Under calories; Over carbs..now what?

So it seems that there may be an advantage to eating low carb (now is that just all carbs or refined, like sugar and white bread?) for a short while at best.
However my nutritionist and pers. trainer don't believe that at all.
They say that if your metabolism is high the insulin spikes aren't really there. But if it isn't high, I'm not sure... I still think they said doing low carb wouldn't make a difference.
I try to get some fruit and whole grains in there so I always eat carbs; not nearly what's 'recommended' by the fda b/c my calorie intake is so low (1300), which is getting on my nerves btw.
So it seems doing low carb would be beneficial, to some people. But if it ultimately isn't I don't want to deprive myself for nothing.
I'm still not seeing any results. I got a workout routine from my trainer but I just don't have much confidence. I'm so sick of clothes not fitting...
 
phix95 said:
I'd really appreciate some help rather than arguing amongst yourselves....
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Who's arguing?

allyphoe said:
Says the OP, coming back to the thread 2 weeks later...

What did you need help with, again?
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What I don't understand is why is this person paying for a PT and a nutritionalist but still coming here?

Phix, if you aren't getting results from them, you might want to cut them loose. Again, are you entering everything into Fitday? What is your BMR? If you seriously say you have a solid metabolism, and work out a good amount, than 1400 calories is TOO low. I took your stats from another thread and calculated your BMR to 1340... and if you have a desk job you would burn about 1600 cals a day. How much do you burn during exercise? You can use online calculators for that... still I've seen you ask advice in other threads and STILL don't take anyones advice, so why do I need to repeat most of what's been said before to you?

What kills me is that on 4/9 you lost 3 lbs... or reported to, then on 4/19 you post that you aren't seeing results... are you like kidding here? I feel like you are purposely having a goof on this forum or something.
 
By arguing I mean the debate going on about if a low carb diet makes one lose more weight than I high carb one. Look back at the posts.
I'm coming here b/c I'm so frustrated. I've done EVERYTHING people have said to do, or have already tried it. Stop being so BITCHY! I am in a vulnerable position here, asking for help. If I wanted to be abused, I'd go back to my ex., thank-you very f***ing much! :banghead:

If you just want to put me down, do me a favor and don't bother posting. I have never been "helped" by more hurtful people on any other forum (certain people excluded).

The reason I'm posting here, in addition to the PT (and I posted before I got a PT btw!) is that I am not seeing results. I still cannot fit into my numerous jeans, I eat 1300 cal/day now or LESS b/c 1400, 1500, etc DIDN'T WORK. The only potentially BAD thing I do is I eat ice cream almost every night, as well as dark choc. for the antioxidents. BUT, if a cal is a cal, that should make no damn difference in terms of weight gain/loss, CORRECT?!!!!!!!...even though we are inundated with "stay away from the 'bad' carbs (refined); they will make you store fat". Hard to believe so much of the media is wrong... But then again, some people think the president actually gives a s*** about the people he serves...(sorry, digressing)

I got a heart monitor and when I exercise, I am IN or OVER my target zone.
My BMI is 22.5 according to a breathing test I took. Same test said my metab. is over normal and I should eat b/t 1200-1400 cal a day to lose weight; and eat around 1800-2100 to maintain. Well it's been a month on 1300 cals. I gained that 3 lbs back too. Guess it was a fluke (big surprise).

So, a normal, sane person can see why I'm VERY DEPRESSED NOW. The main goal I'm striving for is to lose the fat around my middle (hence the jeans not fitting), not necessarily weight. But if one means the other, then so be it.
 
phix95 said:
= Deficit of 96 calories!!
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Whoa... you are assuming WAY too much accuracy in all your numbers.

You really have to create a much bigger theoretical/calculated deficit to make sure you actually have any deficit at all in reality. Plus, as a poster above said, at 96 cals/day it would take 35 days to drop a pound.
 
