And can you please show me where you feel I "tore down" posts opposed to gave advice? That would help me see where the misunderstanding lies.
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And can you please show me where you feel I "tore down" posts opposed to gave advice? That would help me see where the misunderstanding lies.
Jenniferag
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Steve- I get what Primevci said when he said you tend to tear down peoples posts. That's exactly the feeling I got as well when you "disected" all of my posts. You really made me feel like an idiot when all I was saying is stuff like works for me.
Like you said in your post though that when we don't know you it can come off as harsh..... that's why in my other post to you I asked more about you and what you do agree with when it comes to exercise and weight loss.
Your last post... when you said Would this have been more to your liking?
Was actually more informative to me and made more sense than any of your other posts! While at the same time I didn't get the feeling that you were calling me an idiot.
Hope that makes sense..... I really don't want this to carry on and on...my focus of coming here was really to help Bexxx if I could and not argue.
I'm here to learn and hopfully help others learn with sharing what has worked for me and inspire and get inspired so I'm going to focu on that
Like you said in your post though that when we don't know you it can come off as harsh..... that's why in my other post to you I asked more about you and what you do agree with when it comes to exercise and weight loss.
Your last post... when you said Would this have been more to your liking?
Was actually more informative to me and made more sense than any of your other posts! While at the same time I didn't get the feeling that you were calling me an idiot.
Hope that makes sense..... I really don't want this to carry on and on...my focus of coming here was really to help Bexxx if I could and not argue.
I'm here to learn and hopfully help others learn with sharing what has worked for me and inspire and get inspired so I'm going to focu on that
Steve- I get what Primevci said when he said you tend to tear down peoples posts. That's exactly the feeling I got as well when you "disected" all of my posts. You really made me feel like an idiot when all I was saying is stuff like works for me.
Like you said in your post though that when we don't know you it can come off as harsh..... that's why in my other post to you I asked more about you and what you do agree with when it comes to exercise and weight loss.
Your last post... when you said Would this have been more to your liking?
Was actually more informative to me and made more sense than any of your other posts! While at the same time I didn't get the feeling that you were calling me an idiot.
Hope that makes sense..... I really don't want this to carry on and on...my focus of coming here was really to help Bexxx if I could and not argue.
I'm here to learn and hopfully help others learn with sharing what has worked for me and inspire and get inspired so I'm going to focu on that
It's a fine line between correcting someone and making them feel like the just got torn up.. One of the important aspects is that it's a) nothing personal and b) in the long run, I'm sure you would rather have the proper info to expand your own knowledge..
If there is one take away from all this, it's that for resistance training, you need to always try to do more and push yourself. As steve said, it's the only way it works, the goal of resistance training is to push the muscle past what it's able to do.... If there has been one constant I've seen in my own personal training career, its that by and large, most people do way too little weight, far less than they are capable of. I don't know if its fear or what. But watching moms carry 50lbs of groceries around and playing with their 40lbs baby all day, then coming to the gym and toning with their 10lbs dumbells is.....amusing...
Rule of thumb, if by the 5th-15th rep, if you have any gas in the tank at all to do another rep, it's not heavy enough.
And while we're psychoanalyzing my posting style on the forum, let me offer up one mental exercise.
I assume most of you have careers.
Pretend you're in a career that's saturated with crooks and hucksters. You invest a large chunk of your time trying to help people navigate through the nonsense. You're also on a message board not dissimilar to this one - but centered on your given career.
On it, you have people who aren't formally educated offering advice. There's nothing wrong with them doing so as they've their own experiences which count. But assuming you're educated and well-researched on your given career, would you not speak up when the advice being given was faulty?
For instance, if you're a plumber and you've someone posting that gremlins living inside the copper pipes are what transport the water from point A to point B rather than pressure and gravity, I'd imagine, assuming you were a schooled, licensed plumber who isn't selling "gremlin pipes" (which if plumbing is anything like the fitness industry, you'd have people selling), you'd speak up.
Now suppose you've been seeing this sort of misinformation for years. And you've posted multiple educational explanations that are stickies on the forum in hopes of dispelling and stopping the perpetuation of such myths. After a while, do you think it'd get a bit stale repeating the same thing over and over?
I get that this isn't anyone's fault. I shouldn't expect folks to come onto this community and actually read the stickies. Nobody does on any forum. And if I'm sick of saying the same things over and over, I should simply refrain from speaking up.
I get that...
But I'm also passionate about making sure sound information is being dished. I'm simply highlighting at least partly why I tend to trim out the coddling and shoot straight for the facts.
