When should I run?

Larrabee said:
Oh ya, and you do know who Dr. John Berardi is right? You better if you think you know anything about fitness and nutrition.
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hey like i said, i dont want to start an argument. But there are a lot of people who believe fasted cardio is effective in burning fat. I'm not calling you a liar at all. I would like a medical explanation why...that is all. once i have that, and i see it, i will beleive it.

If fitness was such an exact science we wouldnt be here having this conversation would we?
 
junkfoodbad said:
hey like i said, i dont want to start an argument. But there are a lot of people who believe fasted cardio is effective in burning fat. I'm not calling you a liar at all. I would like a medical explanation why...that is all. once i have that, and i see it, i will beleive it.

If fitness was such an exact science we wouldnt be here having this conversation would we?
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i hear you there. You are going to lose fat, but there are so many factors like a calorie deficit, limiting all sugar, and other factors.

You will lose fat, but at the expence of losing muscle mass too! So it F's you in the long run. The only reason it would be reccomened would be for bodybuilders in the last weeks preping for a competition.
 
junkfoodbad said:
the keyword here is believe. if i believe that i can survive a plane crash, does that make it true?
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He is right... I can dig up some info from my med textbooks if you would like. Just let me know :D
 
Larrabee said:
No this is not true, the diffrence in fat-loss between subjects that do fastened state cardio to those who eat is almost the same. And without eating your body is going to take fuel from your lean-muscle. And in turn you burn fewer calories throughout the day.
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thats what i thought...but i dont know much anyway : )
 
Also I think John Berardi talked about this is some detail in episode 5 of the show. I can't remember though, maybe I will relisten to it tonight.
 
Klipse said:
I know it's best to lift and do cardio after, but I like running when I wake up before I eat. So is it better to run when I wake up and workout later on after I have some breakfast and lunch in my system? Or should I just run after I workout?

What are the benefits of these two scenarios?
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All arguments aside, the fact that you like to run in the morning should be the deciding factor. The best exercise program is the one that you will actually do. As far as the running affecting your weight workouts, it depends on the how intense your running program is, how much time between the running and weight workouts and your recovery ability. I would also include your nutrition and amount of sleep as important factors. There are people that regularly do two workouts a day.
 
Kcon said:
There are people that regularly do two workouts a day.
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Ya, proffesional bodybuilders. And thats only 4 days a week so then can get max rest on their off days. The everyday gym goes should not be doing 2 a days. And if you are you must be eating about 1000 cals over maitenance.
 
Larrabee said:
Ya, proffesional bodybuilders. And thats only 4 days a week so then can get max rest on their off days. The everyday gym goes should not be doing 2 a days. And if you are you must be eating about 1000 cals over maitenance.
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No. Just go to Crossfit and see how many there do two workouts a day. Also, one of his workouts is running and the other lifting. He nevers says how far he runs or what his weight workouts are like. So, two workouts a day can sound like alot, but it might be less intense than one workout.
 
Kcon said:
No. Just go to Crossfit and see how many there do two workouts a day. Also, one of his workouts is running and the other lifting. He nevers says how far he runs or what his weight workouts are like. So, two workouts a day can sound like alot, but it might be less intense than one workout.
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i dont really consider this 2 workouts. i do a cardio everyday and i lift 3 days a week. On lift days i usually do less cardio, but its all part of the same workout.
 
Wow thanks for the quick info guys. All this being said I will probably just do my cardio after my workout. I do like running in the morning because it wakes me up, but if results will be pretty much the same fasted and nonfasted, ill just do it after working out. Big downside to fasted running for me is that I don't have my normal energy for my workout later on in the day.
 
junkfoodbad said:
i dont really consider this 2 workouts. i do a cardio everyday and i lift 3 days a week. On lift days i usually do less cardio, but its all part of the same workout.
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do you do cardio then lift later on in the day?

I was thinkin bout doing this

wake up 8:00 AM - early mornin cardio

8:30 - breakfast

10:30 -snack

12:30 lift

1:00 PM - lunch

then snacks in between lunch n dinner.
 
Cryptik said:
do you do cardio then lift later on in the day?

I was thinkin bout doing this

wake up 8:00 AM - early mornin cardio

8:30 - breakfast

10:30 -snack

12:30 lift

1:00 PM - lunch

then snacks in between lunch n dinner.
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I tried it for about 2 days, on the 3rd day, i said screw it and went back to bed. I'm usually a morning person, but i started dreading cardio in the morning and i didnt want to start hating exercising so i quickly changed back.

I do 20-25 min HIIT or 1.5 hrs racquetball on days i dont lift. On days i lift i do 30 min medium intensity cardio, or a 45-60 min brisk walk in the park.

cardio is usually done immediately after i lift
 
Cryptik said:
do you do cardio then lift later on in the day?

I was thinkin bout doing this

wake up 8:00 AM - early mornin cardio

8:30 - breakfast

10:30 -snack

12:30 lift

1:00 PM - lunch

then snacks in between lunch n dinner.
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Do it all in one workouts, just stick to doing it right after lifting and try to do HIIT not slow-paced running.

That way your body has more time to recover.
 
Larrabee said:
No this is not true, the diffrence in fat-loss between subjects that do fastened state cardio to those who eat is almost the same. And without eating your body is going to take fuel from your lean-muscle. And in turn you burn fewer calories throughout the day.
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what i put up there is by lyle mcdonald..and if you read it correctly you would see i was saying over 24hrs they are both the same..so you might as well eat something and have a stronger workout.
 
lol, I love the sig man..
"cutting & keeping muscle"
mine should be
"cutting & gaining muscle" :D
Larrabee, with fasted cardio, its a double edged sword.. we all know that. BUT, reading articles articles does not make you an expert. Berardi is a genius. The guy really knows his sh*t. But I have yet to read him tote any real evidence. Until then, I will continue eating properly, doing my cardio in a fasted state and losing fat. (and no I am actually up 2+ lbs of LBM since i began my cutting cycle.. Trust me, im not genetically inclined either.)
We all have our own opinions on these things, I would be glad to stop if I read/saw anything concrete telling me that what I do is really bad, but.... I havent.
 
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I think a great article written about this is here by Tom.



For me I only do morning cardio 1-2 times a week on days I am not lifting. Seems to work fine, I don't ever push and make sure to do it the right way. I think a big problem is people will push it to hard and to long. You do this and of course it is going to bring forth negative results. Proper balance in cardio is just as important as in lifting.
 
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