I'll break down your little self-pitying hissy rant paragraph by paragraph since you LOVE attention.

phix95 said:
By arguing I mean the debate going on about if a low carb diet makes one lose more weight than I high carb one. Look back at the posts.
I'm coming here b/c I'm so frustrated. I've done EVERYTHING people have said to do, or have already tried it. Stop being so BITCHY! I am in a vulnerable position here, asking for help. If I wanted to be abused, I'd go back to my ex., thank-you very f***ing much! :banghead:
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That isn't an argument sweetie, this is a forum and you brought up the topic about different macronutrients. If you want things to stay on topic, do it in a more polite manner than accuse me of arguing. You BROUGHT up questions about CARBS and Calories... so if the topic went that way, it's your fault. Don't be an ass about it. If you've done EVERYTHING you've done about it and LOST 3 lbs, how is this a failure? Because you have a VERY healthy BMI... you can't fit in your jeans?! Maybe, just maybe... that's going to be your build as you get older...

phix95 said:
If you just want to put me down, do me a favor and don't bother posting. I have never been "helped" by more hurtful people on any other forum (certain people excluded).
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You have been helped, I have responded KINDLY several times to your repetitive posts. If you feel like you are being HURT... why do you keep coming back? I only asked you if you were fucking with us on this forum because you keep getting the same replies and/or post that you're losing weight and you want something from us we can't give you.

phix95 said:
The reason I'm posting here, in addition to the PT (and I posted before I got a PT btw!) is that I am not seeing results. I still cannot fit into my numerous jeans, I eat 1300 cal/day now or LESS b/c 1400, 1500, etc DIDN'T WORK. The only potentially BAD thing I do is I eat ice cream almost every night, as well as dark choc. for the antioxidents. BUT, if a cal is a cal, that should make no damn difference in terms of weight gain/loss,
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So you still have a PT and still not seeing results? Fire them... but your story makes ZERO sense since you posted back at the end of April about getting a Trainer and you came back in May saying you don't have results. I think I am quite justified in saying what I said.

phix95 said:
CORRECT?!!!!!!!...even though we are inundated with "stay away from the 'bad' carbs (refined); they will make you store fat". Hard to believe so much of the media is wrong... But then again, some people think the president actually gives a s*** about the people he serves...(sorry, digressing)
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Yeah, whatever, it's clear you have some sort of disconnect with society and your jeans. Don't believe everything you read/hear in the media... it's obvious you are easily lead down wrong paths of information. That comment had nothing to do with our president btw, which I could care less about your political views.

phix95 said:
I got a heart monitor and when I exercise, I am IN or OVER my target zone.
My BMI is 22.5 according to a breathing test I took. Same test said my metab. is over normal and I should eat b/t 1200-1400 cal a day to lose weight; and eat around 1800-2100 to maintain. Well it's been a month on 1300 cals. I gained that 3 lbs back too. Guess it was a fluke (big surprise).
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If you say you are eating 1300 calories and you eat 1800-2100 to maintain (which is a HUGE gap and it's clear you don't really understand the numbers behind any of it), than you are probably in too large of a deficit which has been said about 3 times in various threads to you. You body doesn't want to give up the weight... how about this, give up the chocolate and ice cream, because I guarantee you aren't recording your food accurately. I'd be willing to put a decent amount of money that you aren't weighing food with a scale.

phix95 said:
So, a normal, sane person can see why I'm VERY DEPRESSED NOW. The main goal I'm striving for is to lose the fat around my middle (hence the jeans not fitting), not necessarily weight. But if one means the other, then so be it.
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A normal sane person wouldn't listen to this crap :) You might want to change your cardio routine for something that is optimal for fat burning, like HIIT. I won't even bother to give you information on that (which you can find in SEVERAL locations around this forum, so help yourself for a change).
 
Should have added this earlier... BMI tests aren't done with breathing and tubes... it's your weight, height, sex, and age that determine that number (which is a flawed number at best, you shouldn't even use it as a indicator). What you should use is the range of Body Fat % you have in your body... which needs to be done by your trainer (if they know how to even use the calipers, or have some digital ineffective methods).
 
k i'm confused now

well i just read all this thread and all your big words are confusing to me.... this thread to me went off topic, and i have the original question, and would like to hear a simple and understandable answer..... i'm trying to stay in that 40/30/30 (protein/fat/carbs) range isn't that normal??? well it's hard to get the 1200-1300 or more cals a day without being at at least 80 carbs, i don't get it and i need help understanding how to manage 1300 cals a day and keep the rest low, even veggies and fruit seem to have a lot of carbs but no protein.... please help in an easy understandable way
 
WHY do you think carbs are bad?

If you read this thread, you'd realize carbohydrates are one of the most important sources of energy we have.

