what to eat after fast to not gain ANYTHING back??

[fknfatbag]

low calories just going too long for me, in 9 days i barely lost a single kilo (2.2 lbs). i dont have time for all of this, nor patience nor i can take looking at that body any longer. at this rate itll take like a bloody year. so what could be more effective and fast than fasting i thought? ppl report good results but the prob is u can gain all that stupid ass fat back and rly quick!!

1. so what to do? how to eat after??

in case of

5 day fast
10 day
20 day
30 day

2. also in case of water or juice fast?

3. and which is more is more effective and safe for not gaining back after?

my plan is to stick with the fast, then adjustment to food process and then just eat normally without binges and thats all.

4. i need to loose 40 lbs asap, how many days should this take from me? the fast and diet afterwards?

5. and very important do you also loose alot of face fat/volume/plumness??
6. what about collagen, elasticity, subcutaneous fat?
some say this actually supposedly helps with scars n wrinkles n such so it should be opposite but what do u think?? experiences??

pls answer all questions if u know. thnx

 

[AthalaRanger]

Girl I've already told you, you want to lose fat, not weight!!

Your weight works the following way;

There is a certain number of calories your body consumes per day. This is your 'metabolism' or however you want to call it. A good place to start to estimate this number is multiplying your weight in lbs for 13 - 14.

Let's take a 150 pound person for example.

This person may maintain his weight on either 1950 (150 x 13) calories or 2100 (150 x 14) calories. The number may be higher or lower, depending on how active the person is, but that goes beyond what I'm trying to explain and 13 and 14 are a good place to start.

Now if this person eats at that number (let's assume it was 1950), he will maintain his weight. If he eats more than that, he is going to gain weight.

If he wants to lose weight, he needs to eat below his maintenance number. He doesn't need to starve himself or eat nothing!!

and which is more is more effective and safe for not gaining back after?

What I'm trying to tell you is; there is no 'mechanism' to prevent weight gain after a fast or a diet. It boils down to energy balance. There is a certain number of calories you can eat without gaining weight, and if you stay at or below that number, you will be fine. If you eat more than that, you WILL gain weight. It does not matter how you lost the weight in the first place.

back to your original question; fasting is no good for you because you lose muscle mass and you are starving your body of essential nutrients. Your gonna have low blood sugar, low sodium, and just gonna feel like crap and very weak while your fasting. You will also feel deprived and are much more likely to binge when you come out of it.

A lot of the weight you lose is water, and you also lose muscle mass doing that. If the weight you lose is not fat, it does not count towards what you're trying to accomplish here in the first place. The scale may say you lost 10 pounds, but you may still look exactly the same.

at this rate itll take like a bloody year.

You need to start doing this the right way, and the sooner you do it, the faster you are going to be done with it. It IS going to take some time, but also could be faster than you imagine. If you manage to lose 10 lbs of pure fat, you are going to look dramatically different than you do now.

What you think is 40 lbs may be 20 - 25 lbs of fat that you need to drop. and that could be done in 20 - 12 weeks [If you manage a good rate of fat loss].

The key lies on being consistent and making sure the weight you are losing is only fat. If you do and sustain that for at least 12 weeks you will look very different.

 

[fknfatbag]

hey dude i know what ur talking about buuut i need this happening faster P;

i think u underestimate fasting, there is diff science and rules tht i dont remember on the spot (thing has to do with ketosis) but it actually does burn fat, not just water or muscle. esp dry fasting. i dont mind loosing some muscle? ..tbh i dont think i even have much to loose here P; and ill just work on this later...

i did somekinda test thing abt my metabolism, it says my body burns 1400 cal a day (without exercise), i eat +/- 1200 a day. and yea im loosing, just superslow u know? if during fasting i consume 0 cal, obv it should start burning that fat. dry fast is esp effective.

i wouldnt be doing this just for weight. fast supposedly fixes scars and hyperpigmentation. nothing else does.

u shouldnt start starving before u run out of fat that to burn. there is issue abt low potassium, thts very dangerous but i think u just need to do more of a shorter fasts than very long one.
as long as there is fat i dont think u can run out of nutrients? thats why body stores it in case of starvation right?

besides personally i plan to start with dry fast, then go into water fast then juice fast so there shouldnt be any problem

except to not gain weight back afterwards! ><

idk what do u mean with doing it right way, r u trying to say i gotta eat 2000 cal and workout 5-7x a week? i dont think i can eat that much nd i kinda wanna save real exercising as a boost for last and toughest pounds..

