thinking about getting a trainer

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The gym I go to just offered personal Training and I think it would be a good idea for me. I want to be tone not like OMG Mucho Muscles just good tone but still slim and sexy. And Im doing some weight training on my own but I really dont have a clue to what I need to do when I need to do it and how. I think a personal trainer would help me out a little bit just for acouple weeks maybe. Is this a good idea I could always use any help I can get.

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first off, females arent genetically designed to build mucho muscles so don't worry about that part of it... and toning is an aspect of fat loss...

OK with that said...

There are some really good personal trainers out tehre - and there are some that are the absolute suckage (I've had much personal experience with the suckage ones) and unfortunately the ones that suck - are usually the ones working in the health clubs because they can't get a client base on their own to be indepedent (but it could just be me being bitter :D

it's really tough to tell what makes a good personal trainer - it should be one that fits your expectations... and what you're looking for -and will work within your capabilities but also push you to go a little further (but not to the point of frstration which was m y experience) they should be able to listen and adapt to your individual needs and not give you a one size fits all program.

Having one to get you started, isn't a bad idea - as long as they have the capabilities to educate you so that you can progress on your own...

So is it a good idea? yes, but I wouldn't enter in a long term commitment until you're certain that you can work with the trainer AND that they can work with you (one trainer I had, should have told me at the get go that I wasn't the right person for him - it was just a bad fit that led to all sorts of frustration for me... and him taking his frustrations out on me - there must be communication...
 
Yea, that's a good post by Mal.

I'm usually the first to bash trainers.... however, I am one. So it's the pot calling the kettle black in SOME occasions.

There certainly are some good trainers out there.

But as a warning, I have 4 local gyms in my area. I've trained and still do train at all of them. Each of these gyms have a training staff. There is terrible, but there is not one trainer I would feel comfortable sending my wife to. They are just awful. They all train the same way and they give even worse advice when training a woman. It's as if they know absolutely nothing about the sciences of the body or how to get someone from point A to point Z.

If you do hire a trainer, here are a few questions and things to look for. If anyone has anything to add, by all means.....I'm tired and just rambling here:

- Ask about their experience. You can be the smartest goof in the world, but if you don't have any hands on, applicable experience chances are you're pretty much useless.

- Ask about their certification. Certifications this day in age mean next to nothing. However, if they have one of the 'big 3' chances are a lot better that this individual has taken the time to educate him or herself. Certs to look for include those obtained through the NSCA, ACSM, and NASM.

- Once goals are stated, ask how he or she recommends meeting these goals. If things such as toning and a bunch of isolation B.S. exercises are recommended, walk out the door. Just about every trainer I see this day in age has their clients focusing in on their problem areas. Have flabby arms? Let's to a million and one arm exercises. Have a belly roll or two? Let's have you do a billion and three crunches from every angle. If this seems to be the case, again, don't bother.

- Ask what he or she promotes more, machines or free weights. Again, most of the trainers I see today run their clients through the gauntlet of machines. Who knows why? Maybe it's b/c it helps get the client in and out of the gym faster so they can make more money. Maybe it's because the trainer is too lazy to teach proper form with free weights. Worse, maybe the trainer is too incompetent to teach free weight movements. But the bottom line is, free weights are always superior.

- A note to remember is, you can have The Ultimatest Trainerz In Teh Univerze!!1111, but if your nutrition is off, what you're doing with this awesome trainer means shit all about nothing. To reach any physique goal, proper nutrition and exercise programming must be in place.

I could probably go on and on, but you catch my drift I hope......
 
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however, I am one.

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Just about every trainer I see this day in age has their clients focusing in on their problem areas. Have flabby arms? Let's to a million and one arm exercises. Have a belly roll or two? Let's have you do a billion and three crunches from every angle.
This is so true, it is scary. Just yesterday at my gym, I saw three trainers talking to the soccer moms they were working with, and they were all talking spot-reduction.
 
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BOOYEAH... From this point on out, you shall be known as "trainer steve"

The hell I will be!

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This is so true, it is scary. Just yesterday at my gym, I saw three trainers talking to the soccer moms they were working with, and they were all talking spot-reduction.

It's really sad to me.

People don't know any better. A vast majority of the population are ignorant. They aren't involved with communities such as this and it's not something you are going to know otherwise. They simply expect a trainer to be competent. Rightfully so too!

It's sad to me b/c of the money that's wasted. Fitness, thankfully, seems to be on the forefront of more and more minds lately. But with this, there are more and more people turning to personal trainers. And this flow of 'business' simply perpetuates the problem, unfortunately, with how things are set up now.

The personal training profession has the proclivity to attract dummies due to the very limited barriers to entry.

It saddens me more so b/c of the frustrations that these so-called trainers create rather than destroy for the hopeful trainees.

The newest thing that I'm seeing every single trainer promote are squats on the smith machine.... if you can even call these things squats. It's like they've heard that squats are good for you, but they're too lazy to teach real squats. I'd rather they did something else than quarter squats on the smith though.... talk about harmful.
 
It saddens me more so b/c of the frustrations that these so-called trainers create rather than destroy for the hopeful trainees.
Couldn't agree with that statement more.. and the several I had experience with certainly made me want to give up in disgust...

but every industry has the 'experts' that have certifications - every moron out there who's got a myspace page, fancies themself a web design expert - but put them in a situation where tehy have to know something -they sink pretty quickly...

