your back, shoulders and arms, but that should come with a carefully planned full body routine.
In terms of reps and sets, I would say that 2-4 reps is definately to little. I have the ranges and goals on my website if you want to have a look. But yeah, I would say to go with 8 - 12 reps.
There are many things you can do for your arms. Just some quick ideas is incorporating arms with other workouts, I mean it's not primarily working your arms, but it helps and you will notice it after time. For example, close grip bench press (triceps) and seated row (biceps)...
 
Hi there,
You look in pretty good shape. As you've mentioned yourself and others, you will need to increase your calorie intake to help you increase muscle mass.
In terms of areas to increase, I would definately say your back, shoulders and arms, but that should come with a carefully planned full body routine.
In terms of reps and sets, I would say that 2-4 reps is definately to little. I have the ranges and goals on my website if you want to have a look. But yeah, I would say to go with 8 - 12 reps.
There are many things you can do for your arms. Just some quick ideas is incorporating arms with other workouts, I mean it's not primarily working your arms, but it helps and you will notice it after time. For example, close grip bench press (triceps) and seated row (biceps)...

Thanks! I will definitely check out your site.

I have another question actually... something I've always kind of wondered about: I'm usually just slightly sore in the 48 hours following lifting (per body part). I'm wondering what level of "soreness" should be felt... or is "soreness" even a measurement of something?? There are times I feel more sore than others and I've had a hard time figuring out why. Same goes with feeling "pumped up". Sometimes I'll feel pumped up all week... and other times I'll feel kind of deflated... even after lifting? I'm sure there are a lot of factors, but what are some main points I can consider around those two things? Not even sure if those questions are logical... but I've always kind of wondered about it, so i'd thought I'd toss it out there for some professional/experienced input. Thanks!
 
Thanks! I will definitely check out your site.

I have another question actually... something I've always kind of wondered about: I'm usually just slightly sore in the 48 hours following lifting (per body part). I'm wondering what level of "soreness" should be felt... or is "soreness" even a measurement of something?? There are times I feel more sore than others and I've had a hard time figuring out why. Same goes with feeling "pumped up". Sometimes I'll feel pumped up all week... and other times I'll feel kind of deflated... even after lifting? I'm sure there are a lot of factors, but what are some main points I can consider around those two things? Not even sure if those questions are logical... but I've always kind of wondered about it, so i'd thought I'd toss it out there for some professional/experienced input. Thanks!


* I'm going to post this question in the bodybuilding section as well *
 
Soreness = DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness)

This is not the best indicator of a good session. More intermediate/advanced trainee's may hardly feel DOMS due to their bodys adaptability.

As long as your progressing in strength/size/endurance then your on track. Diet is the key to recovery however. If your diet is poor you will recover poorly.

BTW, you have a nice, lean base to put on some decent mass ;)
 
from a female's point of view, i think you look fine just the way you are. i don't know what your legs look like, but from what i can see you look like you've done a great job. keep up the good work!
 
TenP - I'm a touch over 5'10". Cause I'm a curious fella... do you think I look like I weigh more or less than 150? If more, its probably cause my legs are toothpicks and in need of some serious work... which I plan on starting on this week, actually.

One thing I'm constantly questioning is my set and rep counts. So many resources claim the muscle building sets should be very heavy weight, 2 - 4 reps. l've kind of followed that to this point... making sure two of my sets for each exercise are heavy enough to only be able to do 2 - 4 reps. However, I'm seeing more often now that pro's are saying 8 - 12 reps will build muscle. Whats the consensus on this?? also, how many sets-to-failure per exercise is recommended for mass these days?? can you give me an example of what an arm workout looks like for you? any advice would be appreciated.

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I would have thought you weighed more. I have you by two inches and 40lbs. But I am not as lean as you. But at 39 years old I feel good about where I am. is a recent pic for comparison.

As for rep range. I don't over think it. My routine is full body 3 days a week. The Huge in A Hurry routine is the one I follow right now. I don't do arm days. Or any specific body part day for that matter. Gains are more about diet than routine. Pick up heavy stuff and put it back down. And eat. :)
 
Soreness = DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness)

This is not the best indicator of a good session. More intermediate/advanced trainee's may hardly feel DOMS due to their bodys adaptability.

As long as your progressing in strength/size/endurance then your on track. Diet is the key to recovery however. If your diet is poor you will recover poorly.

BTW, you have a nice, lean base to put on some decent mass ;)

I see. I'm kind of worried about the equipment I have access to hindering my progress. Is it safe to say I should probably look to joining a gym this fall/winter if I want to be dead serious about putting on muscle mass... or can I expect to get the same results with dumbells and resistance bands?

Also, and this is probably more for the nutrition sectoion (but since you mentioned diet), here's my daily meal plan:

6:30 AM - 1 Whole Egg, 5 Egg Whites, 1 serving oatmeal, 8 oz skim milk, coffee

9:00 AM - Protein shake (30g), banana

Noon - Tuna/Chicken salad sandwich w/ wheat bread, handfull of cashews, 12 oz skim milk

3:00 PM - Protein bar (10g, 180 calories)

6:00 PM - some sort of meat, 1 serving brown rice, 1 serving green veggies

9:00 PM - Protein shake (30g)

This seems to be pretty common... and for me I feel like I'm always eating with this plan. For mass building, can you give me some input as to where/what I should increase... or what I should change in my diet??