 

[allcdnboy1]

sorry fatbag, but you are out to lunch, pun intended. No one is going to promote such an unhealthy way of losing weight. There are so many things wrong with fasting for the sole purpose of losing weight, mainly to deal with your overall health and long term damage you are doing to your body, but let me just focus on 1.

If you want to lose weight long term, you need muscle. Muscle is your furnace for burning calories. The less muscle you have, the less you are going to be able to burn.

 

[fknfatbag]

hey i dont have any thyme to waist so i need this fast p:
rly dont need ur promotions just asking abt ppl exp nd what to do after to not gain weight back bcs that seems like the only biggest issue?
and low potassium thing but thts it..

1. i dont care if its unhealthy iyo, i have fuking healthy ass body. i wish it was skinny and pretty instead, not all tis useless health? ill deal just fine... ffs i have extra 40 lbs on me. i have only fat to loose..wht r those long term damages anyway?

2. fasting is supposed to be cleansing and regenerating actually. have u even looked into this? i think u just gotta prepare, research nd do it right n so..ppl get rid of tumors with this method

3. basically first 3 days body eats muscles but then it goes in ketosis and then its all detox and fat burn i believe..ill care abt muscles later..even without muscles theres noway u wont loose fat with eating zero? tht would just..just make me rly mad >< and be against physics even, no?

 

[allcdnboy1]

1) going into a huge calorie deficit (ie. fasting), will cause your body to go into storage mode. Which means any calories you eat will immediately be stored as fat because your body thinks it won't get food anytime soon. So, you will be letting all your muscle go to waste (which is where you get a nice curves) and the only thing you will be left with is fat (which looks ugly). So, even if you get down to having an anorexic body, you still won't be happy with your body because you won't be toned and you will still look flabby

2) yes, fasting for cleansing purposes can be beneficial if done correctly. This means slowly fasting, not fasting for 30 days the very first time. It's a big shock to your body to even do this for a day. How many people have tried fasting to get rid of tumors? Hmm, guess their dead, so we won't really know.

You have to understand the way the internet (your research) works. The 1% of successful cases is given the same value as the 99% that failed. So, just because someone was successful doing something doesn't mean that it's going to work for you. No matter what search you do, you are going to get a full page of successful results, even though, statistically, the probability for success may only be 0.0001%, but on the internet, it may look like a 50/50 chance because just as many results for the opposite come up.

3) you can't lose all your muscles, otherwise you won't be able to move. Your body won't let that happen.

I hope you also don't have a job or kids. Without food, you won't have any energy or ability to function cognitively. But, good luck

 

[fknfatbag]

wait u mean this will happen after fast? even calories from juice? how the hell does body make fat from like fuking fruit, theres 0 fat/grease in it. i dont rly get this. are u sure??

so i lost weight and gradually start eating. im healthy and slim now, at my ideal weight, eating good foods now. why the fuk would it want to gain fat now?? and flabby? skin needs to tighten up and excess skin gotta go with fat. why would i become flabby?? thats like old ppl troubles, i dont give a damn abt this...

well ive read a book on fasting once plus its ancient menthod at all, doubt ppl would keep doing it so much all those yrs if 99% of cases were fail all the time..

ugh no i dont have no kids but i do wanna get job rly soon. yes some days will be tough but some days your energy are on highest actually..

 

[AthalaRanger]

i think u underestimate fasting, there is diff science and rules tht i dont remember on the spot (thing has to do with ketosis) but it actually does burn fat, not just water or muscle. esp dry fasting. i dont mind loosing some muscle? ..tbh i dont think i even have much to loose here P; and ill just work on this later...

No no no, I'm not underestimating fasting. I've done it myself and that's why I'm telling you. First of all you are going to have no energy and want to sleep all the time. Your going to have symptoms of hypoglycemia (this means low blood sugar) and low sodium (you'll get dizzy when standing up quickly and you could even faint).

