This is the time

Hey felici!!

I have to agree with everyone else- you seem to be really beating yourself up but honestly- it's not a big deal!! You'll have burned it off without even realising in no time, I have no doubt! People mess up SO much worse that you (I have at least, MUCH worse!!!!) It just feels worse than it is to you right now coz you normally do PERFECTLY well!!!

Well, you can't plan EVERYTHING, and you can't be perfect ALL the time, so give yourself a break :)

Lots of forum love (and thanks for all the support you have so consistently been giving me!)

Kez
 
Thanks everyone. I am not beating myself up. I don’t expect this will make too much difference to the scales over a week either. My concern has always been about controlling my eating and making sure that what I am doing is lasting. I went to bed happy last night because I was already feeling that though this had had happened it had passed and wasn’t going to stop me. I am glad, more than ever, to see all your posts this morning and I'm strengthened by them and I'm looking for maximum strength right now. When I started this at the end of November, I felt nervous and very vulnerable. Week after week I felt less vulnerable! That's a good thing! :) It still has to be controlled. The reality of many past failures means I can't afford to ignore warning signs like this. I had a bunch of small warnings leading up to this. I think it's valuable for me to be aware of them. Just like planning for special events, and stressful periods. Now I can try to be very aware of what the warnings were and plan for what to do when I notice them again. I know other people are successful with their weight loss yet have different ways of achieving their weight loss to me. So I am not saying everyone else needs to see their chocolate eating the way I do mine!! I truly can't afford to be casual about it.

I have not forgotten the other 30 odd techniques to lose weight I have commenced and not persisted with. For the most recent (ie - last 10 years worth), I remember how pleased I was with them and what was right with them, how I got more confident that I would succeed, and with hindsight, I can see when I started to fail them. This is the kind of event that can signal the end. Or it can be a great big flashing warning light to mark a rocky place that needs to be avoided. I am not experienced in going on past this stage but I have read enough on these boards to see that it can be done and I don’t see why I can’t.

I do think this is significant so I want to get whatever good value I can get out of it. I can see how it was like other dangerous spots I’ve been in, and I can see what is different about it – what makes me think it’s a blip – not a derailment. I need to know those things. It is like derailment because it was a marked change – a single piece of food that I knew was a problem and had avoided like the plague for some time previously. (Off the top of my head, it was like the first fundraising chocolate, first chocolate éclair, “Favourites” chocolate in one hospital stay, special gift chocolate box chocolate in another, jelly baby on holidays….) It was different in that I didn’t tell myself it was just one, then pause then go back to it. It was different in that I threw out the last of it (in that way it was like the 2 packs of cigarettes I bought after I really had quit smoking). It was different in that I didn’t enjoy it. It was different in that I fought it for longer than most of those things. It was different in that I didn’t think, “Well this isn’t so bad after all….” The two most important things are that I went straight back to eating properly and exercising and that I do have this forum now. I have never had support like this before. I reckon it will work out ok.

As for the warnings – well the ups and downs with the net obscured some of it. Maybe that’s a warning in itself. There were things like eating my daughter’s leftover fish – covered in sugary marinade. Eating “a lot” of steak and not checking how much it was. Getting more and more aware of all the chocolate here (and still not throwing out the bit that was my own.) Eating a fruit muffin (marginally acceptable for me – but eating it when it couldn’t be justified and having another the next day). Pushing the boundaries of my plan on multiple days … that could be good, if I felt fine at the same time but I didn’t. Basically I was finding it harder to eat right, but instead of deliberately making changes to make it easier on myself I was relying more and more on my determination and less and less on my make-it-easy planning. Relying more on instant inventiveness and less on ideas I’d thought through. I need flexibility and determination, but I need them balanced. It's to do with acting like I'm in an emergency. It's good to be able to do it, but it's not sustainable long term. I want to be more controlled, less reactive.

There's still a half question in my mind. That's because I'm not tormented now the way I was before I ate the chocolate. Some people say if you get a craving and can't get rid of it, have some of what you're craving. So why don't I just say that's what I did and that maybe it was an appropriate response.

