What would you pay?

Steve said:
To have the body of your dreams today?
I was thinking randomly today about how much $ people spend on diets, pills, programs, special foods, books, clubs, gyms, surgery, etc, etc and it's really astonishing.

I think what really gets me thinking is the fact that we all know obtaining our optimal bodies overnight isn't possible. It requires hard, consistent work over a number of years for most of us. There's a *cost*. The cost is different for all of us... or I suppose I should say is perceived differently. Whether it's the cost of time, of saying no to your poor eating habits, to ditching the sedentary lifestyle you once led... whatever.... there's a cost.

Most often people desperately spend money b/c they can't manage the above costs adequately. But spending money is obviously a cost. So it seems that people are more likely to part with their money than their time, habits, cookies, etc.

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I have reached two personal milestones in my fitness quests, and reached the body of my dreams at nearing 50 years old.

And, I never and I repeat, never, had to spend a lot of money. But I do, have a lot of personal time invested.

I didn't buy into the multi-bull-shit the media puts out, nor buy into their diarrhea breath. I look at things with educated eyes, realize the "base line" truth, and just flat get to work.

I have taken only 3 supplements (flax and fish oil, and whey protein powder--until recently, as I am taking a Creatine Matrix in bulk attempt). I used Whey Protein powder sparingly and usually around pre and post workouts (along with appropriate carbs). Otherwise I want solid and healthy wholesome foods. ALL I need is to be brain-buster in my personal diet, and friggen apply education when throwing the friggen weights around a full-body routine.

My home gym was a one time cost, three years ago.

I paid a little to get: priceless health. When all the smoke clears on the cosmetic appearance, this is what matters, most of all.

However, there is only one item I put no price tag on. EDUCATION. I will seek information, and pay for quality source material to read. This has an open wallet.

I will pay for truth, for my priceless health, not bull-shit.

We must guide the ship, correctly. And simply be the right captain.


Best wishes

Chillen
 
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I_love_muscle said:
Your argument against me actually proves the problem is systemic. Read your post again.
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There might be a psychology behind it, but I think, for the most part, it's systemic. Sedentary and/or obese parents usually end up with sedentary and/or obese kids.
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I took your whole paragraph together, so this may be a misunderstanding.

I thought you meant this was "systemic" in the sense that it was passed on from family member to family member.

It didn't sound like it was "systemic" in the sense that it was a societal problem.
 
Chillen, you're just awesome.

Really interesting how 'worth it' is all in the eye of the beholder.

I've paid my price... the doc I've been working with isn't covered by my health insurance, and not cheap. But going there HAS helped me lose weight. Its given me huge accountability (I'm paying for this... better make it worthwhile). But at the same time I've been acquiring new 'habits' for a healthier lifestyle... better eating habits, better workout habits... so DEFINITELY worth the $$. And these are habits I will keep when I am done going to this doctor. I know there are others that went through the same program, but they didn't take it to the extreme I have... don't know if they'll continue to stay healthy or not.

I don't have a gym membership, but I do pay for my martial arts and yoga classes. I have workout equipment at home, workout DVDs, etc. All very important tools... to me.

Then there's not just the price in money or time, but what you are willing to do "TO" your body, and the price you pay physically.

I know a lot of people have considered, or have had the gastric bypass surgery. And there's a hefty price to pay along with that. I know a couple people that have had it done, and they are happy with it for the most part... but they've had health complications along with it. Personally, that's a line I will not cross, and I am VERY glad I kicked myself in the ass and took the weight off before I became somebody that could be a candidate for that surgery.
 
WineDeer said:
I took your whole paragraph together, so this may be a misunderstanding.

I thought you meant this was "systemic" in the sense that it was passed on from family member to family member.

It didn't sound like it was "systemic" in the sense that it was a societal problem.
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Yeah, that's what I meant when I said "systemic". There are lots of skinny and fit parents that have obese kids and, conversely, not all obese parents have obese kids.

It is a direct result of how we are living, eating, etc.
 