Second, it is really hard to keep up with it. Your gonna be miserable while all your family eats food around you and you can't even eat anything. And when you are done with it your going to feel very hungry. Your body fights back by releasing hormones that make you hungry and by lowering your energy expenditure (so in the end you can eat less total calories and get fat).

There's a thing called 'NEAT', which is basically the amount of calories you burn per day on daily activities (not exercise). But when you fast you now get very lethargic and don't want to move, so you don't do those activities anymore, and are essentially reducing the amount of food you can eat, AND your weight loss rate.

It's much better if you eat more and exercise more (and thus you create a deficit), than if you cut calories lower. Not only do you feel better this way and it's better for your health, but this results in better body composition than just doing low calories.

 

[fknfatbag]

hm, how many days were u fasting? and what was ur diet before fast? what if u had rly bad detox bcs of previous habbits?

as for hypoglicemia, its weird, on some other site they advice u to like ditch even fruit out of ur diet, its called low glycemic impact anti inflammatory diet or something. wouldnt this cause hypoglicemia as well? but k thats offtopic i guess..

hunger should be gone after like 5th day..

well i did this NEAT thing, but how is it different from TDEE? :/ neat says ~1700 cal but tdee says ~1400 cal and mfp says ~1200 cal but mfp is just blah, it only allows to set 2 lbs per week as a goal nd even then it says ill loose only 0.2 lbs in a week but when i switch to male with same settings it is 0.6 lbs now. nd neat allows to same settings guy eat ~1900 well wow such difference only cos of gender, is it bcs of that water retention thing or females rly have worse metabolism?

idk i just dont believe in this anymore, many many ppl report they stop loosing weight even on exersise (everyday etc) nd like hour of exersise burns only like 200 cal? before i learned it i thought its gonna be like 1000 but 200? o.o + if u eat more how will u burn anything at all then? i dont wanna get bulky or become a bodybuilder..

the thing is fast is also my only hope to get from redmarks from acne (they just doesnt heal), i think i have some hyperpigmentation as well..-_-

k forget all that

what about just juice fasting?? they say its less effective but i dont see any dangers abt this one? u get vitamins etc

 

[AthalaRanger]

hm, how many days were u fasting? and what was ur diet before fast? what if u had rly bad detox bcs of previous habbits?

I only fasted occasionally. But when I did, the most I could manage was a 72 hour water fast and 48 dry fasting. Again, you feel lethargic, you can get low blood sugar and low sodium, both of which aren't good. Not fun experiences.

as for hypoglicemia, its weird, on some other site they advice u to like ditch even fruit out of ur diet, its called low glycemic impact anti inflammatory diet or something. wouldnt this cause hypoglicemia as well? but k thats offtopic i guess..

No no, hypoglycemia doesnt happen on a normal person unless you're not eating. Eating foods low in glycemic index (which is what you're talking about) is another thing. But hypoglycemia is not good. You feel dizzy, head hurts, etc.

i wouldnt be doing this just for weight. fast supposedly fixes scars and hyperpigmentation. nothing else does.

I don't know where you got this idea from, but this doesn't happen. Diet can influence some skin conditions, but you are much beter suited if you just maintain a healthy diet all-around (don't eat too much junk).

well i did this NEAT thing, but how is it different from TDEE? :/ neat says ~1700 cal but tdee says ~1400 cal and mfp says ~1200 cal but mfp is just blah, it only allows to set 2 lbs per week as a goal nd even then it says ill loose only 0.2 lbs in a week but when i switch to male with same settings it is 0.6 lbs now. nd neat allows to same settings guy eat ~1900 well wow such difference only cos of gender, is it bcs of that water retention thing or females rly have worse metabolism?

They're different things. But to not make it more complicated than it needs to be, your TDEE is the number you want to focus on.

Males generally use more calories because they have more muscle mass and because they're generally heavier.

dk i just dont believe in this anymore, many many ppl report they stop loosing weight even on exersise (everyday etc) nd like hour of exersise burns only like 200 cal? before i learned it i thought its gonna be like 1000 but 200? o.o + if u eat more how will u burn anything at all then? i dont wanna get bulky or become a bodybuilder..