I don't really know. Partly because of not wanting the remorse (as you said Juliette) or guilt (as you said T2), or confusion, which with my history I can't sidestep. It seems to me that to be the person who could say that is was a good way to deal with my craving, I would have to rebuild my ideas from nothing. I would have to reinterpret everything I ever thought I learnt about how I might do this thing. I wouldn't have enough knowledge left to keep me going right now, because I can't make that idea fit in with what else I know. Also I think that if I had never heard that idea I might not have eaten it at all. The idea that it would be useful to eat it, was definitely playing on my mind. It hasn't gone as far away as I want either. Probably I would not have felt tormented yesterday either, if I had only had enough sleep.

I sure am making up for being off-line for a while.

I am very appreciative of all your support.
Qjay - "that can give us a sobering look at a piece of ourselves we don't like to see" Thank you for your understanding.

T2 - "Embrace guilt as your mental foot soldier in this battle and follow him into the trenches. No one gets out of this adventure without a boo boo, just look at your scar and remind yourself from time to time." I can do that. Thank you.



:):)I am feeling really up right now. I got some low impact aerobics stuff when I got the pilates. One didn’t work. One did work and it was really slow with lots of explaining to make it easy and weights (well tiny soups in my case), to make it more useful. I can almost keep up with it all already. Also I got a Jane Fonda one. The low-impact aerobics is a bit too quick for me, I have to keep reminding myself to be careful not to make a mistake that hurts. I reckon I can still use it though. Also that tape has a stretching session at the end. The whole three things have left me feeling really great! This is a very doable back up to my walking. I don’t even have to take time learning it like I need to do with pilates. I think I will do a bit of pilates too though because I love the idea of getting that much control over my body. It turns out only the family room equipment will play it (the computer isn’t working properly), so that is a bit of a bummer – however if I learn the right kind of steps from the DVD that should mean that I can sometimes do it alone with my own music. I will make myself a CD, but even before that I should be able to do it – if I just learn the steps - so I will try to make practicing that my priority for at home exercise for now.:):)


Breakfast ~ 7:00 1 slice wholemeal toast with minimal margarine and strawberry jam. 2 weetbix, 1/3 C diced peaches. 1C lowfat soy milk. ½ glass tomato juice. 2 C White coffee ~ 40 ml Hilo milk

Lunch 12:30 Chicken and salad sandwich – 2 slices wholemeal bread, ~ ½ lean grilled chicken thigh (with mixed herbs), mixed salad (from last night).
 
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So, to condense all of that down a little bit:
Eating the chocolate triggered you to remember a bunch of feelings from similar previous experiences and suddenly you were able to learn from them, even though you didn't like thinking about past.
a. You have always quit when this happened before.
b. You didn't quit this time.
c. You learned about how your difficulties in daily life can trigger or mask triggers that cause this sort of binge.
d. You learned that you really benefit from the support you receive here.
e. You like the pilates and the stretching exercises you found.

Sound about right? Did I miss anything? :D
See you soon!
 
T2 - "Embrace guilt as your mental foot soldier in this battle and follow him into the trenches. No one gets out of this adventure without a boo boo, just look at your scar and remind yourself from time to time."
Now that is a quote! Smart man that T2 :)
 
Woo hoo! Multiquote is working.
So, to condense all of that down a little bit:
Eating the chocolate triggered you to remember a bunch of feelings from similar previous experiences and suddenly you were able to learn from them, even though you didn't like thinking about past.
a. You have always quit when this happened before.
b. You didn't quit this time.
c. You learned about how your difficulties in daily life can trigger or mask triggers that cause this sort of binge.
d. You learned that you really benefit from the support you receive here.
e. You like the pilates and the stretching exercises you found.

Sound about right? Did I miss anything? :D
See you soon!

That's right. :D

T2 - "Embrace guilt as your mental foot soldier in this battle and follow him into the trenches. No one gets out of this adventure without a boo boo, just look at your scar and remind yourself from time to time."
Now that is a quote! Smart man that T2 :)

Agreed. :D
 
Yeah. OK, Qjay. I just had another look at that post. It does actually keep going rather a long way down the page. :D Now that I've noticed properly I'm rather impressed that you took the trouble to summarize it.