There are a lot of choices we make as parents that it isn't all that clear cut what the right answer is. Raising kids these days is not like it was twenty years ago. It used to be that kids could go out and play and run around the neighborhood and just be active from sun up to sun down. Now if you allow your kid to go out unsupervised you can be brought up on charges of neglect. Sure you can give your kids a strictly healthy diet and teach them about good choices and proper health, but society, even a child's realm, is saturated with misinformation. You are just another piece for him to put in it's place.

For example, I pack my kids lunch every day. The school lunch is just garbage, everyday. They would rather eat pizza like their friends, but they get BP&J. Now, am I teaching them good healthy eating habits or am I teaching them that a parent can bully a child into something they disagree with? I compromise by letting them buy one day a week and bring four days. They chose which day they buy.

Each day there are choices that a parent makes for his kids on what example to show. Not always is there a good answer.
 
If i had the extra money -i'd glady pay for a decent face - good hair - good skin - boob uplift - get rid of the saggy skin on my butt, thighs, stomach, arms...

The eating right isn't hard -though it's a challenge at times.

Fitness takes a long time and somethings I'll never be able to do - so a complete body replacement would be good..

but I'm cheap and don't like pain so it's not gonn ahappen...
 
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1. Proper Education to Support Fitness Goals

A. Study applications of various dieting techniques.
B. Study application of various resistance training techniques, methods, and programs
C. Study methods to overcome weaknesses and improve strengths.
D. On the mental side
E. On the Physical side (how to prevent injury, work with injuries, and weak points, etc)

2. Proper Personalized Diet

A. Develop a Diet Journal
B. Carefully (and reasonably) watch your body's adaption process
C. Adapt to this Personal Feedback and Personal History--education based
D. Learn how to manipulate the calorie and macro nutrients
E. Understand "your glucose stores" and how it works
F. Understand the importance of when to increase blood sugar and when not to (especially having a dieting lifestyle to lose quality tissue).
G. Pre/Post workout meals
H. Food Cravings: Master them with FOOD, and proactive involvement, and with education within (A through G).

3. Proper Weight Training/Fitness Routine

A. Develop a Weight Training Journal
B. "Aggressively assaulting" progression at every affordable and reasonable opportunity given on-the-fly IN the gym, and preparing for it OUT of the gym.
C. Carefully (and reasonably) watch your body's adaption process
D. Adapt to this Personal Feedback and Personal History--education based
E. Proper form and execution of exercises.

4. Proper Rest/Recuperation

A. Diet gives the biological base for growth and/or decrease in body fat. Weight training is the stimulation to give the opportunity for the biological base to function in a biologically expensive process, and this rebuilding and growth occurs at rest OUT of the gym.

5. Learn and Adapt from Mistakes Made from applying educated principles within your diet and weight training. Use your mind to create a remarkable and unparalleled ability to realize and use mental resourcefulness to master all personal difficulties to create personal opportunities to improve. Implement. Make a mistake? Adapt and overcome.

6. Master yourself. Master your life. Prioritize your fitness goals and create lifestyle habits.....that points to your fitness goals.


7. Motivation. Learn what motivates you to perform items 1 through 6.

(Chillen)

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You have to write it yourself.

And, update it as you make your walk.

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Best wishes

Chillen
 
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I'm contemplating dropping almost $15,000 on a ROM machine. If you haven't heard of em, do a google search on the "Range of Motion" machine, Outside magazine has two videos posted about it.

but then, when I really think about it, I figure it would just be like every other piece of exercise equipment I've ever purchased. Used for a few weeks then put away or hidden behind other objects...
 
Price Paid: Time investment in Education, some sweat, and throwing the box of tissues away for: HEART.

I know that I can be somewhat unorthodox in my posts, by my heart is in the right place.

People whom have been successful with their fitness goals, have something within them, that keeps the motivation strummed, and its called "heart".

I am going to use myself as an example:

What of my greatest assets and one of my greatest enemies is: Stubbornness.

This came to a pivotal point last year, but my "heart" governed by education is what ultimately lead to winning a seemingly losing battle.