If you are following 40/30/30, that is 130 grams of protein, 43 grams of fat, and 97.5 grams of carbs. Granted, I don't know if that is such a great formula, sounds like Zone to me. Low carb usually results in failed diets... I am not a fan of fads.
 
maisie_girl said:
i'm trying to stay in that 40/30/30 (protein/fat/carbs) range isn't that normal???
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Neither normal nor abnormal, IMHO. I think you're confused about what the goal is, though. It's not 40g protein, 30g fat, 30g carbs. It's 40% of calories from protein, 30% of calories from fat, 30% of calories from carbs. Over in the Nutrition stuff is a sticky that suggests 30% of calories from each of protein, fat, and carbs, with the remaining 10% used however you like. So today might look like 40/30/30, and tomorrow might look like 32/37/31, for instance. That was essentially what I did, and it worked for me, but it took a lot more work than just counting calories. Counting calories is much easier.

maisie_girl said:
it's hard to get the 1200-1300 or more cals a day without being at at least 80 carbs
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80%, or 80grams? 80g gives you lots of room. 80%, and you might want to swap out some grains for protein + fat.

maisie_girl said:
please help in an easy understandable way
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Assuming 1,300 is the right number of calories for you, which I have no particular opinion on, 40/30/30 comes out to be:

130g protein
43g fat
98g carb

If you use something like Fitday, it'll do the percentages for you, and you only have to identify foods that give you what you're missing. Carbs + fat = easy. Fat + protein = easy. Carbs + protein without fat is harder.
 
ok

ok thanks for the words, i'm using a turbo jam diet right now because i'm getting into the excersices, and the diet is already alot of what i like to eat, chicken tuna, turkey roast beef, eggs, cottage cheese, fruits veggies, low fat stuff ect, and i guess since i'm new at this and everyone has a different answer i'll just haev to try this way.... thanks
 
last post was for darth pooh
this to allyphoe, thanks for the info i honestly didn't know it was percentages, but the diet i'm using is close to waht you suggested in g's for each catagory, and fitday is what i have started using, it is easier then doing it myself, but i don't think everything in there is acurate however i've added lot's of my own custom foods, so here's goes my first week away from the junk and into the turbo jam....
thanks again
 
also allyphoe you've seemed to have lost lot's of weight congrats, what was your main plan??? how long has it taken you???
 
what do you mean by this???:
(i don't know how to refer to soemthign someone said)
Carbs + fat = easy. Fat + protein = easy. Carbs + protein without fat is harder.

i'm confused again, just when i think i've got seomthign soemone tells me different????
 
maisie_girl said:
what do you mean by this???:

Carbs + fat = easy. Fat + protein = easy. Carbs + protein without fat is harder.
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If you're aiming for a 40/30/30 ratio, and you don't necessarily get that ratio every time you eat, one day, you're going to find yourself with 300 calories left for the day - and you'll have already reached your "budget" for a given macronutrient.

For example, maybe you've had 44g of fat (one gram too high, alas) and 85g of carbs (13g short) - but only 90g of protein. So you need to figure out how to get 40g of protein, 13g of carbs, and no fat. That's a tough one to do. If you need more protein and fat, but no more carbs, you have some meat. If you need more carbs and fat, but no more protein, you have a starchy veggie (like potato or corn) with butter. If you need lots of carbs and a little protein, legumes will work. But it's hard to get a large quantity of fat-free protein unless you use protein powders or other supplements.

Now, if you can get the ratio you're aiming for in every meal, you'll never have that problem. I had that problem all the time.

maisie_girl said:
what was your main plan??? how long has it taken you???
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It took me about 11 months. I started out just eating less, and trying to make better choices. Didn't count calories, didn't give up anything I really loved, weighed myself daily (I always used to be a daily weigher, so I knew that random scale fluctuation doesn't bother me). Didn't exercise because I was having weight-related nerve problems that made it painful to walk even short distances. Didn't lose anything for the first handful of weeks, then started to lose steadily at about 6-8 pounds a month. About 4 months in, my weight loss slowed down, so I added exercise, started counting calories, and tried to figure out macronutrient targets that worked for me. Kept losing steadily at about 6-8 pounds a month. Got really close to goal, bumped my calories up closer to maintenance level, and struggled for a month or so until I got my weight at the point where it fluctuates in a range I'm happy with.

I still count calories and weigh every day, but mostly because I have a strong tendency to nibble out of boredom and/or stress, and when I count calories, I keep my nibbling within a reasonable range. On an average day, I eat about half of my calories between 5pm and bedtime, because that's what works best for me.
 
thanks for the input, i guess it all boils down to what works for me and I alone have to figure it out with little tips from people, but in the end it's me who choses what to eat and me who decideds if it works for me..... i really want to be 125 again if only i saw myself gaining weight when it started happening......lol
 
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