I have edited the beginning. :)

Snack 5:00pm ½ Salada. 7:00 1 carrot, a little celery.

Dinner: 8:30 ~ Big salad ~3 cups. ~ 100 gm tin light tuna with cracked pepper and lemon, 125 gm tin four bean mix, baby spinach, 1 tomato, ~3 black olives, broccoli, sugar snap peas, mushrooms, cucumber, celery, capsicum, carrot. A little balsamic vinegar.

Exercise am 40 min low impact aerobic. 7:30 pm local walk. ½ hr alternating fast and slow.Water: 2500ml Yesterday’s Bedtime: 10:30

On plan:83 days Achieved food target: 68 days Exercised: 67 days All goals: 7 days.
 
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Breakfast ~ 7:00 1 slice wholemeal toast with minimal margarine and strawberry jam. 2 weetbix, 1/3 C diced peaches. 1C lowfat soy milk. ½ glass tomato juice. 2 C White coffee ~ 40 ml Hilo milk

Lunch 12:30 Muffin – 1 wholemeal muffin, ½ grilled chicken thigh, sprinkle of cheese, 1” lean bacon.

Snack 3:30pm ½ Salada. 6:30 pm 1 carrot, a few snowpeas, 1 celery stalk.

Dinner: 8:45 ~ Big salad 2 cups of (3 black olives, broccoli, sugar snap peas, mushrooms, cucumber, celery, capsicum, carrot) + lettuce and tomato and a little balsamic vinegar. 160 gm crimson snapper dusted in flour, sprayed with olive oil and pan fried. 1 piece of fresh wholemeal bread.

Exercise 8:05 pm local walk. ½ hr alternating fast and slow.Water: 2500ml Yesterday’s Bedtime: 11:30

I had a few things in the way of the aerobics I’d planned for today. I really pushed myself for the fast walking though – more than I ever have. It was good to find out that I could.

On plan:84 days Achieved food target: 69 days Exercised: 68 days All goals: 7 days.
 
Looking good Chicky - so eating the chocolate helped you figure out and realize a few things well if it did that then good for eating (ya know what I mean) however I hate diggin up the past and being reminded of it and so on and so on - LOL - but good for you for going there and coming back stronger than ever :):):) Thanx for your continuious support by the way:):):)
 
I can't tell if you were being sarcastic about me or not...
But I hope it helps :D

How on earth do you eat only "3 black olives" or "a few sugarsnap peas"??!
Those things are meant to be eaten in huge quantities! At least, I can't seem to eat them in any other way...
 
No Qjay I wasn't being sarcastic. The first thing I thought about your response was that you were suggesting my post could have been shorter, but in a very friendly way, that matched my own "I sure am making up for being off-line for a while." The second thing I thought was that you had taken some trouble to read it, make sense of it, and put it into your own words. In other words you listened carefully, and added your own slant, which was useful because I hadn't thought about it in exactly the same way.

Later I came back to the thread and intended rereading my post but I had to scroll back for even longer than I'm used to to get to the top, and my interest in reading it slipped below my thought that it took up too much space! Which reminded me of your summary! Only now that I think about it, I see that my edit was open to the "sarcatic" interpretation so I'm going to take it off. Also I feel less anxious about the length now because I've remembered that I changed the format of my posts so they necessarily take up more space for the same amount of ramble. I might break them in two! I have seen people on other forums complain about long posts, even though I don't mind reading them myself.
 
haha, I'd rather you typed it out, I don't think anyone on here could afford the phone bill if we had to talk it out :D :cool:
 
T2 - LOL. For now we still have untimed local calls here. However, I don't think I have enough local friends to cope.

Qjay - I forgot about the peas and olives.

The sugar snap peas are self limiting for me. I eat a ton of salad and so for snacks/lunch which usually include at least one other vege a handful seems fine. I can only fit a certain amount of veges in my fridge!

The olives are a controlled vegetable on the plan I was given years ago. I believe that's because of the oil content so I just limit myself because that's what it says on the plan! I have carefully added a couple of things to my original list. It's so old that it probably could be modified these days to take account of more information about GI. Olives will still have oil in them though. Also, the way the food was grouped didn't actually seem different to the plan a new dietician gave me last October. I got cranky with her after one week so I didn't discuss these things with her. For now the old plan's still working. I wish I knew where the first dietician was but she was attached to a hospital and I don't even know her name.
 