For most of my fat loss, I never had to tweak Carbohydrates. Basically, all I had to do is set a calorie deficit (in my own 24 hour cycle style), workout 4 times per week, and fat came off rather easily. I could eat any type of Carbohydrate and at any time. It simply didn't matter, as long as a deficit was present, fat loss came (very brief synopsis).

About March 2007 (just prior to joining the forum), a fat loss plateau developed at about the 9%-10% BF range, with me wanting to get to about 8%.

For 3 months, I "refused" to tweak carbohydrates, because of my past history of not having a complication with them being at relatively normal consumption levels with adequate fat loss rate.

For 3 months, I was manipulating the heck out of my weight training routine, and calorie deficits (NOT macro-nutrients). And this is going to grossly understate what I attempted to do: At times I was doing 4 cardio sessions at 30 minutes a piece per day--7 days per week. Mixed in this equation was "heavy" weighting training 3 to 4 times per week.

To make this short, and simple: It didn't work (again "grossly" over simplifying the process).

I was frustrated, mad, depressed, and wanted to rip my own head off. I was moody and just flat pissed about it (foundation of my heart). For 3 months I was simply flat stupid. I "wasn't" listening, "nor thinking out of the box", nor learning....what I should have learned.

And, to this very day, I will never forget the "learning" lesson it taught me. I went on a shopping "spree"---for more brains. And, like I state once in a while on the forum: The time I spent, paled in comparison to what I had learned, and what I got in return. Again, grossly over stating: When I began to tweak Carbohydrates lower (increasing associated macro nutrients and dropping the ungodly cardio), and increased and/or tweaked the "the energy levels" in my "heavy" weight training workout program, is when I began to see results I wanted. My stubbornness was a friend and a foe, and my heart for my goal carried me through it---guided by education.

For 3 months, I made some monumental diet and fitness mistakes--applicable to me. I thought........I was doing everything right. I wasn't......doing.......EVERYTHING....right. Only some major things right (like eating right foods), but the macro components of those foods.........killed my goal.

However, another demon developed. Does this every stop....? ;)

The side effects of low carbohydrate consumption. And, I pay rather dearly for it. Headaches, light headedness, etc. And, I will write what I did about it.

But.....it STILL takes some heart---and understanding what is happening "within you" during low carbohydrate consumption to assist you through. If you study what "happens" sometimes studying this very thing.....leads to answers in how to handle them--properly for you.

Of all the pictures I have shown on the forum, the one fondest to me, is the picture I first shown on forum. I have ALOT of blood, sweat, and many tears, behind that picture.

I simply had to pay a PRICE.


Now, I know what to do.....THANKS TO FALLING DOWN.......and getting UP.

Do not be afraid of trying and making mistakes.......just learn from them.....and have HEART.

You can have all the education in the world, and know how to apply it, but you have to have some degree of passion within the heart to see things through. I KNOW THE WALK. I have walked it.

And, I leave you with this thought.

This is your body talking:

I never stop talking day or night.

I never shut up; I am always flappen' the lips.

The language I speak is controlled by my forked tongue; I can sometimes lie and tell the truth.

I can be your greatest asset or your worst enemy.

Your attitude influences the nature of my tongue and the degree of my lip flappen'

You must keep tappen' the lip flappen to make YOU happen'


You walk with me but can you handle me?

Any questions?


Best regards,

Chillen
 
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About 30,000,000$ is what I'd pay.

That's what I'd be worth after I wished for a star athletes body.... :D

Honestly, if that was really offered to me I'd probably turn it down. I'd rather make the journey on my own.... although if it was under 5,000 I'd prob pay it to save me some time. :D
 
I can truly say that I wouldn't pay anything for the body of my dreams. I've very much enjoyed my journey so far as it's been able to teach me a lot about myself I didn't know before. It's built tons of confidence in my ability to achieve my goals. It's really an amazing feeling of success. I still may not be at 100% progress towards my ideal body, but I'm close. I look forward to the day where I reach that 100% and can say I did it all on my own.
 
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