Part of me thinks, "Hey, if they're actually interested in learning, they'll appreciate it. It shouldn't have anything to do with me as a person or the method of delivery."
The other part of me thinks, "You catch more flies with honey." I'm more interested in educating than proving rightness or wrongness. I'm also short-fused after all these years. Bad combo, I know.
I probably should have retired from forum life a long time ago...
It's an addiction I tell ya!
Here's the kicker though...
Remember, none of this has anything to do with things working or not working. Again, correlation isn't necessarily causation. It has everything to do with integrity of information. If you're not educated in a particular subject matter and you've not looked at controlled testing, it's really impossible to say what is and isn't working and why different things are working. Our environments are simply too dynamic... especially in the context of fat loss.
People lose some weight and then claim what "works" for them.
However, they upped their protein, cut out junk food, triggered a calorie deficit, started lifting weights, added interval training, did some steady state cardio, ate low carb, did abs every night, took a supplement, etc.
Who are they to say how much each variable contributed to the success? Without peer reviewed, academic research proving the efficacy of each variable alone... they can't.
Confounding variables always screw up perceptions.
I assume most of you have careers.
Pretend you're in a career that's saturated with crooks and hucksters. You invest a large chunk of your time trying to help people navigate through the nonsense. You're also on a message board not dissimilar to this one - but centered on your given career.
On it, you have people who aren't formally educated offering advice. There's nothing wrong with them doing so as they've their own experiences which count. But assuming you're educated and well-researched on your given career, would you not speak up when the advice being given was faulty?
For instance, if you're a plumber and you've someone posting that gremlins living inside the copper pipes are what transport the water from point A to point B rather than pressure and gravity, I'd imagine, assuming you were a schooled, licensed plumber who isn't selling "gremlin pipes" (which if plumbing is anything like the fitness industry, you'd have people selling), you'd speak up.
Now suppose you've been seeing this sort of misinformation for years. And you've posted multiple educational explanations that are stickies on the forum in hopes of dispelling and stopping the perpetuation of such myths. After a while, do you think it'd get a bit stale repeating the same thing over and over?
I get that this isn't anyone's fault. I shouldn't expect folks to come onto this community and actually read the stickies. Nobody does on any forum. And if I'm sick of saying the same things over and over, I should simply refrain from speaking up.
I get that...
But I'm also passionate about making sure sound information is being dished. I'm simply highlighting at least partly why I tend to trim out the coddling and shoot straight for the facts.
Part of me thinks, "Hey, if they're actually interested in learning, they'll appreciate it. It shouldn't have anything to do with me as a person or the method of delivery."
The other part of me thinks, "You catch more flies with honey." I'm more interested in educating than proving rightness or wrongness. I'm also short-fused after all these years. Bad combo, I know.
I probably should have retired from forum life a long time ago...
It's an addiction I tell ya!
Here's the kicker though...
Remember, none of this has anything to do with things working or not working. Again, correlation isn't necessarily causation. It has everything to do with integrity of information. If you're not educated in a particular subject matter and you've not looked at controlled testing, it's really impossible to say what is and isn't working and why different things are working. Our environments are simply too dynamic... especially in the context of fat loss.
People lose some weight and then claim what "works" for them.
However, they upped their protein, cut out junk food, triggered a calorie deficit, started lifting weights, added interval training, did some steady state cardio, ate low carb, did abs every night, took a supplement, etc.
Who are they to say how much each variable contributed to the success? Without peer reviewed, academic research proving the efficacy of each variable alone... they can't.
Confounding variables always screw up perceptions.
Jenniferag
New member
Alright....... that's it!!! Let's just put on the boxing gloves and duke it out!!
Someone else can take Steve though cause he is really big! LOL
I've got no problem and no hate for anyone here on the board....I'm just here to learn
I do and always appreciate the time people put in to giving advice to others, if I didn't I wouldn't be here.
Someone else can take Steve though cause he is really big! LOL
I've got no problem and no hate for anyone here on the board....I'm just here to learn
I do and always appreciate the time people put in to giving advice to others, if I didn't I wouldn't be here.
Jenniferag
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I want an optical illusion to make my butt smaller then!! ha ha
That is one thing I hate though is especially after working out my arms look amazing, my biceps, triceps and shoulders are hot and then a few hours later it's back to nada....
I wish I could keep that look all the time...... I need to lose more fat first....
That is one thing I hate though is especially after working out my arms look amazing, my biceps, triceps and shoulders are hot and then a few hours later it's back to nada....
I wish I could keep that look all the time...... I need to lose more fat first....