Nope, don't worry about making your posts shorter, just remember to include plenty of paragraph breaks; they help make the information more easily digestible for the rest of us, and for you when you go back over your posts. :D

This is YOUR diary, so do it how you like it! I tend to ramble in my posts, too. One time someone told me to write shorter posts, so I just eliminates spaces and punctuation. ;)
Yeah, I'm like that.

Oh, and I AM sarcastic, but never in a mean way (here :p ), so if it sounds like I am teasing, remember that it is just in the "fun, nice, and encouraging" way. Have fun!
 
great job pushin yourself! keep it up and you'll be run/walking in no time!

Thanks. I just really love the feeling after I have worked out hard/harder. When I was young I hated to do things that made me feel puffed and sweaty but then a (male) friend asked me to play squash with him. I wanted to play but I didn't think I could make it worth his while so I used to put every single ounce I had into it - and finally found out how good it feels afterwards!! :D

i need a dietitian!
Well I left my last one feeling cross and didn't do a thing she said! I did use some of her advice after a while but not until after I had started to put into practice all the things I already knew about what would definitely work for me.

Nope, don't worry about making your posts shorter, just remember to include plenty of paragraph breaks; they help make the information more easily digestible for the rest of us, and for you when you go back over your posts. :D

This is YOUR diary, so do it how you like it! I tend to ramble in my posts, too. One time someone told me to write shorter posts, so I just eliminates spaces and punctuation. ;)
Yeah, I'm like that.

Oh, and I AM sarcastic, but never in a mean way (here :p ), so if it sounds like I am teasing, remember that it is just in the "fun, nice, and encouraging" way. Have fun!

Thanks Qjay. I like your idea about shorter paragraphs. I might not always follow it but it instantly sounds like a good thing to keep in mind.

No one has ever told me to make my posts shorter. I don't write this much elsewhere. I've just seen the complaint.

Yeah. I did notice that you are sometimes sarcastic about yourself when I was just getting to know you and got a bit confused once or twice. It never occurred to me that you would ever be mean to me. :)
 
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Wishing you a very happy almost Friday... Hope it's a great day today.

it's also be Humble day -- which personally i find silly - take a moment tobrag on your accomplishments... :)
 
Breakfast ~ 7:00 1 slice wholemeal toast with minimal margarine and strawberry jam. 2 weetbix, 1/3 C diced peaches. 1C lowfat soy milk. ½ glass tomato juice. 2 C White coffee ~ 40 ml Hilo milk

Lunch 2:00 2 Salada crackers. ~ 100 gm cottage cheese. 1 tomato

Snack 3:30pm ½ Salada.

Dinner: 5:00 Chicken sandwich – 2 slices wholemeal bread. 1 big chicken thigh grilled with herbs. 25 gm hard cheese. Broccoli, ½ red capsicum, 1 carrot, ½ stalk celery.

Snack: 7:00 Cappucino (Normal milk I think - it was made by accident for someone else when I was about to order one anyway.)
10:00 Pepsimax.

I was out tonight because my daughter had a birthday party to go to at a waterslide place next to the beach. I ate early because I took my son as well and stayed to chat with the other mums. We all had fun.

Exercise ~11:30am – 4km walk at Carine 200 m fast, most moderate. (~50 min.) 12:30 low impact aerobics 20 min.Water: 2500ml Yesterday’s Bedtime: 11:15

I did all my exercise in the middle of the day because I thought it was more likely than not that I’d be out later.

It was another good day. They just don't seem to have enough hours. Now it's 11:20 and I'm planning to go to bed but without thinking I have had 2 lots of caffeine, though I don't usually have any during the evening. Right now I am just not sleepy.

Last night I went to bed at a reasonable time but my mind was still racing. I wasn't stressed or anything, but I took a while to fall asleep and woke up frequently.

Oh well. I didn't feel tired today despite my sleep not being ideal. I'll just go and lie down anyway.
 
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