That really depends on the exercise really. Depends on the intensity and your heart rate. And girls cannot 'get bulky'. The big bodybuilders you see have trained for years, lift heavy weights on a consistent basis, and also most of them are on DRUGS! None get to that level without drugs.

Exercise will not get you bulky like that.

There's not much point in juice fasting either. Yes you get some vitamins, but you don't get any sufficient amount of protein (and it IS important. The guys that promote this fast say that it isn't, but you need a certain amount or you end up looking like a stick figure).

You're also still at a massive deficit (unless you're doing fruit juice), so all the things that are caused by a massive deficit still apply here.

Really there's no point. IF you are only doing juice of vegetables, you're not getting any meaningful calories, is still pretty damn hard etc. IF you are doing fruit juice, there's no point either! You can easily stack on the calories by adding lots of fruit to that juice.

If you compare eating an apple vs a juice made out of three apples (3 times the calories, and much easier to eat), it's much better to eat the actual apple. You're much better eating the actual fruit instead of making juice with it in the first place.

 

[AthalaRanger]

I think you would be much better off just trying to eat a healthy diet and not going into fads.

What was your usual diet like before you started 'dieting'? What did you usually eat and how many times a day did you eat?

A good way to keep the calories down (without necessarily having to count them) is to base your diet around unrefined, single-ingredient items.

This is just general advice, but good ways to keep the calories down without fad-dieting;

1) Don't drink your calories! Not even fruit juice. Eat solid food. If you want fruit, eat the actual fruit, do not make juice with it.

2) Drink some water 15 or 30 min before meals.

3) If you're still hungry, wait for at least 20 min before having a second plate of food.

4) Base your diet around lean meats, vegetables, and fruit. This helps to keep the calories down and it makes it way harder to over eat.

5) Careful with added calories. Try not adding sugar to drinks or much oil (even better if you don't use any at all) when cooking.

6) No-calorie drinks (tea, herbal tea, coffee, etc) are a good way to help with satiety as long as you're not adding extra calories to them.

7) Don't eat while watching tv, reading, or doing other activities. When you want to eat, sit down and focus on your food.

Again, that is just general advice. They are not the 10 commandments, just guidelines. But if you do that, that can help you keep calories down without starving and that should be way easier on you than fasting or doing other stuff.

 

[fknfatbag]

I only fasted occasionally. But when I did, the most I could manage was a 72 hour water fast and 48 dry fasting. Again, you feel lethargic, you can get low blood sugar and low sodium, both of which aren't good. Not fun experiences.

did u do those in a row? what for did u do this fast? and what were the effects?

i just dunno english words p; with bulky i meant those girls who r like still fat but also has some noticable muscle, i dont like this look. ive seen many girls dancers like that..they probably eat alot nd exercise..actually ppl saying u can eat more now that ur exercising are rly misleading big time

my diet was just "whatever" for like year, i wouldnt drink any water nd could easily drink up 3 liters of lemonade (i just rly love lemonade forever ;_; ) a day then eat without rules nd often go out to eat snacks and fast food etc. but i was on meds that made me do that nd i was severely depressed.

now i eat completely opposite to that, like day against night. btw pretty much all what u said actually! except juice, noones gonna take tht from me nope! xc i just drink it once in awhile as a treat, besides its without added sugar, clean one nyway so..

thnx for all suggestions, i actually decided to not go on fast for several reasons also some what u said but i think its not completely bad method just not suited for everyone and everything. its just good for detox and certain diseases if done right..but if u can its probably better to not do it..

 

[fknfatbag]

yea i know fml so much >< thats why i dont get why fast wouldnt be just perfect for this?
my main concerns are just that i can get everything back afterwards (i still dont get why the fuk it would work like that?) with worse metabolism than before and that i will waste/ruin my face..i dont care abt anything else..

i think i eat pretty low carb most of the days already, 10-140g a day? is it low or no? (mfp is set to 150) but im not gonna ditch fruit..it doesnt cause weight gain to me..and eating grains rly rarely..