You damn women. If it's not, "I want a bigger butt," it's "I want a smaller butt." In my opinion, big butts are hot.
That said, butts, hips and thighs are a problem area for women - generally speaking their genetic proclivities dictate easy fat storage and difficult fat mobilization from these areas. Blame your baby making potential and evolution on this fact.
Keep at it though. Eventually even your problem areas won't be able to hide from the need to make up for your energy deficit.
scottsblue
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i bought a kettle bell work out dvd about 6 months ago and only opened it monday, it actually sais kettle bell work out on the box but the exercises are done with a dumbbell. well i did it for 30mins with a 10minute break and i could hardly move the next day, i`d deffinatly recomend it i was panting and so strained by the end of it i just had to stop dureing a routine.
working out at home is deffinatly somthing i`m looking into.
working out at home is deffinatly somthing i`m looking into.
Interesting that they're not actually using kettlebells when it's a kettlebell program. Kettlebells definitely offer some distinct advantages over other tools. But that doesn't make them any better either - just another tool for the toolbox.
I generally use them for conditioning for the most part - a form of circuit training if you will.
Going back to the need for progressive overload though, I find it easier (and more affordable) to use barbells and dumbbells for my strength work. I know they do make adjustable kettlebells now but they're pricey. And I don't know many people who can afford to purchase an entire set of kettlebells so they can progress the weight used as they get stronger over time.
Again though, they're a great tool for conditioning.
I generally use them for conditioning for the most part - a form of circuit training if you will.
Going back to the need for progressive overload though, I find it easier (and more affordable) to use barbells and dumbbells for my strength work. I know they do make adjustable kettlebells now but they're pricey. And I don't know many people who can afford to purchase an entire set of kettlebells so they can progress the weight used as they get stronger over time.
Again though, they're a great tool for conditioning.
Primevci
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Um just for the record im not a plumber oh gawd no! Im a UA Steamfitter .. Steve i wish i knew a 10th of what you did so i hope when i ask a question in the future you reply because i do value all input.. and Jenn hit on the head about what i was trying to get at. what would you suggest for free weights at the gym when you dont have a work out partner there steve?
.. Steve i wish i knew a 10th of what you did so i hope when i ask a question in the future you reply because i do value all input.. and Jenn hit on the head about what i was trying to get at. what would you suggest for free weights at the gym when you dont have a work out partner there steve?
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scottsblue
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yeh i looked at the price of kettle bells and it put me off, but i still bought the dvd with the posablity of buying one. i thought my kettle bell dvd was amazeing doing different exercises when parts of my body were so tired.
i have xbox 360 kinnect coming next week so i`m hopeing to carry on my fitness at home with that.
Um just for the record im not a plumber oh gawd no! Im a UA Steamfitter
Hahaha, just a guess. I was a bit off!
This statement needs as asterisk.
*Steve knows quite a bit about fitness. Don't consult with him for anything else! Well mountaineering... he knows quite a bit about that. And fishing. But besides those three things... that guy's pretty stupid.
Still use free weights if you're comfortable with form. Any exerciser who's starting to lift weights should start super conservatively. And when they do start adding external load to the various movements, they shouldn't be failing.
By failing, I mean true muscular failure where you fail midway through a rep and either need assistance or let it come down onto you.
Failure is primarily a neurological phenomenon and doesn't mean much at all in terms of muscle growth. So I don't see much a reason to hit failure in the context of optimizing body composition.
I actually like Michael Tuchscherer's RPE scale and use it with all of my distance-based clients to control intensity. It looks like this:
10: Maximal, no reps left in the tank at end of set
9: Last rep is tough but still one rep left in the tank
8: Weight is too heavy to maintain fast bar speed but isn’t a struggle; 2–4 reps left
7: Weight moves quickly when maximal force is applied to the weight; “speed weight”
6: Light speed work; moves quickly with moderate force
5: Most warm-up weights
4: Recovery; usually 20 plus rep sets; not hard but intended to flush the muscle
An RPE below four isn’t important.
For most strength work, I like people to stick between 7-9. And that's only when they're 100% comfortable with the movement pattern.
I'd also suggest doing as much work as possible inside of a squat rack so that you can adjust the safety pins accordingly. And don't be afraid to ask for a spot.
A little tidbit for you in case you didn't know... muscle soreness from a workout doesn't mean much in terms of the actual efficacy of said workout. Just don't want you judging the worthiness of future workouts you try based on how sore they make you feel.
Nice. I know a few people who rely on the wii for all of their conditioning work.