Usain Bolt

Unbelieveable but kind of a cocky ass.

I miss the days when people would just run fast and not talk shit and chest bump and crap like that.

Regardless he is a freakish talent.
 
I kind of like it. I don't know why but I'm drawn to his talent and I think his extra 'flare', while cocky, adds to the amazement.

I mean, to have time to slow down and celebrate in the 100m sprint 20 meters before the finish line is utterly astonishing at this level.

And the way he toyed around with the Americans in the 200 solidified his dominance.

I can't wait to see if he breaks a record in the 200m tonight. Some doubt it.

I'd love to know what his 'program' entails. Obviously he is a genetic freak regardless and would be successful with or without a good 'program' but I'm still interested.
 
Steve said:
I kind of like it. I don't know why but I'm drawn to his talent and I think his extra 'flare', while cocky, adds to the amazement

I mean, to have time to slow down and celebrate in the 100m sprint 20 meters before the finish line is utterly astonishing at this level.
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I understand that, I really do. But there is no reason for it really. Track just does not need that kind of crap IMO.
Also- what happens if he dies tomorrow? We will never know how low he could have gone in the 100 and how historic that record could have been. All for showboating.
Steve said:
And the way he toyed around with the Americans in the 200 solidified his dominance.
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Agreed 100%
Steve said:
I can't wait to see if he breaks a record in the 200m tonight. Some doubt it.
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I am one that doubts it, i really do. It will fall, just not at the olympics- again IMO.
Steve said:
I'd love to know what his 'program' entails. Obviously he is a genetic freak regardless and would be successful with or without a good 'program' but I'm still interested.
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I was wondering the same thing the other night. Like you said, clearly a genetic freak but man would it be interesting to see what he has done.

Mind you- one cant help but be skeptical about someone who comes out of nowhere. I mean- he was good before but now he is in such rarefied air seemingly overnight. I hate that this is a question that needs to be in ones head but- is he natural?
 
Bigguy said:
I understand that, I really do. But there is no reason for it really. Track just does not need that kind of crap IMO.
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I was always coached to run as hard as I could until you are passed the finish line.

I certainly see what you're saying.

But I've also never been a freak who could blow the doors off of Olympians with such ease. If I could, I might uncontrollably celebrate early too, lol.

It's a tough call.

There's a fine line between being awesome and being a dick. For instance, I was always a fan of T.O. before the eagles. He was cocky, but good as anything. I respect talent more than I do sportsmanship, especially when he's getting paid that sort of money to perform. But when he came to the Eagles and wreaked havoc, I was torn. Part of me thought, "What a dick, he basically fucked the entire team." The other part of me said, "Everyone around him should man up. They're being paid that sort of money, just suck it up and play around T.O., not letting personal drama effect performance."

With Olympians it's a bit different. I expect more sportsmanship. But for some reason it just isn't bothering me. Especially tying into my comments below...

Also- what happens if he dies tomorrow? We will never know how low he could have gone in the 100 and how historic that record could have been. All for showboating.
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I had this thought in the back of my mind too. Maybe he'll get injured. Maybe he'll get hit by a bus. And if that happens, in our lifetime, someone with his speed may never come again, which basically robs not only himself out of such a feat but everyone who appreciates the sport.

But I'm not so sure I would write it off as "All for showboating."

Without a doubt he's a hot dog. But there have been comments on various mediums regarding his intent. Some suggest he may want to keep extending his 'spotlight time.' Ya know, break a record in the Os and than break that again shortly after, so on...

Endorsements are a powerful thing. And this is his 'career.' And even if it's not a matter of extending the possibility to break the record multiple times in a short period of time.... this sort of 'publicity' that accompanies his showboating will likely lead to greater financial victory for him than had he been silent. Personality and attention sell, regardless of how right or wrong the behavior is that led to said attention. Especially when an athlete is as dominant as Bolt.

I'm sure it's a mixture of all the above plus some.

I am one that doubts it, i really do. It will fall, just not at the olympics- again IMO.
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I'm unsure.

He has it in him for sure. Charlie Francis on his forum (if you don't know Charlie you might know who he coached, Ben Johnson a while back) seems to think the record will fall tonight.

Edit: Holy shit. He crushed the record! Here is a vid:



I heard it was into a headwind too.

My jaw is hanging.

I was wondering the same thing the other night. Like you said, clearly a genetic freak but man would it be interesting to see what he has done.
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In truth, I'm not so sure what he has done makes all that great of a difference. A difference, sure. But again, his genetics are simply overpowering. He'd be good with or without a good coach and program, assuming the coach didn't fuck him up which tends to happen quite often here in the states.