Unfortunately, it's tough to know whether a person you're spending money on to provide a service, even if you have a little bit of knowledge, is qualified to provide that service.. .And when you're to the point that you know whether they are qualified or not, you pretty muc don't need them anymore...

Steve's list of questions and what you should look for in the answer is a great starting point and I wish I had that info when I was working with personal trainers...
 
I'd rather they did something else than quarter squats on the smith though.... talk about harmful.

I never did 'em on the smith, even while injured, cause the only "comfortable" position I could ever find is if I ended up looking like I was sitting in a chair straight backed at the bottom of the squat, with my legs way out in front of what my natural balance point would be.

Has there been any work done on squatting on the smith, steve? I'd be kinda interested in whatever you got.
 
No, there isn't a lot of research in that area. You have to base it on empirical evidence as well as what we know of the body.

Most people who squat on the smith don't go deep. Not going deep not only makes the squat less effective.... but it also increases injury risk.

Cutting the range of motion (ROM) short on the squat sets up a number of contraindications.

- One, it limits the training range of the knee. Knee injuries in sport were most common when the knee was in front of the toes. This is why you hear many people spout off about making sure your knees stay behind the toes while squatting. And this is especially one of the driving mechanisms as to why many people opt for the Smith Machine when squatting rather than free weights. It's very easy to squat with your knee behind the toes on the Smith.

But it's stupid.

We see most people get hurt on the field when the knee is flexed beyond the toes so let's never train the knees in an exercise where the knee flexes beyond the toe.

That makes a lot of sense!

In real life, especially in sport, the knee goes beyond the toes quite often. Since it's an unavoidable reality, the best bet would be to train this specific range of motion, rather than detrain it, which is what most are doing on the Smith.

In a nutshell, the more you train with your knees beyond the toes, the more you 'teach' your body to be safe in this particular position.

- Considering the fact that I've never seen someone go deep 'enough' on the Smith, it leaves me to believe that this type of training has to lead to imbalances, since when you don't squat deep, you don't hit the hip extensors adequately.

- The Smith locks you into a fixed plane of motion.... I've talked about pattern overload on here quite a bit before.

Can you do squats safely on a Smith?

I'm sure.

But most people choose Smith Squats over free weight for a presumably safer exercise.... and I just don't see this to be the case.
 
This is why you hear many people spout off about making sure your knees stay behind the toes while squatting.

I've never heard this. I was always trained that your knees are going to end up slightly in front of your toes. I can't even picture how you CAN squat while keeping your knees behind your toes.
 
I've never heard this. I was always trained that your knees are going to end up slightly in front of your toes. I can't even picture how you CAN squat while keeping your knees behind your toes.

You've been blessed then, lol.

I to this day hear trainers say try your best to keep your knees behind your toes. It's a popular myth, believe it or not.

Crazy, right?
 
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I heard her telling people the other day not to let your knees go in front of your toes... gosh, mal
 
thanx everyone. Well looking at my $$$ sitch at the moment Im opting to just work it out myself. I have actually got into the habbit of talking to people at the gym and here what works for them and what doesn

problem with me is this, I go to the gym 1hr of olyptical, 10-20min walking on the tredmill after to cool down. Then I go out on the floor. I used the fixed weight machines. The leg crunches, arm pulls where you sit and pull the arm things down which pulls the weights up. then I come home and due about 30 reps per arm in 3 diff ways with a free 10lb bell so at the gym

leg crunches: 20 times on 90lbs
arm weights: 45-50lb 20 per arm
I do a couple others I have to learn the names of lol im headed to the gym at 3:00 so I'll look around more.
 
I was gonna ignore this.. .but what the hell it's common knowledge that I'm pretty much a fitness retard..

for 11 months I struggled with learning how to do a squat - my body would not cooperate with me -I had no less than 2 professionals SCREAM at me that their mother's could do this -what was my problem.. why couldn't I do it -it's not that hard.. people who were heavier than I was could knock them out with out a problem...

Everything I read - correction -everything I read in language that was understandable - said knees do not go over the toes... and thighs go parallel to the floor.... easier said that done... for an inept idiot such as myself...

11 months later, i finally got it... or so I thought... but my knees go just about even with my toes - which is probably wrong now becase I'ms tupid enough to believe myths.. - so now i'm back to square one again...
 
Watch the vids in the squat thread.

I know you don't like learning from a video, but it's obvious that the knees should naturally cross the toe-plane.

Trust me, if your knees shouldn't cross the toe-plane, you would have seen me spouting this all over the forum in all those threads I've discussed squats.
 
Cliffs notes (Steve explains it more in depth in the exercise forum, but the big things I always keep in my mind):

Make a big chest (like you want to look like popeye when he's mad)


Ass out

squat

At the bottom, focus everything into driving up through the ceiling while keeping that big chest.

Don't lock your knees
 
that explanation was uttlery useless.. nice try

I really am dumb.

I'm over it - i will do what i can do and that's it
 
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I understand nothing in those videos - they don't help

I'm not asking you to understand anything. I'm saying simply watch the vids. Turn down the damn volume if you'd like. The knees go in front of the toes.

You trying to keep them behind the toes is probably one of the biggest reasons why you've been having such a hard time.

I don't know anyone who can squat deep without breaking the toe-plane without falling over.
 
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