Thanks!!!!!
 
from a female's point of view, i think you look fine just the way you are. i don't know what your legs look like, but from what i can see you look like you've done a great job. keep up the good work!

thank you for the compliment lillian! nice to hear every once in a while.... especially from a female! ;-)
 
thank you for the compliment lillian! nice to hear every once in a while.... especially from a female! ;-)

you're welcome! i personally think lean looks better than huge. hopefully compliments will help keep you motivated. :)
 
Gains are more about diet than routine. Pick up heavy stuff and put it back down. And eat. :)

Haha, that's perfect advice really

The only think I'd give as advice to you, TytMyk, is to accept now that you might lose a bit of ab definition on the way to your goal. The biggest killer of any programme is indecision and people who try and gain bulk but are constantly worried by 'muscle tone' often end up undereating and compromising their gains. Look at what Tic wrote about bulking/cutting, you can always drop the fat gained in time for next summer and you'll look a whole lot better for it
 
Haha, that's perfect advice really

The only think I'd give as advice to you, TytMyk, is to accept now that you might lose a bit of ab definition on the way to your goal. The biggest killer of any programme is indecision and people who try and gain bulk but are constantly worried by 'muscle tone' often end up undereating and compromising their gains. Look at what Tic wrote about bulking/cutting, you can always drop the fat gained in time for next summer and you'll look a whole lot better for it

Typhon - You nailed it as far as my problem is concerned. I have a mental hang-up on losing the muscle tone I've worked for over the past 7 months. I guess I'll have to get over that, first-and-foremost. One of those things thats pretty obvious but doesn't set in til you hear it from someone else. Thanks.
 
Typhon - You nailed it as far as my problem is concerned. I have a mental hang-up on losing the muscle tone I've worked for over the past 7 months. I guess I'll have to get over that, first-and-foremost. One of those things thats pretty obvious but doesn't set in til you hear it from someone else. Thanks.

Haha, no worries, I've been there myself, very recently in fact and most people on here have suffered from it too at one point or another, it's why setting goals and being prepared before you set out for each goal is important.

Good luck
 
Haha, no worries, I've been there myself, very recently in fact and most people on here have suffered from it too at one point or another, it's why setting goals and being prepared before you set out for each goal is important.

Good luck

Thanks man. I'm going to make a serious effort to start builiding mass this fall/winter. Probably be seeking some additional advice on supplements when the time comes...
 
Anyway, please give brutally honest advice as to what you think and any areas I should target to improve. Any other advice for muscle mass building would be appreciated! (Target # of sets and reps, # of exercises per body part, etc.) Thanks!!

When the chips are down, and when all the smoke clears, and the bottom line is revealed, my advice (and others) on what you should do/improve upon will crack and weather as compared to your wants and desires for health and fitness beating in your heart. Check with your heart at the door, before you walk through and receive/accept advice.

Do you WANT to stay lean and/or build endurance, etc, etc.

Do you WANT to put on some more lean muscle?

Seems like a redundant question, but it isn't.

Personal goals can be different.

What is it YOU want out of diet and fitness?

If so, do you have a good grasp of reality when it comes to building improving muscle mass in terms of months, years of work, your particular nutirtional properties (learn and adjust as you go), and learning from the extent of your previous training experience.

To "improve" muscle mass, believe it or not, can be a very individual experience and experimentation.

Some who embark on improving their muscle mass, seem to get out of control on their calories, as it seems it gives them a free ticket to eat whatever and whenever they wish in the quantities they desire, and wonder why they are putting on too much fat in the process.

If you are concerned about this, listen up, for a second.

Putting on some fat is not only "necessary" but inevitable when trying to improve muscle mass.

If putting on muscle mass is your personal goal, then its my opinion that you have to at least "grasp" the idea that in NORMAL (average, post newbie wonder gains) circumstances, that biological accumulation of fat normally exceeds the body ability to biologically/chemically to produce muscle.

The way you "attempt" to control this, is though knowing your personal particulars in how many calories/macros you need. This is true unless you are a rare genetic/metabolic wonder human (which do exist). Even then there is a limit, though the bar is a bit higher than most.

Therefore, set calories and macros in line with what you want from your training. Do not set the surplus to high, be reasonable with it, and adjust calories and/or macros as you see the feed back coming/not coming.

Another notation: Gaining good muscle weight (in the sense of time, and speaking in average, understanding exceptions), is a kin to the same-speed like when losing fat issue, its close kin (albiet the amount can differentiate), especially for the FIRST year new person, and after that (assuming things are right), it tends to slow with a more trained person, etc, etc.

Good material to read:







Now that you have the idea that fat accumulation "can be" theroretically controlled, and being so lean now, do not let this worry you so much. What you learn while attempting to gain muscle, can be used to lose the minor amount of fat tissue gained in the process. A lot of it is just putting the gear in reverse, and adjust calories, and macros to your personal situation.

Here are some other quality source material for muscle hypertrophy:



(several articles here, by a person I respect)






Best wishes for your personal goals.


Peace.


Best regards,


Chillen
 
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I personally perfer to go from 5-8 reps for 3 sets for mass building if you exclude warmups. I'd avoid going 2-4 reps for too long of a duration, that is extremely close to maxxing out. 8-12 reps is more maintaince / rep endurance in my book.
 
Chillen - Again... thanks for the wealth of information! Looks like I have some reading to do! Your insight brings a lot to light. I appreciate you taking the time to help me out!

Tic - Thanks for the suggestion. Starting to become pretty clear to me that I need to increase my rep counts a touch. Do you consider the last rep of your 5 - 8 your the last complete rep? ....or is it the rep you fail on?
 
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