I've seen some vids of his weight training that looked real shitty. But you can't tell a lot from vids you see on the net. To add, weight training isn't terribly important as if it would make or break Bolt or any sprinter of that caliber.

Mind you- one cant help but be skeptical about someone who comes out of nowhere. I mean- he was good before but now he is in such rarefied air seemingly overnight. I hate that this is a question that needs to be in ones head but- is he natural?
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No.

LOL.
 
I have notice that quite often elite athletes are successful in spite of their training programs as often as they are because of them. It is a tough pill to swallow for us average guys but it does seem to be the case sometimes.
 
edco76 said:
I have notice that quite often elite athletes are successful in spite of their training programs as often as they are because of them. It is a tough pill to swallow for us average guys but it does seem to be the case sometimes.
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I find this to be the case all of the time.

The best some coaches can do is not mess up the talent. I don't think there was anything exceptional in Bolts preparation outside of the fact that Bolt is exceptional.
 
Steve said:
19.3 is no joke. God damn man... it's rare that I'm impressed to this extent.
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dont get me wrong, I am also. That is incredible. I tought 19.5 or something was possible. That is what is incredible- these records usually fall by .01s of a sec not .1s.
 
Agreed.

At this stage in the game, even with all the support drugs provide, we're usually just tweaking out records by the slightest of margins.

Either the drugs are getting better, application of training knowledge by coaches are getting better, or the human is adapting at a stage much faster than before in terms of athletic ability.

I'm sure I could think of some more... but intriguing nonetheless.
 
Steve said:
I find this to be the case all of the time.

The best some coaches can do is not mess up the talent. I don't think there was anything exceptional in Bolts preparation outside of the fact that Bolt is exceptional.
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I think thats why I like team and combat sports. While natural talent is always nice, it is possible for a average athlete (relatively speaking of course) to work his way to the top.
 
He's phenomenal; I just hope he doesn't ruin it by testing positive for drugs! I say that about every competitor though. :)

He looks like he's not even trying his hardest, he's just on a leisurely jog. He's amazing.
 
txsqlchick said:
He's phenomenal; I just hope he doesn't ruin it by testing positive for drugs! I say that about every competitor though. :)

He looks like he's not even trying his hardest, he's just on a leisurely jog. He's amazing.
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If you talk to people who are closely associated with the Os, as in former athletes, coaches, etc... the consensus is the vast majority, if not all, are using PEDs.
 
Supposedly from an article I read, Usain's only supplement is vitamin c. I guess ya never know though until they're busted. He eat's really healthy too. 60% protien 30% carb 10% fat.
 
nc_bmac08 said:
Supposedly from an article I read, Usain's only supplement is vitamin c.
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Supposedly being the key word.

I guess ya never know though until they're busted.
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Pretty much.

Read this wiki page about Ben Johnson. At one time the best sprinter of all time back in the late 80s. I communicate with his coach time and again:

Particularly this part:

On September 24, Johnson beat Lewis in the 100m final at the Olympics, lowering his own world record to 9.79 seconds. Johnson would later remark that he would have been even faster had he not raised his hand in the air just before he finished the race. However, Johnson's urine samples were found to contain Stanozolol, and he was disqualified three days later. He later admitted having used steroids when he ran his 1987 world record, which caused the IAAF to rescind that record as well. But Johnson and hundreds of other athletes have long complained that they used doping in order to remain on an equal footing with the other top athletes on drugs they had to compete against.

His claim bears some weight in light of the revelations since 1988. Including Johnson, four of the top five finishers of the 100-meter race have all tested positive for banned drugs at some point in their careers: Carl Lewis[3], who was given the gold medal, Linford Christie who was moved up to the silver medal, and Dennis Mitchell. Of these, only Johnson was forced to give up his records and his medals, although he was the only one of the four who tested positive or admitted using drugs during a medal-winning performance. Later, Christie was caught using steroids and banned, although it has to be said that he was found to have metabolites of nandrolone in his urine which has been shown to be able to be produced by taking legal nutritional supplements that may erroneously contain metabolites of nandrolone....
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Ben Johnson (athlete - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

And this is when the drugs weren't far ahead of the testing curve. So it was easier to get caught. Drugs have since cascaded in terms of complexity and advancement and the testing parameters have certainly not kept similar pace.

So take that for what it's worth.

He eat's really healthy too. 60% protien 30% carb 10% fat.
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Not to split hairs b/c I'm sure he eats pretty good... but even outside the context of this discussion I'm interested to know how looking at the macro percentage breakdown of one's diet proves it to be 'really healthy'?
 
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